Not to be argumentative, but how much faster is a fully prepped, well driven Z06 than a fully prepped, well driven 996, and how much faster is the 996 than an S2000?

I think the difference is within run-to-run or driver-to-driver repeatability, but the real situation is that no one will invest the money to find out when they percieve that there is a significant difference.

Hell, people on this forum are debating whether mounting their exhaust on the left or the right will give them 2 tenths! :lol:

You can look at past results and get an idea... Multi time champ Matt Murray ran a 996 911 (non GT-3) at the 2004 natls. 15th in SS. FWIW his time would have put him 2nd in AS (if all things were equal those days).

I think there is enough gap between SS and AS for another class, with a great mix of cars. I know I would think about going there..... Now the question is with what??? C5 (non-Z), 996 911 :) , RX-7tt. That would be my short list of cars I could get cheap and go fast in.

This is what I posted on the SCCA forums board:

My vote: short term, do nothing. BS is strong and becoming increasingly affordable for the "spec car" with the underwhelming resale of RX8's, ES is growing like a weed and CS will mend itself, once the players sort themselves out...

The only REAL reason, based on currently available cars, to consider "uber stock" is to allow the SC Loti a place to play in stock...which is not enough reason to disrupt multiple apple carts.

And, regarding the timing of a possible XS/uber stock class:

And, as others have said, at the entry level price point we are talking about (approx. $75k, ready to go), I can't imagine this type of class as a "build it and they will come" type of proposition...no one is going to step up and do the experimentation and work to see if the next $100k+ SuperZoomy GT is going to be a player. Give these new cars some time to clarify both their capability and resale market value and then you might have enough data to make a decision. It's one thing to buy a four year old GT3 for $75-80k, knowing it works and can be resold for $65-70k at anytime...it's another to buy a new ZR-1 at $125k and not know if it will work or if it will hold any value...

The other thing is, with the current thinking going on at the major manufacturers (global economic concerns, cost of gasoline, demand for various product types) it may very well be that there aren't that many new SuperZoomy GT's in the planning stages, which further takes away any sense of urgency in making this XS/uber classing decision...

funny that we made excuse after excuse on why not to combine all the Minis together the last several years out of fear of disenfanchising owners, but now have these proposals on the table

a vibration is a motion that can't make up it's mind on which way to go, also see SEB/SAC .... :lol2:

Damn! Jason beat me to it! I knew I should have kept the 7!
Although if I did, the'd do the tweener but leave the TT with the ZO6 class anyway:banghead:

I agree 110%. I also believe that CS will grow if given time. The ZOK has not been around long enough to have big numbers. It will with time.

The one thing that needs to be said, whatever your vote, the only way it will count is by writing a letter to the SEB, seb@scca.com I did.

I'm also in agreement with mwood. CS currently has 28 registered while FS sits at 27 -- I don't see anyone fretting about the numbers in the FS.

I personally feel a tweener class between SS and AS would be better subscribed than a new uber stock. However, most of the cars that would go into this tweener class should probably be in AS already! :lol:

I'll write my letter this week.

Put the TTRX in a class between AS and SS and I would bring mine out of mothballs to run it.
FM

You could not beat a C4 in yours, not much of a chance in a faster class. :stickpoke :FIREdevil

I was wondering when he'd be back to receive his just comeupance regarding Packwood predictions :wink2:

There's no way the Slobalt was going to run with us on the Packwood courses, but FM also had reason for being off his game...kind of like my story on day two at the Pro, it is hard to dial in when you have external situations to deal with that are far more important than autocross...well, unless you're a Michael Schumaker or similar...

it wasn't just for himself, but the entire NW All Dominating Autox Team

the Slobalt was dead meat in DS long before Mike hopped in one, anybody who's watched Strelnicks run the 135 knows this ...

+1 I saw Beth & Erik run the car at the Toledo Pro and was duly impressed!!! :cool:

I'll steal some lines from Baghead himself:
Uh...We were testing some stuff out this weekend and figured a few things out..
Car wasn't working right...
We had a shock problem(ok...that part is true!).
+ as OneDayMike said, some stuff going on familywise that is getting better now:) . Is that enough excuses?

I am impressed that on SCCAforums pick the winner thing(if it is on the internet, it must true)DS has the most "pick to win" people over 10 votes in an open class.
I don't think anyone knows what is going to happen. Hey! We might get our butts kicked but we might not.

I think I could do ok in my ol' TTRX nowadays..Learned a few things since Mr Ullose put me in the club like 8 years ago with his C4. I don't think I would have been able to run with Mr. McWOW at the Pro though. He was cooking.

FM

OH! Beth was mad at the 135 at Packwood. Sure slaloms well though. Some other elements, it didn't look as good..

My bet is that even if Tweener Stock became a reality, the FD would remain in Super Stock, much for the same reason it hasn't been moved down to A Stock (too old, too rare, too hard to find an unmolested one).

That doesn't stop me from missing my old '93...

I'm seriously contemplating picking up an Elise (non-SC) for next year in SS.

Separately, I agree that a tweener class would be fantastic. As mentioned, there are a ton of fun cars right in the middle that really need a tweener class to play in, because they have nowhere useful right now.

Letter sent to the SEB in support of the above.

If an uber stock is created, it should not be done by disrupting the current BS, CS & ES classes. A supplemental class should be created instead.

Update: Got my log book # from Brian Harmer. That was quick! :eek: