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VS8 07-31-2008 03:23 PM

ignition solution
 
what does the mazsport ignition solution actually do? how does it work and are the power gains

Rotore_787 07-31-2008 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by VS8 (Post 2576289)
what does the mazsport ignition solution actually do? how does it work and are the power gains

you don't really upgrade ignition unless you are going onto major power upgrades or you want better throttle response. i dont think you can actually gain any power of a ignition ugrade just better throttle response.

VS8 07-31-2008 03:47 PM

so would nitrous count

invasion08 07-31-2008 04:03 PM

The Dyno does not lie
 
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Rotore_787 07-31-2008 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by VS8 (Post 2576327)
so would nitrous count

No and heres a rule most racers go by if it goes past 375hp then its time for a ignition upgrade or if you want better throttle response then upgrade it could shave a second or of your track time but for actual power under 375hp i dont think so.

and that car had more then ignition done to it trust me

paulmasoner 07-31-2008 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by Rotore_787 (Post 2576431)
No and heres a rule most racers go by if it goes past 375hp then its time for a ignition upgrade or if you want better throttle response then upgrade it could shave a second or of your track time but for actual power under 375hp i dont think so.

and that car had more then ignition done to it trust me

haha, thats funny cause in this car you run into spark blowout around 330whp.....

even at stock power levels the ignition is only adequate at best

Easy_E1 07-31-2008 04:53 PM

^That's why I use the BHR Ignition solution.

paulmasoner 07-31-2008 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by Easy_E1 (Post 2576454)
^That's why I use the BHR Ignition solution.

and i will be fairly soon. i wont have much choice, if you know what i mean ;)

Rotore_787 07-31-2008 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by paulmasoner (Post 2576440)
haha, thats funny cause in this car you run into spark blowout around 330whp.....

even at stock power levels the ignition is only adequate at best

my corolla, s13 and 1.8 didnt need it till they hit 375hp. Honda needs it at 400hp or more. and i guess its 330hp on this one hmmmm thats kinda low dont you think?

mysql 07-31-2008 06:10 PM

The stock coils don't stand up to the heat well. They degrade over time.

Assuming your stock coils are functional and not wearing down, you can expect no gain by switching to different coils unless you're well over 300 whp. So anyone who isn't FI, don't expect much.

However, if you switch, your car can run temporarily lean causing your car to gain a bit of power till the PCM learns and readjusts. After that, you can expect the car to perform normally again.

Basically, if you're 330+ whp, you would need to upgrade.

If you're not over 330 whp, then upgrade if you want to escape from upgrading coils once every 1-3 years.

The BHR coils don't need an ignition box and don't need tuning to make work, unlike the Mazsport ones.

Rotore_787 07-31-2008 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by mysql (Post 2576576)
Assuming your stock coils are functional and not wearing down, you can expect no gain by switching to different coils unless you're well over 300 whp. So anyone who isn't FI, don't expect much.


isn't that basically what iv'e been saying... :icon_no2:

mysql 07-31-2008 06:28 PM

everyone says everything increases throttle response.

new intake? more throttle response.

throttle body bypass? more throttle response.

ignition coils? more throttle response.

new catback? more throttle response.

catless midpipe? more throttle response.

v-tec sticker? more throttle response.

getting punched in the neck? more throttle response.

TThell 07-31-2008 06:35 PM

would this not provide more complete combustion of the fuel charge, since it is suppose to create a larger spark and hopfully a larger flame front

I may be making assumtions here but I was hoping it would provide a little better overall combustion of the fuel that is being added and maybe a 1-2 Mpg increase

Mazurfer 07-31-2008 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by mysql (Post 2576576)
The BHR coils don't need an ignition box and don't need tuning to make work, unlike the Mazsport ones.

Jason, that tuning part is really only true for FI right? NA doesn't require any tuning with the Mazsport......correct?

Rotore_787 07-31-2008 06:38 PM

[QUOTE=mysql;2576599]everyone says everything increases throttle response.

ignition coils? more throttle response.
[QUOTE=mysql;2576599]


thats the only one i saw that'll actually increase throttle response.

if you want more throttle response jus upgrade throttle body, ignition components, clutch/flywheel.. thats basically it

if you want a bit more power then go with intake, mid-pipe, cat delete or hi-flow cat and exhaust.

whoneedspistons 07-31-2008 06:40 PM

mazsurfer you are correct

Mazurfer 07-31-2008 06:40 PM

Don't take this as gospel, but I just filled up today after 250 miles on a tank, my previous record was only about 230 miles or so. No driving habit or mod changes, so it's not real scientific and I'm not really sure yet.
One other thing I've noticed besides just a little throttle response is that my exhaust tips don't have nearly the oily deposits on them as they used to. I'll bet I wipe them off maybe once a week where I used to do it every single day.

Mazurfer 07-31-2008 06:43 PM

^...........I assume you mean about the no tuning if you are NA on the Mazsport?

mysql 07-31-2008 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by Mazurfer (Post 2576611)
Jason, that tuning part is really only true for FI right? NA doesn't require any tuning with the Mazsport......correct?

In theory, but several have reported loss of top end power. Do some searches.

I have yet to see a plausible reason for paying more for a system that may need tweaking to get working properly. You're dropping $599 for what exactly?

tajabaho1 07-31-2008 07:45 PM

oh is it 600? I thought it was 500.

paulmasoner 07-31-2008 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by Rotore_787 (Post 2576612)

if you want a bit more power then go with intake, mid-pipe, cat delete or hi-flow cat and exhaust.

here i'll fix it:


Originally Posted by Rotore_787 (Post 2576612)

if you want a bit more power then go with cat delete or hi-flow cat(maybe) with tuning

the intake and cat-back are practically useless for power as you cant consistently get the same results for anything more than 1-3hp from any combination

mysql 07-31-2008 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by tajabaho1 (Post 2576690)
oh is it 600? I thought it was 500.

I guess you can think of $599 as $500 if you wanted.

Easy_E1 07-31-2008 08:00 PM

All I know is it's a lot more than the soon to be released BHR Ignition Coils.

invasion08 07-31-2008 08:01 PM

My Mazsport Ignition Solution works great for my set up

Rotore_787 07-31-2008 08:26 PM

that was the whole point of me saying abit more power not that much and i was talking about a catalytic converter not a cat-back my bad. OR YOU CAN DO MY FAVORITE NO CAT OR NO MUFFLER JUST A STRAIGHT PIPE BACK! it sounds cool but it illegal :eyetwitch


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