yokohamaboi

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Yeah i know, need to do a lot of suspension work before making into a "mad drift machine" well i guess this is a good start off since the 8 make good power i can focus on suspension more then on the engine after getting this. cant wait :]

tiltmode43

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update

I'll give you guys my unbiased opinion as I am not affiliated with anyone.



I tested the product today and it worked as expected, should be on sale for MSRP $420 - perhaps targeting the stoners? Please keep in mind my vehicle has the MS CAI, test pipe, single exit exhaust, light ecu tune - these factors may/not play into responsiveness and thus my experience may differ slightly.

Anyways, I went into it expecting to increase the throttle vs input and be more sensative than oe ~0-10% throttle. My expectations were confirmed, and thensome.

We started out with the device in SP3 mode, the most aggressive. I felt ridiculous! It was like I was learning how to drive, the car would buck if I gave it any gas at all, no matter the input! Really, I tried my hardest to give it the softest hair of input yet it would shoot forward or my clutch would be unhappy. Once moving, response was EXTREMELY better. We changed it up between SP3, SP2, and ECO mode - basically the previous a more aggressive setting than the latter. In ECO mode it was much easier to start off, really SP3 felt almost hopeless, almost like an "on" "off" throttle switch in the 0-5% range. However, once going the car did feel much better down low. Psychologically I guess the rate of pedal push vs car acceleration may have a large effect but regardless, the car was MUCH more responsive down low. I suppose this is less faux than not because really, the car did not seem to bog/hesitate as it would simply by flooring it. I could see using ECO mode in the streets, it was helpful. The other 2 are definitely moving speed modes.

On the highway if you are cruising, then switch to a mode, the car begins to accelerate. This was very interesting, I could not cruise with the device! Like I said, it was nearly an on off effect. I was as gentle as could be too.

I could see this product being very fun when you are simply having fun, it really seems to make the car feel faster than it was before (ALL psychological yet POTENT) and they explicitly state that a dyno would be identical w/ and w/o the product (duh).

Ups :
-Better double clutches/heel toes/shifts - technically since you have to press less the throttle does indeed open faster than without and that slight difference is indeed noticeable with these actions
-Increased sensitivity, on the highway it feels like you are almost always accelerating with the slightest input, the car really and truly does feel faster/more responsive. It felt different than simply mashing the gas pedal. With that I envision bog, with the device bog seemed to not be present.
-Increased bottom end response, really, the low RPMs truly feel like the car has much more pep. I went into this knowing precisely what it did, if I hadn't I would think this is what a 4.77 would feel like at 0-70% throttle.
-Very easy to change setting/power on/off
-Very small, would/could sit on the steering wheel between the wheel and gauges
-Technically does not do anything. I do believe this device has more placebo than 90% other mods out there that truly do little-nothing
-"Blitz"

Downs :
-I am not even sure if it is possible to cruise on the freeway w/o accelerating, it really felt like a throttle on/off switch, especially in SP3 mode - you are either accelerating at a decent pace or slowing down. It was kind of lick bucking and because my car is a tad bit loud it sounded somewhat funny as well
-Technically does not do anything. I do believe this device has more placebo than 90% other mods out there that truly do little-nothing

So, is it worth it you ask?
Really hard to answer this, it depends what you want out of your car. Some will love the lightning throttle speed of the 0-20% range. It did feel very nice to hardly press the pedal and have the car 'go' more. Its almost like the throttle has less "play" with this device installed. Look at the Ups and Downs and decide for yourself the means vs results. I can see many people being VERY happy with this device.

Any questions, simply ask

the_duke313

seems a bit steep for a placebo effect

Noble Wolf

tiltmode43 thanks for the review. Two questions:
When in neutral if you play with the gas pedal do you still feel the delay of the electric throttle or it feels more like a mechanical one?(exhaust sound matching the timing of your right foot) I mean, does it really eliminate that delay or it just opens throttle more?
And where do you install it? OBD port? Because I already have the Scangauge there.

tiltmode43

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In terms of power adding yes, however, this modification does indeed do something...

tiltmode43

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You know, thats hard to answer. Technically I suppose the delay is still present. On the other hand, the revs go up so fast it causes the delay to seem negligible or less prominent.

The device is not OBDII, there is a little box that is plugged into the cable coming from the throttle. Should take 5 mins tops.

HCTR154

It never ceases to amaze me how much aftemarket products for this car cost...$420!

I thought the Cobb AP was overpriced...sounds like a bargain now.

blitzusa

i am going to setup a gb on this forum for this product also. I just wanted to see how many people will intrested in this product. I might be able to get it for 336 let me know
Mike

Noble Wolf

Come on, I found this exact product brand new in Japanese auctions for 27.950 yen (around 279 $)

tiltmode43

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I was confused about that as well, japanparts.com has it listed for 26,600jpy aka $252

I'm sure there must be some sort of reason...

Also guys, if you search the web just about everyone who purchased the product is happy with it. Honestly, it effects the driving experience more than you're giving credit, my review was a tad bit on the harsh side...

HCTR154 - try looking at ARC, R-Magic, RE-Amemiya, etc. Autoexe has wiper blades for somehting like $90 even lol

Noble Wolf

I don't know which reason could explain a 170 $ increase on the original price, but I will prefer japanparts that offers also discount to the members of rx8club. 420 $ is WAY too much for this product.

paulmasoner

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anyone ever wondered if there are random people out there who are fronting as a representative of a business they do not work for, just to push a product and sell it for profit?

i mean, pushing products and selling for profit is standard business, but fronting as someone your not just fails.



fwiw, it is pretty dumb that japan parts can get it that much cheaper than blitz can offer it in a group buy here....

the_duke313

agreed

and considering the accessport can basically do this better and so much more for like 700 this seems wasteful

blitzusa

actually you can ask the guys at blitz im not fronting their business i do actually work there for one thing. If i was doing that y would i send tilt mode to go there and test out the product. Just pointing that out.
Mike

blitzusa

about the price issue i wll discuss about that tommrrow. I just wondering myself how come thats the price in japan i will get the answer and post it up to everyone here so we can get that clarified.
Mike

MazdaManiac

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Yeah, this is a pretty useless item, especially since you can get the same functionality (with MUCH more resolution) from a reflash device.

The OE tuning has separate throttle control maps for each gear. Through a reflash, you can trim the throttle response for each gear independently and get the other functionality as well.

The AccessPORT is cheaper than the cheapest engine management system out there and infinitely more tunable.
I always thought that it would be reasonable at $1200.
$700 is chump change.

tiltmode43

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But you see Jeff, Cobb is not a japanese based company whereas Blitz is. For some people that makes worlds of a difference. Ya know, JDM tyte YO type thing...

Not so much for myself, however. Though AP has much potential, so will other tuning options that are due out (eventually).

No, accessport is not overpriced either.

Also, Mike does indeed work for Blitz. Sorry I forgot to return your call by the way, the test fit went great with zero problems! They were some really nice guys!

paulmasoner

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cool, i didnt mean to fully imply that i thought you were fronting as someone you arent.... just throwing it out as a possibility as i was reaching for explanations for the price variations.

mysql

You realize that throttle by wire is there because even at WOT, full open of the throttle will not be what gives you the most power? Therefor peddle position is there only to tell the car how fast you want to go, and the car opens the throttle body with the proper value that corresponds to that.

This kind of product will amuse people who don't know any better.

Noble Wolf

^Maybe my english is not good enough to understand what you want to say with your post but I know how throttle (both electric and mechanical) works and I know that I would like to have a more aggressive throttle response. So if this product is going to give me that sharp throttle I want then I will get it even if it's placebo or waste of money, I don't care.

mysql

...because pushing down on the accelerator is such a chore that you need a device that costs $420 to press down on it for you.


hey, have fun with it.

MazdaManiac

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It doesn't actually change your throttle response.
It simply "remaps" the relationship between the pedal and the throttle body.

For example, if this is the relationship between pedal position and throttle opening angle in stock form (this is part of a table right out of the actual RX-8 PCM):

0% - 0.10%
2% - 0.10%
5% - 0.30%
7% - 0.70%
10% - 1.60%
15% - 4.70%
20% - 8.99%
25% - 13.79%
30% - 18.49%
35% - 22.49%
40% - 26.98%
45% - 31.98%
50% - 36.98%
60% - 46.97%
70% - 55.97%
80% - 64.96%
90% - 75.26%
100% - 83.95%

You can see that you don't get a significant opening angle until the pedal is past 30% or so. This is to make drivability better.
However, you lead-foots out there want to breathe on your throttle and see it go WOT, so you would change the values to this:

0% - 0.10%
2% - 0.70%
5% - 1.60%
7% - 4.70%
10% - 8.99%
15% - 18.49%
20% - 22.49%
25% - 31.98%
30% - 36.98%
35% - 55.97%
40% - 64.96%
45% - 75.26%
50% - 83.95%
60% - 83.95%
70% - 83.95%
80% - 83.95%
90% - 83.95%
100% - 83.95%

Now you are at a 30% opening angle sooner and WOT with the pedal only 50% of the way down.
(BTW - the maximum opening angle on the RX-8 is 84%).

So, why don't you just push the pedal harder and get the same effect for free?

Just as a comparison, the Blitz thing will work just like the above example - it looks at your current pedal position and changes the output in a linear fashion.
With the AccessPORT, there are separate tables for each gear and it is a matrix - not a list - so that you can change the throttle response at different loads and RPMs independently.

paulmasoner

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god i cant wait for the software..... apparently i lack the coordination to mudulate the throttle at very low RPMs and i would kill to flatten out the throttle's response (at very low %) in 1st, 2nd and maybe even 3rd gear

rotary.enthusiast

I tried explaining that already... nobody wants to listen

csl

If my driving style is floor down maximum or WOT if there is a change, means .......