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Old Aug 26, 2010 | 01:58 PM
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When Krolewicz has his pics up, please post a link!
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Old Aug 26, 2010 | 05:31 PM
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Just kidding, but I did look up the AST's you were talking about. According to Vorshlag's website the only suspesion offered for the RX8 is the 5000 series kit. It's a single adjustable, monotube setup with remote resovoirs. The list price is about $2,800.
That $2800 does not include springs or top hats. They are about to release a new 4210 kit for the RX8 without the remote reserviors which should (hopefully) cost less.

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Old Aug 27, 2010 | 11:35 AM
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Michael,

Pics taken by the elder David Ogburn can be found here:
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Found this one of your car:



I also liked this one of Shawn:



And Katie:


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Old Aug 27, 2010 | 12:22 PM
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That shot is pretty cool! But damn I want a shot with the ocean in the background! I know somebody has one!
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 02:59 PM
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Another ECU tuning option?

Came across this on miata.net when the Harvey/Rogers MX-5 went with this for their STR tune.

http://www.hypertech.com/



Tirerack sells this system for the RX-8 on their website: http://www.tirerack.com/engine_tunin...6&autoModClar=

Hypertech has a dyno graph for an automatic (1st page) and manual (2nd page) RX-8 here: http://www.hypertech.com/Performance..._Automatic.pdf

While used Cobb AP's are still abundant, it's nice to see another option on the market. I'm trying to get more info about it and find out if the tune can be optimized by a Dyno Shop to account for mods like an intake, headers, high flow cat, etc.
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Old Sep 1, 2010 | 02:37 PM
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Well...Went to get an alignment today...Looks like the front left camber bolt is seized up...Don't know how, we tried air hammer..everything to get it to come loose, wouldn't budge. Now i'm running -2.2 in the front left and -2.8 front right
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Old Sep 1, 2010 | 07:54 PM
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That's weird Mike. I assume your RX-8 isn't your daily driver? Funny how those bolts can become seized over time. Any chance you can cut it off and replace it with a new one after Nats?
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Old Sep 1, 2010 | 08:38 PM
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^I'll be able to replace it just fine, but unfortunately it won't be until after Lincoln.

And my RX8 is my daily...But My weekly commute is maybe 30-40 miles..Over the summer it was probably only 15. I work close to home
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Old Sep 1, 2010 | 09:10 PM
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Pretty common in areas where they use salt on the roads in winter. Salt=rust=blowtorch to free up bolts or cut them out.
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Old Sep 1, 2010 | 09:52 PM
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Never driven in the snow, or on salty roads...
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Old Sep 2, 2010 | 07:24 AM
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PB Blaster, Torch, Hammer. Works *every time*

Good luck and see you in a few days!
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TopGear8
Well...Went to get an alignment today...Looks like the front left camber bolt is seized up...Don't know how, we tried air hammer..everything to get it to come loose, wouldn't budge. Now i'm running -2.2 in the front left and -2.8 front right
Looks like you're not the only one with a funky alignment...

During the last 6-8 weeks, I've noticed that my car had picked up a mid-corner to corner-exit push -- most noticeable in left hand sweepers. My steering wheel had also become noticeably off-center when driving down a straight road. Well, I got my alignment checked today. Seems like I had a 1/2" of toe out on the front passenger side wheel. LOL.

She's back to -2.5 degrees per side up front, along with 0.00 toe and 7 degrees of caster (up from my previous setting of 6.5 degrees). Still on the stock front a-arms, so I'm happy with these specs.

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Old Sep 4, 2010 | 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BRODA
That $2800 does not include springs or top hats. They are about to release a new 4210 kit for the RX8 without the remote reserviors which should (hopefully) cost less.
Yea the top hats aren't included, but it says springs are. If you get custom springs it's extra. I wasn't aware that they were releasing a new kit from the RX8. I'm looking into the 4100 series myself for the E36 M3. Most people I have talked claim that AST's are the best suspension in that price range($2,000.)
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by chiketkd
Looks like you're not the only one with a funky alignment...

During the last 6-8 weeks, I've noticed that my car had picked up a mid-corner to corner-exit push -- most noticeable in left hand sweepers. My steering wheel had also become noticeably off-center when driving down a straight road. Well, I got my alignment checked today. Seems like I had a 1/2" of toe out on the front passenger side wheel. LOL.

She's back to -2.5 degrees per side up front, along with 0.00 toe and 7 degrees of caster (up from my previous setting of 6.5 degrees). Still on the stock front a-arms, so I'm happy with these specs.
Are there aftermarket a-arms available? Could you point me in the right direction.
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mrhongkongwong
Are there aftermarket a-arms available? Could you point me in the right direction.
Jeff,

First off congrats on your win in ST at Nats in the '91 civic si. That win definitely gave hope to those w/o the magic year '89!

Mazda Motorsports sells the competition RX-8 front a-arms. I do not have the part #'s handy, but I know TeamRX8 had a set on STU car (possibly has them on his STX RX-8) and might have the part #'s handy.

--Chike

P.S. FWIW, on the stock front a-arms, at my current 13.5" ride height F&R (center of hub to top of wheel arch), I can get up to -2.7 on the front left, and ~-3.2 on the front right IIRC (may have the sides reversed). I just choose to run -2.5 (based on tire rollover, tire temps, etc).
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Old Sep 15, 2010 | 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by chiketkd
Jeff,

First off congrats on your win in ST at Nats in the '91 civic si. That win definitely gave hope to those w/o the magic year '89!

Mazda Motorsports sells the competition RX-8 front a-arms. I do not have the part #'s handy, but I know TeamRX8 had a set on STU car (possibly has them on his STX RX-8) and might have the part #'s handy.

--Chike

P.S. FWIW, on the stock front a-arms, at my current 13.5" ride height F&R (center of hub to top of wheel arch), I can get up to -2.7 on the front left, and ~-3.2 on the front right IIRC (may have the sides reversed). I just choose to run -2.5 (based on tire rollover, tire temps, etc).
Thanks for the kind words.

I'll give Mazda Motorsports a call tomorrow. My current front ride height is approx 1/4" lower then your car. I still have to mess around with it some. Are you still running the 255 Hankooks?
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Old Sep 15, 2010 | 08:32 AM
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I'm not aware of any Motorsport control arms. The lower Motorsport control arm bushings are good for 1/2 degree camber, but not ST legal (spherical bearing in an aluminum housing).

Somebody had a custom set of upper arms made back in the STU days. Somebody else was trying to CNC some upper arms for more turning/tire clearance on an SCCA track car. Not sure if he ever did or not and whether they added camber.
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Old Sep 15, 2010 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by mrhongkongwong
Are you still running the 255 Hankooks?
Correct. 255/40/17 Hankooks.

I'm not sure how much more I'll be developing my STX car as it's likely I'll be driving a GS car next season.
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I'm not aware of any Motorsport control arms. The lower Motorsport control arm bushings are good for 1/2 degree camber, but not ST legal (spherical bearing in an aluminum housing).

Somebody had a custom set of upper arms made back in the STU days. Somebody else was trying to CNC some upper arms for more turning/tire clearance on an SCCA track car. Not sure if he ever did or not and whether they added camber.
My apologies to Jeff. Thanks for the clarification Mark.
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Old Sep 15, 2010 | 09:07 AM
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Jeff,

Not sure about legality, but you may want to contact the OP in this thread:

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=3318252

Edit: From looking at his description, it looks like these use spherical bearings and would not be legal:

Originally Posted by ebb
Not sure what classes allow this (besides my own) but these will allow almost unlimited camber/caster settings. Heim joints on the inner and spherical bearing on the outer.
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Old Sep 15, 2010 | 10:19 AM
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Heim/spherical metal bearings aren't allowed in ST.
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Old Sep 15, 2010 | 10:54 AM
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I did see those lower control arm bushings on the Mazda Motorsports website. Didn't look legal for ST. Oh well, thanks for the info!
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Old Sep 16, 2010 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
Somebody had a custom set of upper arms made back in the STU days.
that was prolly me or at least i did have some made. i still have them in my basement i think...
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Old Sep 17, 2010 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by shinronin
that was prolly me or at least i did have some made. i still have them in my basement i think...
Did you have a local machine shop make them? Would they still have the specs to make some more.

If you can check and see if you still have them. Sounds like Jeff would like to source a set.
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Old Sep 17, 2010 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by chiketkd
Did you have a local machine shop make them? Would they still have the specs to make some more.
an outfit in WI made them for me from their jig which they'd developed for a customer who wanted upper arms for rallying. i'll have to check my notes on how much negative camber they allowed, but it was quite substantial. they'd be ideal for a camber challenged rx8.
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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by chiketkd
While used Cobb AP's are still abundant, it's nice to see another option on the market. I'm trying to get more info about it and find out if the tune can be optimized by a Dyno Shop to account for mods like an intake, headers, high flow cat, etc.
These are getting popular in the MS3 and MS6 crowd so I have done a bit of research. They are not "tunable" by anyone but Hypertech. Hypertech has published a few maps for the MS3/6 to account for various levels of mild modification. I don't think they have any tune options for the 8 yet.

Hypertech is a vendor on one of the other forums I'm active on. Heres a link to some more information.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...ight=Hypertech
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