rev-2-9k

Ito claims in the thread on his daughters car; no n2o on his car.

shelleys_man_06

I don't really think it matters what he did. If Ito wasn't going to share it, why should we care? I'm sure we are smart enough to come up with our own power solutions.

mysql101

In reply to:
Ito wrote:
Now, judging from Ito's previous replies, stock could mean anything, however the user specifically asked if the ECU had been reflashed, and Ito countered that it was "stock". The resulting conclusion is that Ito's reply says that stock = unchanged (otherwise a stock ECU reflash wouldn't count).

nite crawler

It is amazing the complete polar stance people some people are sticking to on this. This is discussion forum, and I cannot believe the immaturity I am witnessing. LET IT GO. Getting the last laugh abotu the stock thing and how Ito shouldn't do this or is allowed to do this, which is what some of you keep trying to do (and I am sure some might flame me for this.... GO AHEAD), is futile in this thread. Make another thread, and discuss the whole stock thing there. DAMN.

One more thing to look at:

After all this discussion about what Ito may have done (on this thread and the old one), the ONLY posts that got us ANYWHERE were the ones about nitrous, and ecu, porting, etc. People threw out ideas, and others knocked them down. Then, others brought the ideas back. The other posts about Ito being a jerk. WHY? Even if what he said was like kicking you in the ***** (or *****, ladies ), don't sit here and flame someone who holds so much credibility.

In short, Ito had a reason to do what he did and say what he said. And he meant no offense to anyone. None.

P.S. I realize some discussions on "bone stock" were used to prove or disprove things he may have done. I am not knocking those posts.




SOOOOOOO, recap.

It can't be porting, heh? And you guys are still pressing on nitrous. And maybe serious ECU work on just the top end? Lets keep it going.

Xyntax

I still think it's Nitrous, but someone here (RG I think) pointed out the possibility of porting that only affects the 6K rpm range. Would it be possible that he only tinkered with the intake area and nothing else and immediately go a boost at >6K? Lookup the SDAIS thread to see the possibilities there.

just my 2 cents.

rotarygod

I am really starting to think that there is something that only affects one little spot. The reason I say this is because the dyno sheet that he posted for his daughters 2nd gen RX-7 also spiked around there and then fell back off. Here's the graph. Peak power may have been 200 but the average power up top was closer to 190. Interesting.

Xyntax

Whoa! thanks for posting those dyno sheets side by side. I have read about Ito's work on powerful N/A rotary engines and I think, with his experience, the Renesis would be a great candidate. It's powerful already coming out of the factory. Maybe this is why he is always excited about the Renesis' potential. If you are someone who has transformed slow N/A rotary engines into high power ones, what could you ever imagine doing to an already highpowered N/A Rotary engine!

What's common in Ito's previous N/A mods? Porting right? Are there other things that he did? He mentioned at nopistons that he has done some porting on some 6-port rotaries too. Would the Renesis be any different if he applied those mods to the RX-8?

RG, can you give us more info on what he did or what happened to that 2nd Gen 7? A guy like Ito is someone who's not afraid to experiment, but is also smart enough to stick to what works.

rotarygod

The 2nd gen engine is just streetported. It also has a shot of nitrous.

zoom44

ok so i cleared out some of the bickering and other posts that werent helpful in my little thought project here. please try to keep that stuff down. nitecrawler and rx8cited thanks for your efforts to keep this on the topic of "how could we reproduce this". thank you

rg thanks for the post of the charts side by side. that is very interesting.

Gomez

Ohhh, quite a bit is gone....including a thoughtful post by rg....but at least the thread is back open.....

I've been following this and Ito's "vanished" thread for a while....it's a shame we lost him. Newbies like me have a lot to learn about rotaries, we need all the expertise/considered opinions/ideas to be available and openly discussed. And he did openly discuss.....too openly. In hindsight, had he held back, I'd still be here reading of his Renesis power-up.

Baiting Ito had become a sport.....I'm sure if people had considered his posts and read between the lines, he'd still be here. They took the lazy way out and wanted a quick answer to his "stock" response. As I said, it's a shame.

Gomez.

WTF no turbo

*mod edit*


Now thats out of the way port makes sence to me.Edit made i have more respect for Ito then that.*smackes self*

rotarygod

I've got something I'm working on for the RX-8, but I can't say what it is!

zoom44

yep gomez i slashed rg's post sorry new to some of this stuff. wtfno turbo lets keep this on how and not why ok?

Richard Paul

iTrader: (5)

RG, that's a joke right??

I just read this and the closed one for the first time. I don't remember exactly but it was page 1 or 2. He said it was stock to protect himself. I instantly got the picture, He has a shop that works on cars. It has a license from the state, it requires him not to do anything that breaks the law. Thus he cannot modify anything that relates to the emissions system. Since that is everything on the engine he is restricted if he wants to continue to earn a living in that state.

Don't need the company brain trust to find that between the lines. I hope you guys never turn on me for the combination to the family trust.

zoom44

would it make a jump in hp like what we see in that dyno graph? i cant se you tuning like that.

zoom44

now that you got that out richard can you lend any insight here as to what would make such a huge jump at that rpm? i dont want to get into the whole mess that other thread did and this is not intended to "out" ITO. it's purely about how can we reproduce what that dyno graph shows.

rotarygod

If you are referring to the something working statement, then yes. I do have ideas though!

Is the rest directed at me too?

Richard Paul

iTrader: (5)

Sorry zoom44 I'm a freshman here, ask me about poppet valve engine and I'll give an opinion. If rotarygod can't give you a solid answer I wouldn't even guess. Far be ir from me to throw roses on anybody but he's just the one who I've seen come up with logical answers. There are many more out there to ask before me.

Richard Paul

iTrader: (5)

No RG, it is not directed at you. And the first q was refering to your saying there is something you can't talk about. Maybe a play on the ito thread. Just trying to see if you can get as many responses.

Everyone out there don't ever take me seriously, I like to think of myself as a funny guy.
You see it is hard to get expression through words. Even the great writers get read several ways.

Gomez

Throw in a few smilies mate :D !

310Guy

Seriously moderators why have my posts gotten deleted when I say the exact same thing???

brothervoodoo

Back to the Lounge you go... :p :p

Richard Paul

iTrader: (5)

Well I saw a stock intake and had all of it's functions explained to me. There are some vacuume motors and some rotating sleeves in there. Plus some sort of port redirection blades.These are timed for various functions at given time and load. It could be that with porting of some and retiming of some functions there is a bump to be had in a narrow rpm band.

If thats the case then he was not kidding about doing a lot of work to find it. But normally getting a boost in a certain rpm band means taking it from someplace else. That might be why you cannot see some of the dyno sheet.

A guess only, best I have.

Splan8

Is it possible that through his connections he obtained an ECU from either the Japanese version or possibly the "Pre-J" ECU flash? Or perhaps the one from the mazdaspeed RX8?

Maybe "Bone stock" = Bone stock for a Japanese version car?

guy321

tornado and rerouting AC into the intake..im telling u! im surprised is isnt runnign 11's!!