BLOWN8

Hello everyone, I am new to this site, and new to the rotary world.
I did a search and could't find to much information on the greddy Emanage.
I was curious to know which would be a better option, Canzoomer stage 2, or the Emanage.
Pros and Cons?

Genom

It's the same hardware, except the CZ already has the custom wiring harness made up for you and a nice little case that fits in the ECU box. Also comes pre0tuned with a generic map.

smrx8

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genom do you program them the say way. if i get the directions from an emanage would it be the same tunning steps ? are they identical

Speed Racer

Yes, the eManage and CZ can be reprogrammed with the eManage Support Tool.

The CZ Stage 1 and 2 are now the same box. Originally the Stage 1 was going to adjust only the MAF signal and Stage 2 was going to add ignition control. When Mazda released the M flash they also made some significant changes to ignition timing. So CanZoomer stepped up to the plate and upgraded all of the units with ignition control. Stage 3 adds a Greddy Profec E-01 display/controller that can be used to monitor/reprogram the unit and can also switch maps on the go.

Honestly I would suggest buying the CZ unit because it is already pre-wired for the RX-8 and it will fit inside of the ECU box. Plus if you run into tuning problems you can always contact CanZoomer for advice.

Magic8

I don't know what your experience level is with ECU tuning, I have zero. So I chose CZ because
1) Same guts and function as the eManage
2) Nicely executed wiring harness. I really didn't want to deal with wiring headaches
3) Maurice (aka Canzoomer), although not responsive on the forum, is quite responsive on email (at least to all my questions so far)
4) Base map to play with.


Everyone is upset about the fact that it's not plug-and-play, because the base ignition and fuel map it comes with needs adjustment. Personally I still see it as plug-and-play because the wiring harness makes the installation only 30 minutes, an hour at most. My only advice is to get the CZ-Prog1 (USB Program cable with Support Tool) with the CZ-Stage 1.1 units.

BLOWN8

Thanks for your opinions, I am going to order the Canzoomer stage 2, with canscan software.

smrx8

iTrader: (1)

ok because someone told the the canzoomer unit was a little different to tune meaning when your adding fuel or ignition your actually removing it .so it works backwards is this true?

Speed Racer

FYI - you will still need the eManage Support Tool (aka CZ-Prog1) to make any adjustments to the MAF and ignition maps.

The CANscan tool is used for seeing what is going on with the car's sensors (wideband 02, ignition advance, cat temp, etc...) and clearing check engine lights. This really helps with fine tuning the engine.

jgoldstein2000

For those of you who have successfully installed the cz ecu... what type of performance gains did you get? But and dyno... thanks.

BLOWN8

yes, the canscan software that i meant was the CZ-prog 1.
The only thing is that i hear there is a long wait for to get the canzoomer

Speed Racer

Yes, a higher number will lean out the air/fuel ratio and vice versa. It works this way because you are not directly controling the injector duty cycles. Instead you are tweaking the MAF signal and tricking the ECU into giving more/less fuel to match the quantity of incoming air.

I believe that the ignition works normally (higher number = more ignition advance) but don't quote me on that as I have not played with those settings yet.

slavearm

I like to think of the AF adjustment like this... you are adding air, therefore increasing the number adds air.... just the way I had to look at it to remember.

Slavearm

rotarygod

While many people do have the Canzoomer unit and like it, I personally recommend the Ric Shaw ecu from Australia.

IZoomZoomI

would that actually work for usdm rx8?

RotorGeek

Yeah it works. do a search for Ric shoaw and you will see some members already have it in states

d@id

hi guys, will the canzoomer run on a jdm rx8 ?

Speed Racer

That's a good question. As long as the wiring is the same as the North American models it should be possible to use it but I imagine that it will require more tuning to get it to match the JDM fuel maps.

nite crawler

I thought the Emanage was now more plug and play for the 8. I know Maniac figured the way to wire it, but doesn't it come with a harness for the 8 now.

Speed Racer

Jeff,

That is a good question. We will be doing more tuning today on both a new and old CZ unit. I'll post later with the details of the switch settings.

Do you have any pointers for setting the timing correctly? A few people have mentioned that you just advance the timing until it starts to ping, then back it off a couple of degrees. There has got to be a more quantitative way to do this.

8inVegas

MazdaManiac, once let's say a supercharger or a turbo charger with other smaller mods (pulleys, headers, spark plugs, etc) have been installed, would it be possible to squeeze more than 30 hp out of the e-manage?

dannobre

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A A A plus the fuel pots are not at Zero? JP1 1/2 JP2 1/2 JP3 1/2 JP4 off JP5 off
JP6 off JP7 on

alex

personally, I'm waiting for the HKS V-pro, it has more features that most may not care about ... but I think, in the end, it maybe better for our needs, more resolution in tuning. BUT, I gotta talk my HKS tuner friend to show me how to do basic tuning.

alex

Magic8

Can the solution to our problems be that easy? A simple setting error?

I'm also curious, can the CZ Stage 1.1 control fuel injectors directly? I was reading the eManage FAQ can it stated that the ignitions harness that comes with the eManage has extra wires that can be used for injector control.

Speed Racer

When we popped the cover off of the CZ box we found out that you can't see the front of the switches. We were kind of pressed for time this afternoon so we didn't try to tear the box down any further. So I still don't know how they are configured.

dannobre

iTrader: (3)

Maurice uses a flap type MAF setup....I think its got something to do with better resulution i think........I also think that is why the correction #'s on the A/F table are backwards???


Hence the AAA switch setup.

MM...are you only adjusting the Leading plugs? It seems that CZ is altering both L and T plugs? I will know later...I'm tracing out a schematic.

It looks like the jumpers on the CAP fix have been changed to two more diodes??


For now more questions ............than answers :D