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Old 01-28-2004, 01:43 AM
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Intake Development

Hey guys, I was curious is anyone in the area of central florida and willing to let develope a intake system on your car, I will give you the system at cost. I want to develope a intake system thats more affordable than the K&N Typhoon system. If anyone is interested please email me at energiedev@cfl.rr.com
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you are going to develop this intake with who????

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I own a company called Energie Developments. If you are interested let me know. For the most part I can have basically everything ready for when you come down for the development. Basically, you just drop the car off for a total of about 3-4 hours and pick it up with the final product. Email me if you are interested.
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wait,
you want me to drop of my car for 3 to 4 hours. you must be smoking crack.

do you have a web site. pic of product. rough sketch of the design.

intake change would take less than an hour. what are you going to do for the other 3?????

and anything out there you have desiged??? pics links ????

not to be skeptical, but i didnt just fall of the safety truck.

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Same Offer here...

I own Hyper Turbo Street Racer II Alpha.com and if you drop off your car for just 30 minutes, my company will install Twin Turbo's, and even detail your car free of charge.

My address...

187 Fohizzle Drive.
Compton, Ca. 90420... Just leave it by the curb with the key in the ignition. :D
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Not to be a hater but there are already cone filter kits out there and the differences between them are so slight as to not be feelable. Anything new that is of the same design is just a copy. that being said I want someone to design an actual Helmholtz resonant tuned box similar in principle to the stock box but have room for a larger filter element as well as slightly larger intake tubes while retaining some sort of actuation for a second intake tube. (That was a hell of a run on sentence!) I would design it myself but I don't own an RX-8 yet. The stock intake tubes do not add up in area to the area of the maf or the throttlebody. By adding a cone system you are getting a benefit due to added air but you are losing tuning ability with the box and intake tubes. Someone please design both into a system!!! The larger the intake filter box (to a point), the greater the amplitude of the gain. You need to really have a good understanding of acoustics to comprehend this.

Fabbing up an adapter and fitting a generic cone filter to it is easy. What isn't easy is getting the location of the maf set properly in the tube. If you are off in the slightest it will read wrong. Ask Chuck at Rotary Extreme about this issue.
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3-4 hours would go into developing a template and making a heatsheild. You could stay the entire time or not. If I knew you were fimilar with the rotaries and didnt have to worry about you blowing it up Id let you drive my t78 rx7.
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i have driven a 78 rx7 and i did it 78. the t does that you put a turbo on it.

as to the 78 rx7 didnt have a turbo.

lots of tolls. how bout a photo of your 78.

you have little creditablilty with 4 posts and no rx8.

might take you seriously if you had any info for me.

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rotarygod --

I love your ideas on the intake. Helmholtz resonance tuning for the intake is a fascinating concept and I hate to see Mazda engineers' hard work destroyed by just putting in a big cone filter. I remember doing some basic study applications on this -- I think in my fluid dynamics classes back when I was an Aero. E. undergrad.

Can't you get a local Houston owner to donate a car for this? Seems like it could be a very viable product with distinct enginerring advantages over the current offerings. Maybe CZ would assist and market it for you?


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Not to be a hater but there are already cone filter kits out there and the differences between them are so slight as to not be feelable. Anything new that is of the same design is just a copy. that being said I want someone to design an actual Helmholtz resonant tuned box similar in principle to the stock box but have room for a larger filter element as well as slightly larger intake tubes while retaining some sort of actuation for a second intake tube. (That was a hell of a run on sentence!) I would design it myself but I don't own an RX-8 yet. The stock intake tubes do not add up in area to the area of the maf or the throttlebody. By adding a cone system you are getting a benefit due to added air but you are losing tuning ability with the box and intake tubes. Someone please design both into a system!!! The larger the intake filter box (to a point), the greater the amplitude of the gain. You need to really have a good understanding of acoustics to comprehend this.

Fabbing up an adapter and fitting a generic cone filter to it is easy. What isn't easy is getting the location of the maf set properly in the tube. If you are off in the slightest it will read wrong. Ask Chuck at Rotary Extreme about this issue.
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Originally posted by swoope
i have driven a 78 rx7 and i did it 78. the t does that you put a turbo on it.

as to the 78 rx7 didnt have a turbo.

lots of tolls. how bout a photo of your 78.

you have little creditablilty with 4 posts and no rx8.

might take you seriously if you had any info for me.

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Um...A T-78 IS a turbo. He put a T-78 turbo on an RX-7. He has a very high horsepower RX-7 is what he is trying to say. Then again so do I and so do a couple of my friends so they aren't all that uncommon. I just don't have a T-78.
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Originally posted by rotarygod
Um...A T-78 IS a turbo. He put a T-78 turbo on an RX-7. He has a very high horsepower RX-7 is what he is trying to say. Then again so do I and so do a couple of my friends so they aren't all that uncommon. I just don't have a T-78.
thanks,

didnt think he was old enough to have driven a 78.

while you are at it could you explain. the fd i see all the time.

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If you haven't gotten anybody by the 17th of Feb, I'll do it when I get back to the US!
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im not trying to be an ***, it is just what i do best. i just have noticed that in the car forums you get lots of people with nothing to do.

in motercycle forums i use it is not that way. this is the second person i have interacted with that claims to be in fla. that has the same # of posts everytime they post.

i did find some pics of his or her car. the girl on the hood is hot. not photos of an engine. lots of stereo mods, gauges. no engine.

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Originally posted by RXhusker
rotarygod --

I love your ideas on the intake. Helmholtz resonance tuning for the intake is a fascinating concept and I hate to see Mazda engineers' hard work destroyed by just putting in a big cone filter. I remember doing some basic study applications on this -- I think in my fluid dynamics classes back when I was an Aero. E. undergrad.

Can't you get a local Houston owner to donate a car for this? Seems like it could be a very viable product with distinct enginerring advantages over the current offerings. Maybe CZ would assist and market it for you?
Thanks. The way I would design the box is to first and foremost relocate the battery to the trunk somewhere. There are alot of people who don't want to do this. I would on my own car but then again I am also pretty crazy at trying things. I would make a similar shaped box as the stock air box but mine would go all the way across the engine bay and also take up the space that the battery was in. This would give me the area that I wanted as well as allowing some serious air filter(s) to be installed. I would do 2 seperate intake tubes rather than one with a branch like the stock one does. The added area of the 2nd tube when open automatically tunes to a higher point. I would keep both tubes immediately next to each other so air flow comes from the same relative spot in the box. I don't want any added turbulence from different entrances. The 2nd tube would have a butterfly valve on it that is electrically actuated with an rpm trigger (window switch) for tunability. Simple but effective. The factory valve opens by vacuum and this is slower than an electric system. This method would make the transition much smoother. To get really crazy design a constantly variable length intake tube that constantly adjusts with rpm. Lots of cool things to try.

The RX-8 guys I have met in Houston are nice people but really aren't into doing alot of experimentation with their vehicles. I'll probably have to wait until I get one to try it. I can't verify that it will or will not work but the principle is sound and I'll never know unless I try. I am also much more comfortable experimenting on my own property. If anyone is willing never the less I will give it a shot. The good thing is that there would be nothing permanent done to the vehicle so the only potential loss is time.
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I'll probably have to wait until I get one to try it.
Well, what are you waiting for

Can't wait to see what you come up with -- I guess I'll have to be patient -- not my strong suit.


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