Sway Bar, Sway Bars, Sway Bars
ok most of this info I did not even get myself, Much thanks go to ULLLOSE. Also I know a lot of this info has been posted before, My intent is to try and put all this info on the same thread, right here in this post for easy comparisson. please feel free to add the info you know so we can make this post even better.
Stock non Sport Front ? mm OD ? mm wall ? % weaker (then stock sport) Rear ? mm OD ? mm wa ?% weaker (then stock sport) Stock Sport Front 27mm OD 3.40mm wall 0 % stiffer Rear 16mm OD 2.46mm wall 0 % stiffer Mazda Speed Front 27.2mm OD 4mm wall 13% stiffer stock bushings will work $ link goes here Rear 17.3mm OD 2.6mm wall ? % stiffer stock bushings will work $ link goes here Racing Beat Front 32mm OD 4.76mm wall 118% stiffer bigger bushings included $ 185 http://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda4.htm Rear 19mm OD 3.17mm wall ? % stiffer bigger bushings included $ lhttp://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda4.htm Tanabe Front 30.4mm OD 5mm wall 86% stiffer Bigger bushings required $ 194 http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric...sion/Sway_Bars Rear 20.4mm OD 4.2mm wall ? % stiffer Bigger bushings required $ 194 http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric...sion/Sway_Bars Agency Power (note: requires bigger end link, try racing beat or AWRracing) Front 32mm OD 3mm wall 64% +9% adjustment range 3 way adjustable bigger bushings required $ 220 http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/13159 Rear ? mm OD ? mm wall $ 220 http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/13158 Whiteline Front 27 mm OD solid $ link goes here Rear 18 mm OD solid $ link goes here H&R Front 29mm OD solid $ link goes here Rear 20mm solid $ link goes here Eibach Front 27mm solid $ link goes here Rear 18mm s solid $ link goes here Speed Source you can only buy it from Mazda Comp parts if you are part of the racer support program Front 32mm OD 6.3mm wall $ link goes here Cusco Front 28 mm wall $297 http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric...sion/Sway_Bars Rear 18 mm wall $204 http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric...sion/Sway_Bars All OD and wall #s are from manufacture info. % stiffer than stock is approx just using a basic formula and assumes that all swaybar arms are the same length and mounting holes are in the same location, also that all bars are made of the same material. |
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H&R front 29mm solid rear 20mm solid Eibach front 27mm solid rear 18mm solid Whitelne front 27mm solid adjustable or fixed rear 18mm solid adjustable or fixed The last one I know of is made by Speed Source and you can only buy it from Mazda Comp parts if you are part of the racer support program. Front 32mm OD 6.3mm wall speedway style bar that is adjustable. This is the bar that is on the GrandAm cup cars. |
you da man, now I just need to do some searching and get some prices and links. I will work on this when I can. (little hard here at work.
thanks again ULLLOSE for all the info! |
so... another thread that should be in the suspension section....
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Originally Posted by ULLLOSE
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H&R front 29mm solid rear 20mm solid Eibach front 27mm solid rear 18mm solid Whitelne front 27mm solid adjustable or fixed rear 18mm solid adjustable or fixed The last one I know of is made by Speed Source and you can only buy it from Mazda Comp parts if you are part of the racer support program. Front 32mm OD 6.3mm wall speedway style bar that is adjustable. This is the bar that is on the GrandAm cup cars. is there not some way for torsonial rigidity to be tested? you think a standard would exist. this subject is a black art / crap shoot.... btw, thanks for the help... speedeamon... this thread sucks to :) beers :beer: |
Originally Posted by swoope
speedeamon... this thread sucks to :) beers :beer: he he, somhow I knew I could count on you. :hahano: :) :kiss: |
Originally Posted by swoope
ulllouse,
is there not some way for torsonial rigidity to be tested? you think a standard would exist. this subject is a black art / crap shoot.... btw, thanks for the help... speedeamon... this thread sucks to :) beers :beer: |
Originally Posted by staticlag
There is a standard test, but it damages the sample material.
you would think something would exist.... so now it is just vodoo...... i find it odd in this world of hi tech not a real way to accuratly compare sways... what are you going to do.... beers :beer: |
I dunno, I have RB sways and Greddy rear strut tower bar, and I have no wheelhop on burnout, greatly reduced body roll in corners the car feels more solid when I go over uneven pavement.
Sways are highly recommended. Can be very tricky to install though, probably the hardest mod I have done thusfar. Hex bolts, moving bolts, extremely tight spots, and high torque ratings. |
Originally Posted by staticlag
I dunno, I have RB sways and Greddy rear strut tower bar, and I have no wheelhop on burnout, greatly reduced body roll in corners the car feels more solid when I go over uneven pavement.
Sways are highly recommended. Can be very tricky to install though, probably the hardest mod I have done thusfar. Hex bolts, moving bolts, extremely tight spots, and high torque ratings. If your on a budget I would just get the rear strut tower bar. |
the whiteline front is 27mm
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thanks! it has been added.
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Man this thread needs some prices.
I was hoping all the work was already done. I'll start looking. - Cesar - |
yeah I know.... jsut have not had the time....
one of these days I was planning on sitting down and moving forward with all of these threads. some of the threads are pretyt complete, some are needing some attention. ;) |
Cusco added
also added SOME prices and links, will add more soon. |
my question is. would a sway bar help drifting or hurt it. i have heard different remarks. i have heard that because of the stiffness it helps pull the car around andnot lag behind. i have also heard that because of the stiffness it makes the car grip more and not want to slide.
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what is the best suspension setup for mountain/daily driving?
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I have never setup a drift car, but I would asume you would want a weak (stock) front, and a stiff rear.... can anyone confirm?
as for mountain/daily, RB work good. some people say they are a little much for the track, but fine for spireted daily drivers. |
^^thanks!
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perhaps weight could be added to these specs as well? :D
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damn man, what do you want from me? :) :)
he he, that would be very hard as it is not advertised. I would assume they would all be withing a pound or so of each other. |
oh nah i dont mean you find everything, just perhaps if owners feel like weighing their bars they can post up results here. of course solid will be heavier than hollow bars but by how much? just a thought
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Originally Posted by silverwolf
my question is. would a sway bar help drifting or hurt it. i have heard different remarks. i have heard that because of the stiffness it helps pull the car around andnot lag behind. i have also heard that because of the stiffness it makes the car grip more and not want to slide.
i have vogtland springs which are much stiffer then mazdaspeed frem experience and it was pretty easy to drift. it was just the right amount of usable bodyroll for my style. after i got the tanabe sways on, the first thing i did was spinout when i tried to slide. the usual weight transitions werent there anymore and there was slightly less feedback from the tires and the corner weights. the weight transfers are also MUCH faster. trying to countersteer to "catch" the car is much harder now cause i have to be really fast. im used to it now but im no where near as comfortable as i used to be. if your gonna get sways, stay away from RB. the front is WAY too stiff on a car that has a soft rear. |
Originally Posted by gh0st
if your gonna get sways, stay away from RB. the front is WAY too stiff on a car that has a soft rear. LOL :hahano: I have the RB front bar with endlink holes drilled 3/4" forward of the RB holes to make it even stiffer coupled with the softer OE auto trans rear bar, along with 600# front and 325# coilover springs and the car has so much oversteer it's almost impossible to drive without spinning :mad: I just ordered the stiffer Speedsource adjustable blade-arm front bar from Mazda Motorsports; 1.25" OD 0.25" wall, $518. I'll post some pics so you can see what a real racing swaybar looks like. :) |
he he.... yes please post pics. I would love to see it. :)
Team, you have a very nice STU car! |
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