ignition solution
 

what does the mazsport ignition solution actually do? how does it work and are the power gains

you don't really upgrade ignition unless you are going onto major power upgrades or you want better throttle response. i dont think you can actually gain any power of a ignition ugrade just better throttle response.

so would nitrous count

The Dyno does not lie
 

No and heres a rule most racers go by if it goes past 375hp then its time for a ignition upgrade or if you want better throttle response then upgrade it could shave a second or of your track time but for actual power under 375hp i dont think so.

and that car had more then ignition done to it trust me

haha, thats funny cause in this car you run into spark blowout around 330whp.....

even at stock power levels the ignition is only adequate at best

^That's why I use the BHR Ignition solution.

and i will be fairly soon. i wont have much choice, if you know what i mean ;)

my corolla, s13 and 1.8 didnt need it till they hit 375hp. Honda needs it at 400hp or more. and i guess its 330hp on this one hmmmm thats kinda low dont you think?

The stock coils don't stand up to the heat well. They degrade over time.

Assuming your stock coils are functional and not wearing down, you can expect no gain by switching to different coils unless you're well over 300 whp. So anyone who isn't FI, don't expect much.

However, if you switch, your car can run temporarily lean causing your car to gain a bit of power till the PCM learns and readjusts. After that, you can expect the car to perform normally again.

Basically, if you're 330+ whp, you would need to upgrade.

If you're not over 330 whp, then upgrade if you want to escape from upgrading coils once every 1-3 years.

The BHR coils don't need an ignition box and don't need tuning to make work, unlike the Mazsport ones.

isn't that basically what iv'e been saying... :icon_no2:

everyone says everything increases throttle response.

new intake? more throttle response.

throttle body bypass? more throttle response.

ignition coils? more throttle response.

new catback? more throttle response.

catless midpipe? more throttle response.

v-tec sticker? more throttle response.

getting punched in the neck? more throttle response.

would this not provide more complete combustion of the fuel charge, since it is suppose to create a larger spark and hopfully a larger flame front

I may be making assumtions here but I was hoping it would provide a little better overall combustion of the fuel that is being added and maybe a 1-2 Mpg increase

Jason, that tuning part is really only true for FI right? NA doesn't require any tuning with the Mazsport......correct?

[QUOTE=mysql;2576599]everyone says everything increases throttle response.

ignition coils? more throttle response.
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thats the only one i saw that'll actually increase throttle response.

if you want more throttle response jus upgrade throttle body, ignition components, clutch/flywheel.. thats basically it

if you want a bit more power then go with intake, mid-pipe, cat delete or hi-flow cat and exhaust.

mazsurfer you are correct

Don't take this as gospel, but I just filled up today after 250 miles on a tank, my previous record was only about 230 miles or so. No driving habit or mod changes, so it's not real scientific and I'm not really sure yet.
One other thing I've noticed besides just a little throttle response is that my exhaust tips don't have nearly the oily deposits on them as they used to. I'll bet I wipe them off maybe once a week where I used to do it every single day.

^...........I assume you mean about the no tuning if you are NA on the Mazsport?

In theory, but several have reported loss of top end power. Do some searches.

I have yet to see a plausible reason for paying more for a system that may need tweaking to get working properly. You're dropping $599 for what exactly?

oh is it 600? I thought it was 500.

here i'll fix it:

the intake and cat-back are practically useless for power as you cant consistently get the same results for anything more than 1-3hp from any combination

I guess you can think of $599 as $500 if you wanted.

All I know is it's a lot more than the soon to be released BHR Ignition Coils.

My Mazsport Ignition Solution works great for my set up

that was the whole point of me saying abit more power not that much and i was talking about a catalytic converter not a cat-back my bad. OR YOU CAN DO MY FAVORITE NO CAT OR NO MUFFLER JUST A STRAIGHT PIPE BACK! it sounds cool but it illegal :eyetwitch

Mine too, but I still need to get my car on a dyno to see exactly where these coils put me in regards to top end power. My oem coils were shitty so I now I got a power increase when I installed them but I can't tell if I am in the 180's or low 190's yet.

what exactly are your setups?

:lol: yes that does seem to be the case around here .

Pics or it never happened!:lol: :lol2:

I had a straight pipe that exited through the center , no resonater , no cat , full 3 inch. I loved it and it was loud as a mofo. But i took it off when my neighbors grandma got a heart attack from it. Yeah <_<. lol. So if you got the ignition upgrade and staying in the 300whp range it wouldnt make a difference? Just wondering because id rather buy an upgrade when i need to replace my coils rather then stock.

:lol: i had a straight pipe too. LMAO didnt that scare the hell outta people when u came down the street.....?

From what I've gathered, this isnt simply an upgrade for those with higher power. The stock system is a weak point, even in stock form. I think it should be done for anyone who has anything decently above stock power, including nitrous. I run nitrous and have every intention of getting the BHR upgrade when I have a chance.

I made a nice amount over 300 whp at 9 psi with the OEM coils. The dyno charts came out real nice, no weird jagged edges from ignition breaking up. Zero issues. But I changed my coils once a year as regular maintenance.

As I said, if your oem coils are not shot, your car will perform decently till you're in the 330 whp range. If your oem coils are shot, or getting close to it, you will definitely see gains from an ignition system that is designed to work with your car.

I would love to see you try to drive a 13B without a muffler or cat.

rotore 787 you seem to be speaking a lot without 100% knowledge of the renesis motor in general. Remember, any experience does not necessarily directly translate...

The benefits of upgraded ignition are being downplayed in this thread. It will prevent you from potentially losing power. Some upgraded ignition systems are much more adequate than others. I have replaced my coils once in my 38,000mi and the difference was certainly noticeable. Search and read the mazsport ignition solution thread and the BHR ignition thread, everything you need to know is already there. I personally will be purchasing the BHR Yukon set.

Posting more on rx8club.com? more throttle response

what is the renesis engine its just a fuel economic version of the 13b. iv'e done some research on the 13b-msp (renesis). and yes i've driven a car with a 13b without a cat or muffler from ponce to rincon with no problems what so ever i just kept getting pulled over for it.

a cat is just used for emissions and a muffler is used to control the exhaust sound coming from the engine make thats what i was taught

Lol, thats what I meant - law enforcement and of course the ear bleed factor! Nothing to do with how the engine responds.

I was just commenting because this information isn't 100% applicable to the renny. 13b-rew and 13b-msp are different engines, fuel economy is one of the issues addressed.

As mysql said, the oe coils don't take to heat so well. Thus, ignition upgrade (or frequent replacement of OE) may indeed be beneficial below 375hp, or 330hp for that matter.

Lastly, that car may have other modifications but an 11whp gain (more like retrieval) is easily possible - the stockers could have been on the way out or the car could have temporarily been on the lean-ish side.

lol i'll give you that it will cause hearing loss for a while but it depends on your sound preference. And the straight pipe exhaust will give u atleast a couple horses i think sence you dont have any ristriction on the exhaust.

and my bad i'm still researching the msp :lol:

the problem isn't the stock coil's capabilities @ 300 whp, it's how long it is able to keep up that capacity @ 300whp

and even mysql would agree that, the stock coils.....@300whp, will not last long, and my definition of long is like a month or two

My car has made quite a bit more than 300 whp. I just never had a good dyno run due to the problems with the mazsport coils.

I have had over 25,000 miles with FI, and changing the coils once a year worked fine. So I would disagree with your statement. In fact, changing out the coils once a year is likely far too soon. I just did it because the coils are only $32 each and I didn't want to bother troubleshooting possible problems that might arise from one of them going south.

The oem coils are prone to failure, but that doesn't mean they can't function. With that said, if you can get a good set of coils that properly WORK with the vehicle, I would recommend upgrading just to get away from the cycle of coil replacement and allow your car a higher ceiling for power levels.

r u sure? cus mine are disintegrating due to heat from the engine

Yeah, I'm pretty sure. However my situation may not reflect yours. Or you could just be the happy recipient of a bum set of coils.