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03-19-2005, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Fanman
The S2000 is a quite a bit faster than the Mustang GT stock for stock. The RSX Type S is a bit slower. I have seen simple intake/header/exhaust (& H/X pipe install) give a Mustang GT 25-30 hp gains. Not sure what intake you were using. I had a Mustang GT before & when I swapped out the intake, throttle body & exhaust I got quite a bit more power. On the RSX Type S there is a bit more room to play with the car. They have the Hondata ECU flash that has given up to 20 hp, but ingeneral you get a Canzoomer piggyback system for our car as well & you can get anywhere from 15 to 25 whp after you tune it.
03-19-2005, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 124Spider
I can't speak to the RSX, but the S2000 is so well done out of the factory that significant power gains cost real money. People report little or no gains from I/H/E mods, even very expensive ones (converting the stock dual exhaust to a more efficient single exhaust does seem to help a bit, but not a lot). Turbos and superchargers aren't hugely expensive, but $5 or $6 thousand is still a lot of money.
If you want a stock car you can really do something with, get a Toyota Celica All-Trac or MR2 Turbo. Also, some of the less-developed Hondas apparently can be modded up somewhat effectively, but, as I understand it, few things are as easy as carefully turning up the boost (and making appropriate adjustments elsewhere) on the Toyota turbos using the 3S-GTE engine.
If you want a stock car you can really do something with, get a Toyota Celica All-Trac or MR2 Turbo. Also, some of the less-developed Hondas apparently can be modded up somewhat effectively, but, as I understand it, few things are as easy as carefully turning up the boost (and making appropriate adjustments elsewhere) on the Toyota turbos using the 3S-GTE engine.
03-19-2005, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by lil fjd 915
oh i see i get it, when i had my mustang GT i had 0 hp/tq gain from a intake lol i tried 2 intakes. but when i raced my friends rsx S and a s2k both with intakes they both pulled on me pretty hard is this cuz of driving or cuz those cars are really faster than our cars?
im in chicago but movin to houston real soon
im in chicago but movin to houston real soon
03-19-2005, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by lil fjd 915
i own a brand new rx8 GT
03-19-2005, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by lil fjd 915
i wasnt talking about the mustang racing these 2 cars i was talking about the rx8 racing the rsx s and the s2k.......
03-19-2005, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Fanman
About the same thing. The S2000 is faster, & you should be faster than an RSX Type S stock for stock.
03-19-2005, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 124Spider
Congrats! Enjoy it and don't worry about mods for a while. In fact, it's quite a powerful car, unless you're spoiled by a big V-8 (in which case you'll still enjoy the much better handling). The car hasn't been around long enough for a large number of performance mods to be around yet, but, as previously said, short of a turbo or a supercharger, there's not that much you can do for it.
03-19-2005, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lil fjd 915
thanks, hey be honest, since you own both, which do you like better your s2k or rx8?and why.
Stock for Stock, the S2000 is more powerful (I took my S2000 to a local RX-8 dyno day; all but one of the RX-8s dyno'd at about 185RWHP, uncorrected; my car did 219 (210 corrected); that's a big difference); is a convertible, has more torque, is a convertible, has more low-end torque, is a convertible; corners significantly better; I love the sound of the engine, it gets pretty good gas mileage (I've averaged about 23mpg in 17,000 miles) and, in case I was not clear, I love convertibles, and roadsters most of all. And there's absolutely nothing like blasting down the front straight, top down, at 130mph, with that fabulous engine screaming (yeah, I know that having the top down really increases the drag at speed, but, did I mention, I really like convertibles :p ).
Now, all that said, the S2000 is less comfortable generally (and has far fewer creature comforts like fanny warmers, good stereo, navigation system); has a much lower cargo capacity; can only hold two people; is very noisy; has a very stiff ride, which will beat you up on a long drive over bad pavement, and my wife really doesn't like being in the S2000, or driving it (and I really like being with my wife). The RX-8 is her daily driver; the S2000's mine.
So, it's a mixed bag, and very much a personal choice. Both have their strengths, and I'm pretty fortunate to have both.
03-19-2005, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 124Spider
The short answer is the S2000, and not even close. But there's a very large asterisk I'll get to.
Stock for Stock, the S2000 is more powerful (I took my S2000 to a local RX-8 dyno day; all but one of the RX-8s dyno'd at about 185RWHP, uncorrected; my car did 219 (210 corrected); that's a big difference); is a convertible, has more torque, is a convertible, has more low-end torque, is a convertible; corners significantly better; I love the sound of the engine, it gets pretty good gas mileage (I've averaged about 23mpg in 17,000 miles) and, in case I was not clear, I love convertibles, and roadsters most of all. And there's absolutely nothing like blasting down the front straight, top down, at 130mph, with that fabulous engine screaming (yeah, I know that having the top down really increases the drag at speed, but, did I mention, I really like convertibles :p ).
Now, all that said, the S2000 is less comfortable generally (and has far fewer creature comforts like fanny warmers, good stereo, navigation system); has a much lower cargo capacity; can only hold two people; is very noisy; has a very stiff ride, which will beat you up on a long drive over bad pavement, and my wife really doesn't like being in the S2000, or driving it (and I really like being with my wife). The RX-8 is her daily driver; the S2000's mine.
So, it's a mixed bag, and very much a personal choice. Both have their strengths, and I'm pretty fortunate to have both.
Stock for Stock, the S2000 is more powerful (I took my S2000 to a local RX-8 dyno day; all but one of the RX-8s dyno'd at about 185RWHP, uncorrected; my car did 219 (210 corrected); that's a big difference); is a convertible, has more torque, is a convertible, has more low-end torque, is a convertible; corners significantly better; I love the sound of the engine, it gets pretty good gas mileage (I've averaged about 23mpg in 17,000 miles) and, in case I was not clear, I love convertibles, and roadsters most of all. And there's absolutely nothing like blasting down the front straight, top down, at 130mph, with that fabulous engine screaming (yeah, I know that having the top down really increases the drag at speed, but, did I mention, I really like convertibles :p ).
Now, all that said, the S2000 is less comfortable generally (and has far fewer creature comforts like fanny warmers, good stereo, navigation system); has a much lower cargo capacity; can only hold two people; is very noisy; has a very stiff ride, which will beat you up on a long drive over bad pavement, and my wife really doesn't like being in the S2000, or driving it (and I really like being with my wife). The RX-8 is her daily driver; the S2000's mine.
So, it's a mixed bag, and very much a personal choice. Both have their strengths, and I'm pretty fortunate to have both.
03-19-2005, 11:31 PM
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you'll get over straight line performance real fast. in the end it really doesn't matter unless you're racing constantly, which you prolly shouldn't be doing anyway. seriously, the rear seats are a really big bonus on the rx-8. s2k is faster for sure though.
03-20-2005, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Rotary Soul
you'll get over straight line performance real fast. in the end it really doesn't matter unless you're racing constantly, which you prolly shouldn't be doing anyway. seriously, the rear seats are a really big bonus on the rx-8. s2k is faster for sure though.
03-20-2005, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by lil fjd 915
he has an intake i pull on em from a dig but he catches up lol
And the simple answer is the only 2 proven, non- FI products that get you any hp is Canzoomer ECU Piggy back unit (& tune it) anywhere from 12 to 25 hp, & midpipe (Catalytic & resonator removal) good for about 8 hp.
03-20-2005, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by lil fjd 915
anyone know? good rpm to shift for our cars?
03-20-2005, 02:10 PM
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yea i shift around 3k if i wanna juss cruise/ save gas cuz gas on this car is a b!tch. but when i raced the rsx S with the intake i shifted around 9k and he left me! wtf but the car wasnt broken in then that might be the prob so i started to take it easy till i reach 600 miles, and im almost there then ill schedual a rematch just for the hell of it then take em on the twisties 
03-20-2005, 03:31 PM
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hello to all, i have owned a Black 8 for quite some time now, but i have never had enough money to do any mods to my car. Now I am debating on what intake system to get. This is where i need yur opinions. I am deciding between the HKS suction kit or the AEM intake kit. However if there is any other kits out there better than these please let me know as well. Either way, which one of these kits would i see the most benefits from?
03-20-2005, 03:59 PM
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I would just dropin a high flow filter like Mazdaspeed, Green, K&N, or AFE, then wait for the next issue of RXTuner to read about PoLak's install and dyno of the new Racing Beat REVi Intake. You will see at most 5 HP from the RB. The dropin's will get you 2 HP. The HKS is really a matter of sound preference, meaning it is audible, and it is over priced IMO.
03-20-2005, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by lil fjd 915
can i use the canzoomer my self or do i have to get a pro to do it?
03-20-2005, 08:04 PM
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www.canzoomer.com. Is there anything better for a normally aspirated RX8...not really (midpipe will give you about 8 hp for $200-$300 but it will also make your car louder & you won't be smog legal). If you are ready then go FI (turbo or nitrous).