look,,,Mazda knows very well what is needed to pass smog...remember the FD....I just don't think it was a smart move to lie after they knew that it was putting out less power... :(

That still doesn't answer my question. Are GM liars too because they also didn't rate the LS1 with the power it actually puts out? It doesn't matter if it's higher or lower. If it's not the same, it's not the same.

I'm tired and bored... but today would be the perfect day to install a new intake :/ HURRY UP RACINGBEAT!!! I WANNA PICK UP MY INTAKE!!!! :D

pics

ps you dont need to put the k&n sticker on there- and i might take it off

Of course.........but I could care less about what GM does and mistakes do happen.....I just know what a 250hp car feels like and the 8 feels like a 210hp car so shouldn't mazda or mazda North america figure this out? :confused:

I have a friend named Google :D

That wasn't quite the answer I was looking for.

Are the engine cover gromments molded onto the box? I have the MS Strut bar, and have not used my cover for awhile now... Or do they bolt on to the side?

:o I see it now, they are bolted on. That is cool :cool:

I think allan needs to give me his rx8. :)

Haha, there's a problem with that, I'm only 20 ;)

I'm old enough that I could be your Father :eek:

I decide to actually read your post and what do I find? You making ass stupid assumptions again and acting like you're the only intelligent person in the world *sigh*

It's also funny coming from someone who was formerly WARNED on rx7club for doing shit like this. Rotarygod stole images from a very established, well known and well respected engine builder's website and used them as examples of "how not to port" on rx7club. It was very blatent who he was talking about and even in a former thread, before it was deleted/cleaned up, he attacked the person by naming them and saying how bad of a job this is. Not only is this person very well known and respected in the rotary community but he was also an advertiser of rx7club. Now I realize I'm actually doing something similar right now to Racing Beat, but the difference is rotarygod did this in multiple threads, stole images from an owner, badmouthed him, and gave no real fact other than his "beliefs."

Anyways, what makes you so sure I'm uneducated or that you are in fact "educated" sir? Is it because I'm younger than you? Because you act like you have the mentality that "older makes you wiser." And who said I was cheap? Yes lots of 2nd gen owners are cheap and poor, but do you even have any idea how much I've spent on my 2nd gen? Or how much time and effort (and money) I've put into it? No, you're just making an assumption because I don't think the expensive RB crap is worth it. That doesn't have much to do with price except for the fact I think the ingenuity, gains, and price do not all coincide.

You can also take your misconceptions and stereotyping and shove them.

I was talking about all their exhausts, not just the rx8 (notice how I said 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gen!!). The rx8 exhaust is comparable to other ones, yes, but like I said somewhere in here almost all parts for the rx8 are way overpriced right now. RB's exhaust systems for the rx7's are much more than others, or custom, that's what I was trying to get across.

Oh :|

Well age is only a number, your state of mind and personal perception are what really matter. I haven't considered myself a "kid" since I was about 13 or 14 years old.

Rotarygod and dDuB skip the personal battle please and let this thread be about the intake andf not whatever personal beefs you have.

For those that have installed this, can it be done with simple tools? What is the extent to which I have to take my car apart?

I have basic tools, but would have to do this in my driveway. Does the bumper have to come off?

I think the bumper would have to come off, but this is only speculation. The VFAD and ducting are ditched with this system and I think it'd be hard to get those out with the bumper in place. Again this is just a guess, though.

Yes and yes. Comes with great instructions too, and about all you need is a couple of screwdrivers and a 10mm socket.

so what sort of places would be able to install this intake? Would mazda dealerships install this intake without asking too many questions? (i'm guessing they wouldnt cover your intake under warranty anymore)

you can easily do it yourself. i did. just be careful when takign the bumper off so you dont scratch it.

As expected, the phone has been ringing off the hook all day with questions about this intake!

Sorry for the delay in getting the information up on the site until the end of the day, but Jim Mederer was still undertaking some last minute testing on this unit until about 3 pm!

People have been asking about the emissions statement at the bottom of the page, we place that there for ALL the non-emission exempt parts that we offer. This doesn’t mean that we won’t attempt to obtain a CARB exemption; the rather lengthy and involved process on this part just hasn’t been started yet. Also, because the process is so involved, I prefer to undergo the testing only once if possible. In many cases, waiting a year or two in an attempt to group model years together will eliminate the need to retest a product. For example, if I submitted the application now, it would be for the 2004-2005 model year. Depending on the changes that Mazda makes to the later model years, it is possible that we might need to retest for the 2006, 2007 or later models. If we just wait until 2007, then we only need to under the test once, and we will have 2004-2007 covered. Got it? Since we have a few years before a new car must undergo its first CA required smog test, we have some breathing room with regards to this exemption.

I am currently working on much more information regarding this intake system and will be placing it up on the site in the next few days.

Jim Langer
Racing Beat, Inc.

Installing the intake is easy, while your installing the intake, i would install oil cooler and A/C condenser screens since you'll have the bumper off, be it the Racing Beat ones or DIY screens.

Don't ask how I know how important those screens are.

and clear corners- i was kicking myself for not having them when putting the bumper back on.

oh great ANOTHER must have part!
I have to admit it's the only one I have seen that is better than my homemade version. One thing good about mine is that I will already have the cold air pipe available.
question: does the filter have to be replaced or is it lifetime?
Are they delivering yet?
I really like the company and people there. Done nothing but good by me and they are honest.
rare quality now a days.
olddragger

I'm not sure what your point is here. You're complaining that RG used a "respected" vendor's own images to prove that they were doing something wrong? The bastard! I notice you didn't address the technical merits of the argument at all. Oh wait, they were an advertiser. Never mind I get it. :rolleyes:

Who said he was doing ANYTHING wrong? You're just taking rotarygod's word for it. There are plenty of other rotary engine builders and porters out there that have said the exact same port is fine. Only person I've ever seen complain about it is him.

Charlie, I will respect your wishes and will go no further with this fallacy of a conversation with ignorance. But to clear up my accusation of being a "crook" I must address one thing in public to clear up the lies that have been told about me above. I will leave it at this and discuss this no more here.

Actually I never stole any images and posted them to the RX-7 forum as they were not copy protected nor were there any statements on that website anywhere that said images couldn't be used. Therefore they could. His website still doesn't have any such statements. This is a highly different story being "made up" to make me look bad by one person. Those pictures had actually been posted on the forum before with no comments made about them. I was also never warned on the forum by any moderators. I'll probably be banned right now by "name withheld (see above)" just out of spite but I'll be back on there under another name anyways. I've done that porting style years ago and found it not to work unless many other things were done first. These are not the claims made by this "company".

Secondly, it's the wrong way to do things that I point out to people. I never mentioned his or his one man "company" name anywhere. He jumped in and admitted it himself! Not my doing. If he had stayed out of it, no one would have known. The only person who knew was a friend of his who recognized his work. Just because someone is respected doesn't mean they are good. Skill with a die grinder doesn't make you skilled at airflow. What makes him so respected? If I give myself some made up "company" name, make a website for myself with this newly created company name, and pay a few bucks for advertising on some internet based forum, will that make me respected in the eyes of a consumer? That's apparently the standard. How does the name "Rotary Insurrection" sound? It could work! So what that he advertises on a forum? If a person is willing to pay for it, the forum really doesn't care who it is as long as it's relevant to the vehicle. It's money. That's business. Newspapers will let anyone advertise too.

FWIW: A member of the RX-7 forum dyno'd his car that just had this new "wrong way to do it" port job. I won't mention his name either but he knows that other things should have been done first and has no issues with me. He dyno'd at 167 rwhp. Constrast that to another member who modded his car properly and on a completely stock engine did 187 rwhp with a flatter powerband and more average power. I rest my case. Like I said in my last post, it's only the dishonest, nontesting people that don't like me! They never fail to expose themselves. Why am I hated for telling the truth?

OK Charlie, I'm done now.

Back to the topic at hand, this intake rocks! Buy it. The sound is awesome and so is the quality.

ya i didn't think so...
I was just curious of what it meant, so I looked it up.

It is all about air flow, and it will start with proper air intake into the Renesis, and continue from there through proper intake manifolding, porting, header design, midpipe, and catback designs...

May the flow be with you :cool:

I wonder how the stock intake would work with no filter. I mean, there are 2 screens in there and I've seen plenty of high powered (still street driven) turbo guys use screens only and no filter, so I wonder how that would work/perform. I also wonder what kind of gain that'd provide. Not that I'm going to do it, just curious.

What about bugs getting sucked in there.. I remember that I never opened my mouth while hitting redline on my 750 for fear of bugs

It has 2 screens that bugs wouldn't be able to fit through =)

Just open up the box once a week and clean the bugs, if any, off the screen.

OK, then what about dirt and pollen crap, that will screw with your oil won't it..

Probably, but this is why I asked. I've seen it done time and time again on high powered (still street driven) turbo or heavily ported cars (just using screens). Always wondered how safe or unsafe it was. I figure if it is safe, cheap/easy intake upgrade until I finish building/testing mine.

I want more info...Com'on..
Show me the MONEY!!!! :D
Looks something special..Not like all the other intake systems...
Maybe good impressions from the buyers and a good dyno sheet make me buy that unit...

Guess what?

It's 1:30 PM and I finnished my installation.

Tools needed:

Short Phillips screw driver
10 mm box end wrench
10 mm socket and wratchet
Small srew driver....... Jewlers
Needle nose plyiers
Flashlight
Other options: Oil and Radiator screens, Clear corners

if you compare the RB intake to the re-amemiya one they are almost identical.
http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/new_part...ntake_box.html

they both use a cone style filter and drop the VFAD stuff in front. the air-box volumes are similar but 100-500ml more here or there isn't that noticeable, but might make a difference.
it looks like they both needed to increase the length of the intake between the filter and the throttle-body to get the tuning right. maybe this is a result of loosing the extra intake length of the VFAD duct.

one obvious difference is the re-amemiya intake has a fresh-air duct replacing the VFAD where as the RB design seems to draw on air behind the bumper like the std intake. Wildcard's home intake mod seems to show the std intake location isn't the best and a fresh air duct can lower intake temps by around 7deg C on a hot day. this makes me wonder why RB didn't include a fresh air duct?

Well, first thing I noticed was a rapid drop in the RPM after a slight warm up.
2nd thing I noticed was the sound. Then there was the idle. The RB intake did something.
My car has always idled at 1050. Now it's 950.

I looked at my shifter. Oh my GOD! I've been blessed. NO shaking.

I back her out of the garage. Take off slowly. Ah... what the Hell, I can always accelerate fast and hard later. Let's she what she can do. Drive slowly to the next stop sign. (after all isn't this what you really want to see? How she performs under normal driving. Yes that might be better. That way my opinon won't be skewed by the butt dyno) I continue to drive slow shifting well under 4 grand.

I still have the M flash.

She feels much smoother. I accelerate and she feels much quicker on the low end. Stop light. Freeway here. I push her on the ramp put her into sixth....

What's this? ? ? It's smoother. I can acelerate in sixth and it feels like fifth.

Ok, let's try this again. Yup, she's got power in sixth, not to mention the low end torque.

I go down the chicanes by the golf course. All I feel is power in the higher gears at slow speed.

Let's try this thing one more time around the block.

I push down the straight... beep! Pusher again in the next gear. Stop light.

On ramp, here we go Zoom.. Zoom.

Man does she pull hard... Off ramp.. Hello officer. How are you?

I turn around and go back the way I came. On ramp, off ramp.

She's nice. Can't wait to check the gas milage. Can't wait to push her at redline in all gears and make that noise. Ah... I got the track event coming up in 2 weeks. How sweet life is.

Time to go to bed.

Do you think she'll be the same tommorrow?

There's only one problem..........

I have to learn how to shift faster as she hits redline much sooner.

Well, I wasn't taking anyone's word for anything...you just didn't address whether there was technical merit to his arguments or not, and seemed most put out that he dared to criticize a paying vendor on your forum.

jds

yeah razz:) i was telling someone yesterday- there is a stretch near my house that i know i can usually get to 60mph by a certain point when i have to let off because of a school zone comign up. well when i was out for a drive 2 days ago i got to 68mph at that point. maybe i was pushing harder because i was testing the intake but i was real suprised as i lifted and looked at the speedo:)

Hey Zoom, is the aluminum powder coated blue? I wonder if they will do other colors one day...

damn you all..i knew i shouldn't of read this post...now i really really want on...and woudln't you know it i didnt 'win the mega millions, so i'm still poor:( haha oh well......must resiste temptation...must save money fo rawsome intake.

Better performance and possibly better fuel economy because of the lower idle. You can't beat that!

RotaryGod, will I be able to install this for my auto 8? How bad is this going to affect the car. I dont care if I dont get any hp gain I just want to have it!!!

Rotarenvy, what's the price on the fresh intake from Re-Amemiya...

^ i found it for $1024 USD :( ouch that hurst a lot

Damn, that is high. I guess it's REVI then..