The Interceptor-X for N/A Cars
12-17-2005, 01:19 AM
#526
Originally Posted by dmp
Except it's NOT 10HP across the board (throughout the RPM range.) It's about 10hp, average from 6000-Redline. Or, about the last 1/3 of the RPM Range. Across the board would mean a 10hp gain at 1000, 1100, 1200, etc. all the way up. A 10hp Average gain across the board means a LOT more white space between the two plots.
"22hp at 'one' specific RPM is about as useless as 'peak' power gains. "
I'm not knocking the product, or the effort involved - I'm just typing what I read from that dyno plot. Sizable white space there between the two plots, on the upper 1/3. I'm sure the car feels noticably faster.
"22hp at 'one' specific RPM is about as useless as 'peak' power gains. "
I'm not knocking the product, or the effort involved - I'm just typing what I read from that dyno plot. Sizable white space there between the two plots, on the upper 1/3. I'm sure the car feels noticably faster.
beers
12-17-2005, 07:58 PM
#527
Scott kudo's for all the hard work. Good product. It sure opens a lot of doors. The price? Well everyone wants inexpensive stuff.
Don't forget that the price of the unit is only the begining. Once you have the thing then the tuning starts. That is another hurdle that only time and experience will solve. Tuning will not be cheap either. So be sure you budget for that!
I am sure Scott will ship a unit with a VERY conservative map but unless you tune to your car you will not see results like he has demostrated. I guess there is a possibility one could actually see more gain than this car shows. On the flip side one could also see less.
I await these things:
1-- port job(street I hope)
2- balance and blue print the rotors.
3- motify the map
2- the right header and high flow cat/catback combo.
3- then the interceptor and tuning.
I believe THEN we will se a n/a RX8 225-235 at the wheels.
and it will be reliable
rotor on
olddragger
Don't forget that the price of the unit is only the begining. Once you have the thing then the tuning starts. That is another hurdle that only time and experience will solve. Tuning will not be cheap either. So be sure you budget for that!
I am sure Scott will ship a unit with a VERY conservative map but unless you tune to your car you will not see results like he has demostrated. I guess there is a possibility one could actually see more gain than this car shows. On the flip side one could also see less.
I await these things:
1-- port job(street I hope)
2- balance and blue print the rotors.
3- motify the map
2- the right header and high flow cat/catback combo.
3- then the interceptor and tuning.
I believe THEN we will se a n/a RX8 225-235 at the wheels.
and it will be reliable
rotor on
olddragger
12-19-2005, 04:37 PM
#529
Originally Posted by epitrochoid
like I said already...i think i speak for alot of the owners when I say this is a stepping stone to greater things. one guy asked why it wasn't tested on a stock rx-8..why would you want to do that? no one is going to spend $1800 on 22hp and then leave it at that. this product is a must for anyone that's serious about this game.
IMO (not meant to hate), this needs to be tuned for a few more ponies with 91 octane or better, and if you could make it into some kind of flash and charge 800 bucks for it, i'd sign up in a heart beat.
1800 bucks for 22hp and a computer is silly IMO. Also silly to have it tuned for 87 octane. I've never seen a chip tuned for 87.
12-19-2005, 04:52 PM
#530
Originally Posted by cleoent
Ok using the same logic then why would anyone that's going to spend 1800 for 22hp not man up and pay the extra $.20 per gallon for gas?
IMO (not meant to hate), this needs to be tuned for a few more ponies with 91 octane or better, and if you could make it into some kind of flash and charge 800 bucks for it, i'd sign up in a heart beat.
1800 bucks for 22hp and a computer is silly IMO. Also silly to have it tuned for 87 octane. I've never seen a chip tuned for 87.
IMO (not meant to hate), this needs to be tuned for a few more ponies with 91 octane or better, and if you could make it into some kind of flash and charge 800 bucks for it, i'd sign up in a heart beat.
1800 bucks for 22hp and a computer is silly IMO. Also silly to have it tuned for 87 octane. I've never seen a chip tuned for 87.
beers
12-19-2005, 04:59 PM
#531
Originally Posted by swoope
you might want to read post #480 in this thread. it explains a lot. i saw the chart for that run.
beers
beers
Ok, my last request then is 800 bucks and a flash, not a computer. :D
12-19-2005, 05:02 PM
#532
Momentum Keeps Me Going
Originally Posted by swoope
you might want to read post #480 in this thread. it explains a lot. i saw the chart for that run.
beers
beers
12-19-2005, 05:22 PM
#533
It's been more than proven that due to the Rotary's inefficient combustion chamber shape (long and flat rather than round) it benefits from faster burning fuel, i.e., low octane. This promotes a more complete burn thanks to the faster travel of the flame front and thus better power.
This is not the case on turbocharged ones though; due to the low resistance to detonation the seals in a rotary have, they need to run higher octane at richer mixtures.
This have been proven on older 13B's though, the Renesis is still too young. I don't see why it would be any different as the combustion chambers are the same between older 13B's and the Renesis.
This is not the case on turbocharged ones though; due to the low resistance to detonation the seals in a rotary have, they need to run higher octane at richer mixtures.
This have been proven on older 13B's though, the Renesis is still too young. I don't see why it would be any different as the combustion chambers are the same between older 13B's and the Renesis.
12-19-2005, 08:01 PM
#534
RX8 and a Truk....
Originally Posted by swoope
with that logic i think your revi and duct would be worth ~.5hp across the range?????? not a good buy either dont you think????
beers
beers
That might be right
I won't know until I dyno it...but if I see 1hp average I'd be happy. $300 vs 4hp average for ~$1600. Point is, HP is expensive. 
12-19-2005, 11:46 PM
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Zoom44 quote
Zoom I saw this in one of your posts, hope you do not mind the quote but I think you have got it spot on.
"Why should you care about tuning accuracy? You should care because ECU modification and engine control is about more than a “big number.” It’s about a broad smooth curve producing maximum power at every point between idle and redline. It’s about no hesitations, stumbles, or misses when you stomp on the gas. It’s about not blowing up your engine because the tuning values “felt good.”
"Why should you care about tuning accuracy? You should care because ECU modification and engine control is about more than a “big number.” It’s about a broad smooth curve producing maximum power at every point between idle and redline. It’s about no hesitations, stumbles, or misses when you stomp on the gas. It’s about not blowing up your engine because the tuning values “felt good.”
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12-20-2005, 10:30 AM
#543
Originally Posted by rotary crazy
I saw a race car do 230 rwhp without any internal mods with a microtec, how is that posible?
12-20-2005, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
I saw a race car do 230 rwhp without any internal mods with a microtec, how is that posible?
12-24-2005, 04:44 PM
#549
Originally Posted by epitrochoid
with an uncracked renesis, i think we can all agree that it is not possbile. actually on a second thought, i remember from the canzoomer days he told me once that he went deep into the "dangerously lean" cave and managed something in the neighborhood of 240whp with a gtec. but he said that he would never do that again, as he was putting the motor at serious risk. of course the gtec could have been off (aren't they always?), but I suppose if you wanted to put down a number you could do it with a little trickery.
Not possible? Already done ...
