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avanti_racing08 07-08-2009 06:21 PM

My lastest Dyno run
 
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For those who have woundered about my sig and if it was true or not her it is. Did both my dyno runs at swift motor sports, the green is the base line i did when i first bought the car. it had only a brola cat back on it nothing els. When i dynoed it the second time i had AEM CAI, super cat high flow cat added on sence then. Once i install the coils i will be dynoing again jut to see where i stand.

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Brettus 07-08-2009 06:28 PM

Either you are running your 8 on kryptonite or that dyno is wack .

NgoRX8 07-08-2009 06:31 PM

... intake+exhaust = 212 wheel torque?

umm... does not sound right.

even for the 168 it shows on the chart...

alz0rz 07-08-2009 06:31 PM

seriously, absolute BS.

BRODA 07-08-2009 06:42 PM

That looks more like 168 lb-ft :dunno:

StealthTL 07-08-2009 06:43 PM

Get those coils in and you'll be in orbit!

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avanti_racing08 07-08-2009 06:45 PM

ya i just noticed that my self about the sig thanks for the catch

And BS????????

Brettus 07-08-2009 06:48 PM

avanti - don't take it the wrong way . Most of us in this thread know what the renesis is capable of and your dyno is so far outside of the norm that it just can't be correct .
check out the dyno thread for some other examples and you will see what i'm on about ..

J8635621 07-08-2009 06:50 PM

Maybe flywheel hp? Why did you only go to 8300 rpm?

RotaryMachineRx 07-08-2009 06:55 PM

I dont see 212 WTQ?? I see the 228 WHP but the torque curves (more horizontal curves) max just under 170... sure ur not looking at the baseline WHP at 212?

myriadshalaks 07-08-2009 06:59 PM

hmm.

Brettus 07-08-2009 07:03 PM

the other anomally here is the base vs modified shows large gains thoughout the entire rev range - that just does not happen ......

Jedi54 07-08-2009 07:07 PM

sorry Avanti but I gotta throw out the :bsflag:


I've personally hosted dyno days and put over 50 different RX-8's on different dynos and there is not ONE that has ever broken the 200 whp mark with a simple borla catback.
That tells me your baseline is not accurate.


the rest of the dyno is also way off.
You're dyno'ing up where Charles R. Hill's car dyno'd and his engine is ported, has upgraded ignition, exhaust, AND NITROUS.
sorry man, simply not happening...

RedefineRX8 07-08-2009 07:21 PM

If only this was how they really did dyno... :(

Brettus 07-08-2009 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by RedefineRX8 (Post 3107393)
If only this was how they really did dyno... :(

amen to that !

04RX8man 07-08-2009 07:26 PM

yeah i only see about 170wTQ...and 212 WHP....

tiltmode43 07-08-2009 09:41 PM

My first thought was it was simply a hub dyno. A quick google search and it turns out it is indeed a wheel dyno, hmm... converted to crank?

RotaryMachineRx 07-08-2009 09:54 PM

212 seems to be a little bit low for flywheel though.... but the 228 is very reasonable for it

myriadshalaks 07-08-2009 10:03 PM

even still, the gains don't add up.

so a cai adds THAT MUCH whp and tq ALL THE WAY THROUGH the rpms?

no. no it doesn't.

RotaryMachineRx 07-08-2009 10:08 PM

No I 100% agree with you, but he has more than intake done and it is possible that the baseline run is incorrect... 212bhp seems small... overall it is a messed up dyno haha

RotaryMachineRx 07-08-2009 10:10 PM

avanti do you have an AP tune as well?

dshiznit1489 07-08-2009 10:46 PM

What kind of dyno was it? This could be the issue here...

alz0rz 07-08-2009 10:58 PM

212 is a BIT more believable, but its really really pushing it with those minor mods.

RotaryMachineRx 07-08-2009 11:25 PM

No i was saying maybe they are converted to Flywheel HP and the baseline run could be effed... lol that shiz is just messed...

Brettus 07-08-2009 11:30 PM

I still go with the kryptonite theory - look at the green shading on the base run .

alz0rz 07-09-2009 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 3107776)
I still go with the kryptonite theory - look at the green shading on the base run .

win

RotaryMachineRx 07-09-2009 10:57 AM

ahh, good observation... that is so obvious after somebody else points it out

Jedi54 07-09-2009 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by alz0rz (Post 3107741)
212 is a BIT more believable, but its really really pushing it with those minor mods.

212 without engine tuning and cat delete is going to be damn near impossible.

avanti_racing08 07-09-2009 11:23 AM

no AP, unless when i did the dealer recal thing they did something besides a reflash,

dyno dynamics is the type of dyno they run there at swift motorsports,

ok so i see wwhat you guys are saying i really didnt believe the sheets eather, but i really feel dynos dont lie. How many of you dynoed your car when you first go it and then after a couple mods where put on it? When i got the car and brought it to the dealer there was a recal done on it already which i beleave was the engine swap out so it might be a bran new motor when i ran it the first time, the second time i ran it it had the dealer reflash with the newest mods on it. just for shits and giggles i will be going to a diffrent shop after install the coils and wires to see if there is a diff or whats up

shaunv74 07-09-2009 11:24 AM

Something seems off about your curve. Your power peak is at ~7300RPM. Absolute numbers aside it looks like your VDI valve is not opening or something is missing. Your final curve should be similar in shape or slope to your baseline regardless of the overall numbers. I would check to see why your power peak is not higher at 8000rpm like the stock line.

Also it seems like either this is Bhp at the flywheel or the dyno is adjusted to read higher. Dynos can be adjusted to read whatever you want. I've had my car on three different dynos and gotten three very different numbers.

DarthRX8 07-09-2009 11:28 AM

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This dyno goes along with my first AP run.

RotaryMachineRx 07-09-2009 12:27 PM

Are you showing that dyno's can read wrong with that pic or are you actually pulling 492whp dyno runs?

DarthRX8 07-09-2009 12:34 PM

Check my sig... I am definitely not running 492whp.

The pic was my attempt at sarcasm and meant that dynos can be wrong at times. The only NA RX8 dyno that I have ever seen pull over 220 was TeamRX8.

Rumboo 07-09-2009 12:35 PM

wait...doesn't kryptonite make superman weaker?

alz0rz 07-09-2009 12:39 PM

ahahaha

RotaryMachineRx 07-09-2009 12:41 PM

Ah ya didnt look at your sig.... very true about the kryptonite, but whatever Bruce Banner has, is what Avanti's rotary is running...

8 Maniac 07-09-2009 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by avanti_racing08 (Post 3108419)
no AP, unless when i did the dealer recal thing they did something besides a reflash,

dyno dynamics is the type of dyno they run there at swift motorsports,

ok so i see wwhat you guys are saying i really didnt believe the sheets eather, but i really feel dynos dont lie.

It's not really a lie. It's just wrong. That might be what the dyno read, but that doesn't mean it was calibrated right. It's like a lot of measuring tools, you have to have it calibrated properly to get proper results. Scales need calibration before you weigh things... in fact, electronic scales calibrate to 0 every time they turn on. Lets say you put 5 pounds on a scale before turning it on. Then you remove that weight and step on the scale.... You're going to be 5 pounds lighter according to the scale, but we all know that is not the case. So it's really not a lie, it's just wrong.

Brettus 07-09-2009 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by Rumboo (Post 3108564)
wait...doesn't kryptonite make superman weaker?

perhaps - but it has the reverse effect on his batmobile . He always gets his butler to top up the kryptonite for him because of this . Jeez , don't you know anything ???????

Brettus 07-09-2009 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by shaunv74 (Post 3108424)
Something seems off about your curve. Your power peak is at ~7300RPM. Absolute numbers aside it looks like your VDI valve is not opening or something is missing. Your final curve should be similar in shape or slope to your baseline regardless of the overall numbers. I would check to see why your power peak is not higher at 8000rpm like the stock line.

Also it seems like either this is Bhp at the flywheel or the dyno is adjusted to read higher. Dynos can be adjusted to read whatever you want. I've had my car on three different dynos and gotten three very different numbers.


I was going to say the coils could need replacing but there were so many other anomalies with this dyno that I didn't bother .

avanti : I have dynoed my car on a dyno dynamics and got quite a low reading . I was told by the dyno guy that it was known as the "heartbreaker" of dynos .
The fact that yours is so high makes me believe that its calibration is way out of wack . You said they only had it for a few weeks ? Go back to them and tell them the rx8 club does not believe his dyno and get him to recalibrate it and give you another free dyno .

RoTaRyRx-8 07-09-2009 03:23 PM

Do you have any videos of the car so we can see how it pulls ??

Jedi54 07-09-2009 03:31 PM

it's going to pull like any other RX-8, the dyno is WAY off.

Rumboo 07-09-2009 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 3108889)
perhaps - but it has the reverse effect on his batmobile . He always gets his butler to top up the kryptonite for him because of this . Jeez , don't you know anything ???????

damm...i gotta go get me a butler...

TeamRX8 07-09-2009 07:06 PM

guess I better go brush up on my mad tuning skillz ...

avanti_racing08 07-09-2009 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 3108899)
I was going to say the coils could need replacing but there were so many other anomalies with this dyno that I didn't bother .

avanti : I have dynoed my car on a dyno dynamics and got quite a low reading . I was told by the dyno guy that it was known as the "heartbreaker" of dynos .
The fact that yours is so high makes me believe that its calibration is way out of wack . You said they only had it for a few weeks ? Go back to them and tell them the rx8 club does not believe his dyno and get him to recalibrate it and give you another free dyno .

no i dynoed it a few weeks after i got the car for a base line run.
on a side not installed the coils and wires today so i will be doing another run soon

Jedi54 07-09-2009 08:56 PM

I predict 254 whp
:rolleyes:

Razz1 07-09-2009 09:01 PM

That's gross Hp.

Dyno was not calibrated to run RX8.

Someone is eating your money.

Brettus 07-09-2009 09:01 PM

at this rate - who needs a turbo ?

Razz1 07-09-2009 09:05 PM

Wee... i can't wait to see the HP from a light pully!

Proxi 07-09-2009 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 3109533)
at this rate - who needs a turbo ?

Or for that matter who needs a "real" dyno when everyone has their own butt dyno? ;)

My last butt dyno run recorded my RX8 at 287 BsHP with 203 Bs per lb torque.

RoTaRyRx-8 07-09-2009 09:38 PM

you should go back to the dyno and do it again and tell them to do it right this time so we can see what you really have ??


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