Any opinions on LIGUID GLASS
For my new RX-8 I found this 'Ultimate Auto Polish/Finish' called Liquid Glass at Pep Boys. Most expensive stuff they had, I think list is $22/16oz cost me $17. Certainly sounds good with a 'Lifetime Protection' guarantee. Says no abrasives, clear coat OK. Carbon molecule base bond with the paint after curing in the sun after application, use on glass, etc. All that good stuff, it's a miracle I guess!
Anyone heard good/bad about it or used it and has opinions?? Thanks. |
Just buy Zaino and skip the rest of the crap :)
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I know everyone is hot on Zaino, but it can't be the only thing in the world that does a fairly decent job. I don't need perfection, I'm not showing the car, I just want it to look good with not too much work.
Zaino at 1st blush after reading here and elsewhere, 1. costs a lot 2. can't be bought locally 3. takes a lot of effort to use 4. is the best product in the universe, bar none. I've read how much this product is loved, so please don't start a thread of how I absolutley must use this because...., I can appreciate your satisfaction and loyalty, no problem. BUT, is there anyone that can give an opinion of Liquid Glass/ It seems to get good user reviews from those that have posted on the web. Just wondering if anyone HERE that has actually tried it and their experience? I can always return what I bought if it is that bad. Thanks for the help.:cool: |
Back in the 80's my brother and I would use Liquid Glass constantly, back then it was the most advanced stuff we could find. Worked great, very easy on/easy off and piled on the coats for a nice deep gloss. My brother still uses it.
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I think Liquid Glass is a synthetic polymer like Zaino right? If so it should be fine. Klasse products are pretty good I've heard also.
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I just went from using liquid glass (had about 7-8 layers on it) to zaino. Zaino is leagues better. Even though liquid glass was a synthetic, it didn't seem to last that long. Zaino is definitely better than liquid glass, and isn't as involved as people make it out to be as long as you use the accelerator additive. I used to skirt around buying zaino because I wasnt concerned with my car being "show worthy" either, and liquid glass was the best stuff I found. until I went to zaino. Liquid glass made my car look like it was brand new and had just rolled off the assembly line. Zaino made it look better.
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If you are not going to use Zaino (which I personally recommend like so many others) I would use a clay bar and Zymol paste wax on it. Like SO many other things in the world you get what you pay for and even Zymol paste wax is expensive.
Personally in the past I have used Zaino and right before winter applied a nice coat of Zymol titanium to further protect the finish from the salt and what not in my area. Pinnacle and p21s stuff are also very good. Check www.autosupermart.com for their products but they are going to cost similar to Zaino in the end. |
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I have used liquid glass in the past, never even heard of Zaino until this forum, and it does a very nice job. I however prefer the thee step pack from meguir's----1. cleaner 2. polish. 3. gold class liquid wax. it has done very well for me. sometimes repeat steps 2&3 .
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Unless you want to apply coat after coat, clay, wash, wax, wax, use snake oil accelaration additive that probably colored water then stick with Liquid Glass or Klasse. I 've used it all on various cars and keep coming back to LG. It's true that LG doesn't last as long as the Klasse sealant nor Zaino, but for the little effort, widely available, and great shine...LG is hard to beat. I could put toothpaste in a bottle and if I had 20 people on this board rave how good it was...people would buy it and sing the praises too. Zaino is OK, not worth it IMO though. Zaino's leather conditioner sucks too. I hate the greasy feel to it. I prefer Lexol. To each his own..just use what makes ya happy.
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truth told, I've used many, many different waxes. I'll say up front, I've never found anything better than Zaino. I've used Klasse, LG, Pinnacle, Meguiars, Mothers, collinite, and others I'm sure I'm forgetting.
For shine, durability, depth, it's Zaino, hands down. Now about how hard it is to use.... The first couple of steps should be done no matter what wax you use...that is to Dawn wash and clay. If you're not a fanatic, skip those two steps and do the following.... --Z7 Zaino wash --dry --apply the Zaino mix of ZFX/Z2 --Wipe off You're done. The above would take about an hour....MAX! Plus, now it can't be any easier to get Zaino. Go their web site, order the products, it shows up on your doorstep a few days later and you didn't even have to leave your house. As an aside, I find Zaino's leather treatment to be the best I've found, too. You wipe it on (gives your whole interior that "like new" leather smell) let it absorb into your leather and you're done. Once it's absorbed into the leather, there is no greasy/oily mess. |
Humm...let's add it up..
Liquid Glass: $17.99 (I think that's what I paid) ZFX Flash Cure: $19.95 (This supposedly "speeds" up the drying time) Z2: $12.95 $32.90. Tha'ts quit a bit of diffrerence between the price. I've used Zaino on two of my previous cars...a Chrome Silver 350Z and a Blue G35 Coupe. I admit it looked okay, but not worth the time. The amount of effort, mail ordering, etc. didn't have the ohhh ahhh factor I was expecting. Switched back to LG as it's available locally, fairly cheap, and can be layered just like Zaino. I'll break it down like this. If you want the absolute best shine (not a night and day diffrence), have alot of time on your hands to get the best results (multiple coats), and don't plan on waxing much..go with the Zaino as it's very durable. If you want great results with little effort, but don't mind waxing a little more often...go with LG. As far as the leather..I thought it would be a miracle..almost like the second coming as Zaino is the holy grail....after putting it on my wifes Navigator (Creame leather), and my Black leather on the 8..it look liked crap. I had to keep buffing it to get the greasy feel out. Maybe I just got a bad batch? I still prefer Lexol as the best. It's leaves a good feel and smell. To each his own. |
It's only wax, so it doesn't matter to me what anyone uses. Just that I want to use the best on my RX8. The whole idea of Zaino being hard to use just isn't true. It's probably the easiest wax I've ever used. I've had Zaino last 6 months on my previous cars. With winter coming, that's the kind of stuff I need during the winter months when I can't wax the car.
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My first Zaino aplication was time consuminf since I had never used it before and was used to how regular wax works. However, once you get the process down apt, a complete car wash/dry/Z2/Z6 aplication is about an hour and a half. Rememeber, your going over the car 5 times here! So I think timewise it's very good. Zaino rubs on and off way easier than wax too and lasts a lot longer. I have tried at odd times almsot everything else out there for protecting paint and the only other one I had really liked was McGuires. Now I'm a Zaino guy.
Something else a lot of people forget is that 32 dollar Zaino purchase is good for at least a years worth of aplications. If you use it properly once a month thats 12 aplications of Z2 from one bottle. Now if each layer lasts 4-6 months, then your talking about 5 years worth. I dont think it's too expensive :D |
I never heard of zaino until this forum. But it most be good because people on this forum has high expectations which is good and it seems like everyone has approved of zaino
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I've been using Zaino for about 6-7 years, when they were just another "boutique wax". Their success speaks volumes about how good the product is. Plus, they don't advertise, which makes it that much more incredible. I've talked to the founder, Sal Zaino, on the phone several times for waxing tips. Try getting through to the President of Meguiars, or LG, or Klasse.....
Even the independent studies for car wax support the Zaino results. It's few and far between the times where you can call any product "the best". This is one of those rare products. |
I just went ahead and ordered some Z2 and Z3 from Zaino. I'am going to do half the car in Liquid Glass and another in Zaino....one coat only. I want to see if I'am right and people can't tell a turd of difference, or if I'am blown away and switch myself. It should be here by the end of the week and I'll post comparo shots.
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It would also be interesting to see which one lasts longer as well.
Claude H. |
Originally posted by claude4 It would also be interesting to see which one lasts longer as well. Claude H. |
AC
Don't forget to Dawn wash first to strip off whatever you waxed with before. That's the way to see how effective Zaino really is.
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Thanks,
I was curious to see how long it would be B4 one noticed which one held its shine the longest after an equal amount of car washes. Clearly they are both good products and to some the determining factor might be the resiliance of each. Thanks, Claude H. |
Re: AC
Originally posted by graphicguy Don't forget to Dawn wash first to strip off whatever you waxed with before. That's the way to see how effective Zaino really is. |
I heard never use something that is designed to cut grease off of dishes on your paint
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i got some mcguires car wash and tomorrow im going to wax my 8 with liquid glass. pictures at 11. i have a sears orbital buffer/poilsher but the first time i'm going to do it with elbow grease.
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Follow the Zaino instructions to the letter. Yes Dawn dish detergent will strip the wax off. I have no doubt that one coat of liquid Glass will look as good as one coat of Zaino, the beauty of Zaino is you can put layer upon layer - and once you reach 5 layers - nothing comes close to longevity and shine. I have been using Zaino for 5 years and in the 30 years I have been 'waxing' my cars, NOTHING comes close.
Also a bit of wonder: The RX-8 cost's roughly $30k, so why be so frugal when it comes to the cost of the protection of it? |
I haven't forgotten! As I stated in my previous posts I ordered some Zaino and wanted to do a Zaino vs. Liquid Glass comparo...I wasn't too impressed. I've applied 3 coats of Z5 and have gone through an entire bottle of Z2. Did the car look great? Yes, my car does look damn good, I would have to say the Zaino is a LITTLE bit more reflective than the Liquid Glass. Why don't I post pictures? Because I've tried different angles, different lighting, etc...and you cannot tell a difference between the two at all using a camera. THe way I did it was to wax the hood in 2 sections....one with LG..other with Zaino. After I go through the Zaino I'am going back to LG. It seems to dry quicker, a couple of coats brings me close to multiple coats of zaino, easier to take off, and it's available locally. I even went to a car gathering awhile back with shawrf1 and spdspappy and they weren't overly impressed with the Zaino. If you must have the ultimate shine...yea..go with Zaino and tons of coats of it. If you want a shine that's 95% of Zaino, with 2 or less coats...use LG. I wax my car at least once a week so I didn't do any durability tests. One other note...with as much orange peel the RX8 has..the great shine of LG and Zaino really brings it out. Instead of a silky smooth paint (which I expected after tons of coats with each wax), I seemed to get smooth, shiney orange peel. Just my 02
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Thanks Afrocreame,
I will give LG a shot once I get my 8. Should you ever have any opinion to render on LG's longevity, please share it with us. I do not plan on LG'ing my 8 each week. I plan on washing it weekly but hope that a few good coats of LG will get me through the winter, here in Long Island, NY. Your thoughts? Claude H. |
Originally posted by 6speed8 the beauty of Zaino is you can put layer upon layer - and once you reach 5 layers - nothing comes close to longevity and shine. I Don't forget that you can layer Liquid Glass also. Whether using LG or Zaino, be sure to allow at least 4-6 hours "cure time" between coats. Hey RX-GR8, keep us posted on your LG experience. |
Originally posted by AfroCreame Don't forget that you can layer Liquid Glass also. Whether using LG or Zaino, be sure to allow at least 4-6 hours "cure time" between coats. Hey RX-GR8, keep us posted on your LG experience. |
Not sure if LG is compared here, but this link is the reason I went to Zaino and have not been sorry for doing so.
http://www.nsxsc.com/nsexcitement/waxtest.html |
Hey AfroCreame,
I saw in your post where you said you used Z5. You only need to use Z5 to cover swirls/fine scratches, otherwise just use Z2. Z5 is not as 'optically pure' as Z2. |
Originally posted by 6speed8 Hey AfroCreame, I saw in your post where you said you used Z5. You only need to use Z5 to cover swirls/fine scratches, otherwise just use Z2. Z5 is not as 'optically pure' as Z2. |
I haven't forgotten! As I stated in my previous posts I ordered some Zaino and wanted to do a Zaino vs. Liquid Glass comparo...I wasn't too impressed. I've applied 3 coats of Z5 and have gone through an entire bottle of Z2. Did the car look great? Yes, my car does look damn good, I would have to say the Zaino is a LITTLE bit more reflective than the Liquid Glass. Why don't I post pictures? Because I've tried different angles, different lighting, etc...and you cannot tell a difference between the two at all using a camera. THe way I did it was to wax the hood in 2 sections....one with LG..other with Zaino. After I go through the Zaino I'am going back to LG. It seems to dry quicker, a couple of coats brings me close to multiple coats of zaino, easier to take off, and it's available locally. I even went to a car gathering awhile back with shawrf1 and spdspappy and they weren't overly impressed with the Zaino. If you must have the ultimate shine...yea..go with Zaino and tons of coats of it. If you want a shine that's 95% of Zaino, with 2 or less coats...use LG. I wax my car at least once a week so I didn't do any durability tests. One other note...with as much orange peel the RX8 has..the great shine of LG and Zaino really brings it out. Instead of a silky smooth paint (which I expected after tons of coats with each wax), I seemed to get smooth, shiney orange peel. Just my 02 Yes about the orange peel. So many paints are mica or metallic now to hide the peel. |
Personally I think Zaino is a bunch of crap.
A) My experience it gives no more shine. I've tried it, then I had people look at it who didn't know I did half the car w/Zaino and half with Eagle One Wet and they didn't see a difference. B) Applying 5 coats of Zaino twice a year results in 10 coats of wax. I can use regualar wax once a month, spend less time,less money, and have more protection if I really wanted to be that anal. |
Amen
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I havent heard anyone say anything negative about zaino til now |
Originally posted by pr0ber Personally I think Zaino is a bunch of crap. A) My experience it gives no more shine. I've tried it, then I had people look at it who didn't know I did half the car w/Zaino and half with Eagle One Wet and they didn't see a difference. B) Applying 5 coats of Zaino twice a year results in 10 coats of wax. I can use regualar wax once a month, spend less time,less money, and have more protection if I really wanted to be that anal. Anyway, good luck with waxes , after 30 years of 'waxing' my own cars, I personally have found nothing comes close to Zaino. |
Yea....that's the first time I've ever heard anyone post any negatives for Zaino.
I've been using it for years and tried all the other waxes (including LG, Pinnacle, Meguiars, Zymol as well as many others) and have yet to find a wax with the durability, shine and ease of use as Zaino. I think the perception is you have to put many coats on. One coat will give a shine comparable to anything else out there. It will also be the most durable (I've had one coat last 6 months). It's just that the more coats you put on, the shine gets better and better. But, to each his/her own. |
Zaino is a pain in the ass. The directions dont include everything. It took me several tries to get things *perfect.* But once you perfect it, it looks way better than wax. Leave the wax for pubes :D
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Actually, the initial steps are those that should be done to every car to get the absolute best shine and endurance, regardless of the wax used. Things like the Dawn wash and claying to start with a totally clean surface would benefit any wax job. I think those steps are the ones that scare some people. Also, it's hard for people to understand tht Zaino needs to be put on in very thin layers. If they aren't then streaking will occur.
Aside from those steps, I find Zaino to be extremely quick and easy to use. |
Originally posted by graphicguy Yea....that's the first time I've ever heard anyone post any negatives for Zaino. . |
creame....if LG works for you, then of course you should stick with it.
Zaino works for me, so that's what I'm sticking with. Different strokes for different folks..... |
I've noticed one HUGE plus for Zaino over LG. It hardly attracts dust! I can wax my car with LG, drive around a little while and it's covered it fine dust. While the Zaino does attract a little, it's nowhere NEAR LG.
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OK, this is what gets me about Zaino.
They spend all this advertising about "optical clarity". Am I the only person in the world who's car never turned yellow from wax? I've waxed headlights, paint, chrome wheels, got some on windows - wax does not turn frikkin yellow. Melt off? The only time I've even seen wax melt off of a car was in some lame ass Durashine car wax commercial. Its an overpriced wax that relies mostly on a placebo effect in peoples mind to work. ok heres a pic of a 10 year old probe that gets waxed 2 times a year with crappy cheap ass wax except for the single time I zaino'd it. It has the original 10 year old crappy paint that was oxidized like hell before I got it 5 years ago, hasn't been waxed for 2 months in this picture, lives outside 24/7, goes through harsh winters... am I missing something here? |
I can see your point...kinda, but Zaino or any other wax isn't a miracle. You have to have good paint to make Zaino, LG, or Jizz Juice in a Bottle make your paint shine. You start with sh1t, you finish with sh1t. Zaino isn't going to make a crappy 10 year old, oxidized finished look like gloss...get real. Just a little bit of a cheap shot at Zaino. OMG...did I just defend Zaino?
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Got to agree with AfroCreame here. If you have a good finish to begin with, you're going to get better results.
Personally, I don't care what others use. I've used Zaino with great results. I've used a ton of other products, some good....some not so good. I found Zaino to offer the best shine, durability and ease of use of any product I've ever used (in 25 years of owning a car). But, to each his/her own. If something else works better for you, then keep using what you're using. While I've never had any wax turn yellow on my finish, I've seen some cars that have. The downside to the Carnuba waxes are that they "melt" under high heat (like what you would experience on your hood or in hot climates). That's why they don't last very long. I've long been a believer that you get what you pay for. Those of us who do like Zaino or LG or other high end wax don't buy into the "placebo" affect you allude to. We see real real differences between the "cheap" stuff and Zaino, LG, Pinnacle and some of the other higher end waxes. Prober....sounds like you aren't the fanatic as some of us are about our finish. Since you aren't "fanatical", you probably can't tell a difference. That's OK, too. Like AfroCreame, I want my finish to look its best, not merely "good enough". That's where we differ. |
graphicguy, check your PMs, please.
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Wax does yellow, but it's a gradual process that happens over time so you don't see it. What you do notice (with wax) is that it's time to wax it again, and once you do (and as you are doing it) you step back and go 'wow' now that's a great shine.
Why do you think a freshly waxed car looks better? Because (if done right) the old wax is removed (along with the yellowed. dulling layer) and the true color of the paint and shine is revealed. With Zaino the car always looks the same, never dull, but each layer brings out more depth and shine. As for the process of applying Zaino, I personally think it is easier. It is just the initial prepping that takes time, but after that, it is a breeze. |
LG is the only wax that I use on my car. The stuff is great and it last a pretty long time. Just put on 2 coats and then each time you wash your car just use some spray-on wipe-off detail wax and you will be good to go. I wouldn't trust any other wax on my $2200 paint.
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Originally posted by AfroCreame Humm...let's add it up.. Liquid Glass: $17.99 (I think that's what I paid) ZFX Flash Cure: $19.95 (This supposedly "speeds" up the drying time) Z2: $12.95 $32.90. Tha'ts quit a bit of diffrerence between the price. I've used Zaino on two of my previous cars...a Chrome Silver 350Z and a Blue G35 Coupe. I admit it looked okay, but not worth the time. The amount of effort, mail ordering, etc. didn't have the ohhh ahhh factor I was expecting. Switched back to LG as it's available locally, fairly cheap, and can be layered just like Zaino. I'll break it down like this. If you want the absolute best shine (not a night and day diffrence), have alot of time on your hands to get the best results (multiple coats), and don't plan on waxing much..go with the Zaino as it's very durable. If you want great results with little effort, but don't mind waxing a little more often...go with LG. As far as the leather..I thought it would be a miracle..almost like the second coming as Zaino is the holy grail....after putting it on my wifes Navigator (Creame leather), and my Black leather on the 8..it look liked crap. I had to keep buffing it to get the greasy feel out. Maybe I just got a bad batch? I still prefer Lexol as the best. It's leaves a good feel and smell. To each his own. Well for all the praise that this Zaino has, I think im going to purchase the kit, I feel like I have been brainwashed by you all :p |
I've used quite a few different waxes on MANY different cars, most black, and the liquid glass still looks the best... I currently own a black C43 Benz with 64000 miles. Nothing has ever looked as good or protected as long as the LG.
Keep in mind, you can do the DAWN strip/claybar/prep/wax with ANY type of wax, not just Zaino. This is indeed what I did with the LG, stripped and clayed with Meguiars, and since LG doesn't need a glaze, you can skip right to applying coats of LG. Shine is fantastic. |
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