Sway Bar, Sway Bars, Sway Bars
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Sway Bar, Sway Bars, Sway Bars
ok most of this info I did not even get myself, Much thanks go to ULLLOSE. Also I know a lot of this info has been posted before, My intent is to try and put all this info on the same thread, right here in this post for easy comparisson. please feel free to add the info you know so we can make this post even better.
Stock non Sport
Front
? mm OD
? mm wall
? % weaker (then stock sport)
Rear
? mm OD
? mm wa
?% weaker (then stock sport)
Stock Sport
Front
27mm OD
3.40mm wall
0 % stiffer
Rear
16mm OD
2.46mm wall
0 % stiffer
Mazda Speed
Front
27.2mm OD
4mm wall
13% stiffer
stock bushings will work
$
link goes here
Rear
17.3mm OD
2.6mm wall
? % stiffer
stock bushings will work
$
link goes here
Racing Beat
Front
32mm OD
4.76mm wall
118% stiffer
bigger bushings included
$ 185
http://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda4.htm
Rear
19mm OD
3.17mm wall
? % stiffer
bigger bushings included
$
lhttp://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda4.htm
Tanabe
Front
30.4mm OD
5mm wall
86% stiffer
Bigger bushings required
$ 194
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric...sion/Sway_Bars
Rear
20.4mm OD
4.2mm wall
? % stiffer
Bigger bushings required
$ 194
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric...sion/Sway_Bars
Agency Power (note: requires bigger end link, try racing beat or AWRracing)
Front
32mm OD
3mm wall
64% +9% adjustment range 3 way adjustable
bigger bushings required
$ 220
http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/13159
Rear
? mm OD
? mm wall
$ 220
http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/13158
Whiteline
Front
27 mm OD
solid
$
link goes here
Rear
18 mm OD
solid
$
link goes here
H&R
Front
29mm OD
solid
$
link goes here
Rear
20mm
solid
$
link goes here
Eibach
Front
27mm
solid
$
link goes here
Rear
18mm s
solid
$
link goes here
Speed Source you can only buy it from Mazda Comp parts if you are part of the racer support program
Front
32mm OD
6.3mm wall
$
link goes here
Cusco
Front
28 mm
wall
$297
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric...sion/Sway_Bars
Rear
18 mm
wall
$204
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric...sion/Sway_Bars
All OD and wall #s are from manufacture info. % stiffer than stock is approx just using a basic formula and assumes that all swaybar arms are the same length and mounting holes are in the same location, also that all bars are made of the same material.
Stock non Sport
Front
? mm OD
? mm wall
? % weaker (then stock sport)
Rear
? mm OD
? mm wa
?% weaker (then stock sport)
Stock Sport
Front
27mm OD
3.40mm wall
0 % stiffer
Rear
16mm OD
2.46mm wall
0 % stiffer
Mazda Speed
Front
27.2mm OD
4mm wall
13% stiffer
stock bushings will work
$
link goes here
Rear
17.3mm OD
2.6mm wall
? % stiffer
stock bushings will work
$
link goes here
Racing Beat
Front
32mm OD
4.76mm wall
118% stiffer
bigger bushings included
$ 185
http://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda4.htm
Rear
19mm OD
3.17mm wall
? % stiffer
bigger bushings included
$
lhttp://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda4.htm
Tanabe
Front
30.4mm OD
5mm wall
86% stiffer
Bigger bushings required
$ 194
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric...sion/Sway_Bars
Rear
20.4mm OD
4.2mm wall
? % stiffer
Bigger bushings required
$ 194
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric...sion/Sway_Bars
Agency Power (note: requires bigger end link, try racing beat or AWRracing)
Front
32mm OD
3mm wall
64% +9% adjustment range 3 way adjustable
bigger bushings required
$ 220
http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/13159
Rear
? mm OD
? mm wall
$ 220
http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/13158
Whiteline
Front
27 mm OD
solid
$
link goes here
Rear
18 mm OD
solid
$
link goes here
H&R
Front
29mm OD
solid
$
link goes here
Rear
20mm
solid
$
link goes here
Eibach
Front
27mm
solid
$
link goes here
Rear
18mm s
solid
$
link goes here
Speed Source you can only buy it from Mazda Comp parts if you are part of the racer support program
Front
32mm OD
6.3mm wall
$
link goes here
Cusco
Front
28 mm
wall
$297
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric...sion/Sway_Bars
Rear
18 mm
wall
$204
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric...sion/Sway_Bars
All OD and wall #s are from manufacture info. % stiffer than stock is approx just using a basic formula and assumes that all swaybar arms are the same length and mounting holes are in the same location, also that all bars are made of the same material.
Last edited by speeddemon32; 06-14-2006 at 01:13 PM.
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H&R front 29mm solid
rear 20mm solid
Eibach front 27mm solid
rear 18mm solid
Whitelne front 27mm solid adjustable or fixed
rear 18mm solid adjustable or fixed
The last one I know of is made by Speed Source and you can only buy it from Mazda Comp parts if you are part of the racer support program. Front 32mm OD 6.3mm wall speedway style bar that is adjustable. This is the bar that is on the GrandAm cup cars.
H&R front 29mm solid
rear 20mm solid
Eibach front 27mm solid
rear 18mm solid
Whitelne front 27mm solid adjustable or fixed
rear 18mm solid adjustable or fixed
The last one I know of is made by Speed Source and you can only buy it from Mazda Comp parts if you are part of the racer support program. Front 32mm OD 6.3mm wall speedway style bar that is adjustable. This is the bar that is on the GrandAm cup cars.
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you da man, now I just need to do some searching and get some prices and links. I will work on this when I can. (little hard here at work.
thanks again ULLLOSE for all the info!
thanks again ULLLOSE for all the info!
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Originally Posted by ULLLOSE
More:
H&R front 29mm solid
rear 20mm solid
Eibach front 27mm solid
rear 18mm solid
Whitelne front 27mm solid adjustable or fixed
rear 18mm solid adjustable or fixed
The last one I know of is made by Speed Source and you can only buy it from Mazda Comp parts if you are part of the racer support program. Front 32mm OD 6.3mm wall speedway style bar that is adjustable. This is the bar that is on the GrandAm cup cars.
H&R front 29mm solid
rear 20mm solid
Eibach front 27mm solid
rear 18mm solid
Whitelne front 27mm solid adjustable or fixed
rear 18mm solid adjustable or fixed
The last one I know of is made by Speed Source and you can only buy it from Mazda Comp parts if you are part of the racer support program. Front 32mm OD 6.3mm wall speedway style bar that is adjustable. This is the bar that is on the GrandAm cup cars.
is there not some way for torsonial rigidity to be tested? you think a standard would exist.
this subject is a black art / crap shoot....
btw, thanks for the help...
speedeamon... this thread sucks to
beers
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Originally Posted by swoope
speedeamon... this thread sucks to
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he he, somhow I knew I could count on you.
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Originally Posted by swoope
ulllouse,
is there not some way for torsonial rigidity to be tested? you think a standard would exist.
this subject is a black art / crap shoot....
btw, thanks for the help...
speedeamon... this thread sucks to
beers
is there not some way for torsonial rigidity to be tested? you think a standard would exist.
this subject is a black art / crap shoot....
btw, thanks for the help...
speedeamon... this thread sucks to
beers
#8
Zoom-Freakin'-Zoom
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Originally Posted by staticlag
There is a standard test, but it damages the sample material.
you would think something would exist.... so now it is just vodoo...... i find it odd in this world of hi tech not a real way to accuratly compare sways...
what are you going to do....
beers
#9
The Professor
I dunno, I have RB sways and Greddy rear strut tower bar, and I have no wheelhop on burnout, greatly reduced body roll in corners the car feels more solid when I go over uneven pavement.
Sways are highly recommended.
Can be very tricky to install though, probably the hardest mod I have done thusfar. Hex bolts, moving bolts, extremely tight spots, and high torque ratings.
Sways are highly recommended.
Can be very tricky to install though, probably the hardest mod I have done thusfar. Hex bolts, moving bolts, extremely tight spots, and high torque ratings.
#10
The Professor
Originally Posted by staticlag
I dunno, I have RB sways and Greddy rear strut tower bar, and I have no wheelhop on burnout, greatly reduced body roll in corners the car feels more solid when I go over uneven pavement.
Sways are highly recommended.
Can be very tricky to install though, probably the hardest mod I have done thusfar. Hex bolts, moving bolts, extremely tight spots, and high torque ratings.
Sways are highly recommended.
Can be very tricky to install though, probably the hardest mod I have done thusfar. Hex bolts, moving bolts, extremely tight spots, and high torque ratings.
If your on a budget I would just get the rear strut tower bar.
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yeah I know.... jsut have not had the time....
one of these days I was planning on sitting down and moving forward with all of these threads.
some of the threads are pretyt complete, some are needing some attention.
one of these days I was planning on sitting down and moving forward with all of these threads.
some of the threads are pretyt complete, some are needing some attention.
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my question is. would a sway bar help drifting or hurt it. i have heard different remarks. i have heard that because of the stiffness it helps pull the car around andnot lag behind. i have also heard that because of the stiffness it makes the car grip more and not want to slide.
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I have never setup a drift car, but I would asume you would want a weak (stock) front, and a stiff rear.... can anyone confirm?
as for mountain/daily, RB work good. some people say they are a little much for the track, but fine for spireted daily drivers.
as for mountain/daily, RB work good. some people say they are a little much for the track, but fine for spireted daily drivers.
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damn man, what do you want from me?
he he, that would be very hard as it is not advertised. I would assume they would all be withing a pound or so of each other.
he he, that would be very hard as it is not advertised. I would assume they would all be withing a pound or so of each other.
#22
oh nah i dont mean you find everything, just perhaps if owners feel like weighing their bars they can post up results here. of course solid will be heavier than hollow bars but by how much? just a thought
#23
Originally Posted by silverwolf
my question is. would a sway bar help drifting or hurt it. i have heard different remarks. i have heard that because of the stiffness it helps pull the car around andnot lag behind. i have also heard that because of the stiffness it makes the car grip more and not want to slide.
i have vogtland springs which are much stiffer then mazdaspeed frem experience and it was pretty easy to drift. it was just the right amount of usable bodyroll for my style. after i got the tanabe sways on, the first thing i did was spinout when i tried to slide. the usual weight transitions werent there anymore and there was slightly less feedback from the tires and the corner weights. the weight transfers are also MUCH faster. trying to countersteer to "catch" the car is much harder now cause i have to be really fast. im used to it now but im no where near as comfortable as i used to be.
if your gonna get sways, stay away from RB. the front is WAY too stiff on a car that has a soft rear.
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Originally Posted by gh0st
if your gonna get sways, stay away from RB. the front is WAY too stiff on a car that has a soft rear.
LOL
I have the RB front bar with endlink holes drilled 3/4" forward of the RB holes to make it even stiffer coupled with the softer OE auto trans rear bar, along with 600# front and 325# coilover springs and the car has so much oversteer it's almost impossible to drive without spinning
I just ordered the stiffer Speedsource adjustable blade-arm front bar from Mazda Motorsports; 1.25" OD 0.25" wall, $518. I'll post some pics so you can see what a real racing swaybar looks like.
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he he.... yes please post pics. I would love to see it.
Team, you have a very nice STU car!
Team, you have a very nice STU car!