Where to put a brake pressure sensor?
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Where to put a brake pressure sensor?
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I want to add a brake pressure sensor to my datalogger. Now is the time to do it, in between seasons and with the car up on stands. Since the RX-8's ABS has control over front to rear braking force, where should I put that thing?
Thanks,
Nick
I want to add a brake pressure sensor to my datalogger. Now is the time to do it, in between seasons and with the car up on stands. Since the RX-8's ABS has control over front to rear braking force, where should I put that thing?
Thanks,
Nick
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You would need hardware and software that would allow you to receive the data from the bus. It's basically a lot of hex data strings that the various CAN modules send out on the bus. The signal is a 500hz one... I have figured out some of them... and I think I have enough to get the PS and dash to work for most things. I will have to find someone local time borrow the data from I guess
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does S2 cars have brake pressure or bake switch signal through CAN? I have AIM DL 2 and been trying to get brake signal but none of the protocol i tried worked.
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All DSC cars have a brake line pressure sensor but I don't know if it is accessible via CAN. You'd probably have to convert it to some usable units which would require your own sensor for calibration but I'm just guessing.
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According to OBD Fusion with the $10 Mazda add-on pack, the ABS/TC module is on "Network B" (with the Restraint Control Module) and there is a PID for Master Cylinder Pressure. The unit options given are kPa, inHg, and psi. OBD Fusion only lets you connect two one of the two networks at a time. Apparently, the RX-8 has two CAN networks; ISO 9141 and ISO 11898 (MS/HS CAN). I guess both are made available via the plug but my hardware/software combo can only address one at a time.
FWIW, network A includes EPS, instrument cluster, ECU, remote keyleses entry and TPMS modules.
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Well, ****. If we could find the PID and decode it, then None of us would need a pressure sensor.
I’ll try to find a CAN log. My car is not currently running. I wonder if I could dump one out anyway, with just the ignition on...
I’ll try to find a CAN log. My car is not currently running. I wonder if I could dump one out anyway, with just the ignition on...
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The catch being that you'd have to be monitoring both CAN networks simultaneously if you wanted both ECU data and ABS/DSC data at the same time. Theoretically, if your data logger doesn't support interfacing with more than one CAN bus at the same time, you could bridge the two with an Arduino and a pair of CAN shields. Just have the Arduino poll the brake pressure PID periodically via one shield and store the data. Then have it respond to polling requests for that data via the other shield.
But yah, finding the PID should be as easy as connecting your CAN logger and ELM327 to the ABS/DSC network and logging the desired PID from both devices. Then just cross reference the data to get the module ID and PID.
But yah, finding the PID should be as easy as connecting your CAN logger and ELM327 to the ABS/DSC network and logging the desired PID from both devices. Then just cross reference the data to get the module ID and PID.
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well that's good to know. now just have to keep bugging AIM to get it working with the DL. they have several protocol for rx8. one works with AFR and water temp but the RPM is jacked up. the other one rpm works fine but AFR and water temp doesnt work.
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Wait, I'm having the same RPM problem with my AiM, and that's all I need from it. How to you get the RPM to work? Mine only works if I disconnect the ABS unit.
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Granted, it hasn’t event been able to read CAN and OBDII without messing with the car. So I think going the simpler route of an analog pressure sensor is the way to go.