Notices
RX-8 Racing Want to discuss autocrossing, road-racing and drag racing the RX-8? Bring it here. This is NOT a kills/street racing forum.

Series 1 Fuel Pump on Track- What Was Your Solution?

Thread Tools
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Sep 8, 2013 | 02:45 PM
  #51  
dannobre's Avatar
Modulated Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 13,720
Likes: 345
From: Smallville
Without a surge tank that will result in the HP pump starving and a pressure drop out just like using the OEM pump as a primary...so not a lot of help

There needs to be enough reserve in whatever encloses the primary pump to prevent the pump from running out of fuel

I think I have tried about 8 different setups....that's why I can tell you what didn't work...I think I tried almost everything humanly possiblebefore I said F it and did the surge tank setup

And if anyone thinks there setup works..post it up..but remember I'm talking about a track setup that is pulling over 1.5G's when it causes issues...not slow assed track day stuff
Reply
Old Sep 9, 2013 | 08:39 AM
  #52  
kbrewmr2's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 326
Likes: 0
From: Houston, TX
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
I suppose the more I think it through the more two low pressure pumps in the tank feeding an external fuel filter with the external high pressure pump pulling from the bottom of it makes more sense
bonus of using a fuel filter - need not be certified. A pure surge tank needs to meet the same ratings that a fuel cell does.
Reply
Old Sep 9, 2013 | 09:17 AM
  #53  
dannobre's Avatar
Modulated Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 13,720
Likes: 345
From: Smallville
Originally Posted by kbrewmr2
bonus of using a fuel filter - need not be certified. A pure surge tank needs to meet the same ratings that a fuel cell does.
And as long as you stay NA...you don't even need that
Reply
Old Sep 9, 2013 | 12:57 PM
  #54  
ScubaSteve8's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 309
Likes: 1
From: Toronto
Dannobre, post some pics of your surge tank setup - I'm curious to see it! Also, are you running a fire suppression system in your car?
Reply
Old Sep 9, 2013 | 01:13 PM
  #55  
dannobre's Avatar
Modulated Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 13,720
Likes: 345
From: Smallville
No fire supression...other than a halon extinguisher mounted where I can get at it easily I still have a stockish interior so they don't work too well anyway
Reply
Old Sep 9, 2013 | 08:21 PM
  #56  
TeamRX8's Avatar
Registered
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 26,936
Likes: 2,141
Originally Posted by kbrewmr2
bonus of using a fuel filter - need not be certified. A pure surge tank needs to meet the same ratings that a fuel cell does.
assuming it's allowed period, in my case not.
Reply
Old Mar 26, 2014 | 10:24 PM
  #57  
victor13b's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 128
Likes: 1
hellO!
i have a rx8 rew !
but i see you install a 2nd pump in passenger side!
in my car i have a walbro 400 in driver side ! but i have problem to suck from passenger side!
i planning to install a oem rx8 fuel pump with oem canister in passenger side (i think the complete housing feet) to send fuel to driver side@ and change the fuel return to passenger side! you think that work?
Reply
Old Mar 27, 2014 | 08:08 AM
  #58  
MaD666MaX's Avatar
Rew rew rew your boat
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 621
Likes: 36
From: Montreal, Qc
You will lose the fuel level sensor, need some plumbing and electrical work but will work. Not perfect solution but will work. Best solution is a stock pump feeding a surge tank. I might try 034motorsport surge tank with a 044 inside the tank. Radium is nice too but expensive
Reply
Old Mar 27, 2014 | 08:53 AM
  #59  
dannobre's Avatar
Modulated Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 13,720
Likes: 345
From: Smallville
The fuel level sensor will still work...needs a small bit of fiddling to keep it working. The issue is more how you hook things up....and if you plan on track driving or not
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2014 | 04:22 AM
  #60  
victor13b's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 128
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by MaD666MaX
You will lose the fuel level sensor, need some plumbing and electrical work but will work. Not perfect solution but will work. Best solution is a stock pump feeding a surge tank. I might try 034motorsport surge tank with a 044 inside the tank. Radium is nice too but expensive
why lose the level sensor .I keep the wiring OEM . I don't mod that part
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2014 | 06:05 AM
  #61  
airman90's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 63
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by victor13b
in my car i have a walbro 400 in driver side !
How did you mount the walbro 400 inside the canister
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2014 | 07:46 AM
  #62  
victor13b's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 128
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by airman90
How did you mount the walbro 400 inside the canister
I buy Walbridge400 for e85 is short like 400regular . and some mods in canister. I have a picture comparative OEM rx8 pump and walbro 400 e85
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2014 | 07:51 AM
  #63  
victor13b's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 128
Likes: 1
here
walbro 400e85 and rx8 2004 factory
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b5mf5bvrb1...1502774191.jpg
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2014 | 08:36 AM
  #64  
dannobre's Avatar
Modulated Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 13,720
Likes: 345
From: Smallville
the level sensor comes off the pedestal in the passenger side...you just need to rewire the plug and add the power wires and attach the sensor to the side of the pump housing to get the OEM pump to work and the sensor
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2014 | 08:41 AM
  #65  
victor13b's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 128
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by dannobre
the level sensor comes off the pedestal in the passenger side...you just need to rewire the plug and add the power wires and attach the sensor to the side of the pump housing to get the OEM pump to work and the sensor
I planned to install other OEM driver side canister with OEM pump in the passenger side. I see the level sensor connector and fit to OEM connector in the canister. the only unknown is when use OEM pump in passenger side goes empty .for that problem I get relocate the return fuel from engine to feed passenger side
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2014 | 08:47 AM
  #66  
dannobre's Avatar
Modulated Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 13,720
Likes: 345
From: Smallville
I just put in a switch so I can shut it off when I am not on track

I also left the OEM suction assembly hooked up and attached the pickup to the pump body...
Be careful how you plumb the returns so the fuel stays in the cups as much as possible...thats where you will have problems.

Are you running return style system?
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2014 | 08:56 AM
  #67  
victor13b's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 128
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by dannobre
I just put in a switch so I can shut it off when I am not on track

I also left the OEM suction assembly hooked up and attached the pickup to the pump body...
Be careful how you plumb the returns so the fuel stays in the cups as much as possible...thats where you will have problems.

Are you running return style system?
I have aero motive1@1 with return to the driver side tank
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2014 | 09:02 AM
  #68  
dannobre's Avatar
Modulated Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 13,720
Likes: 345
From: Smallville
You will have problems with the pickup like that. ... the pump will pump out the canister faster than it can be refilled or stay full. A return system really should have a surge tank to prevent that.
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2014 | 09:45 AM
  #69  
victor13b's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 128
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by dannobre
You will have problems with the pickup like that. ... the pump will pump out the canister faster than it can be refilled or stay full. A return system really should have a surge tank to prevent that.
the return go direct to canister feeding fuel . i think if the rx8 pump feed much fuel faster to the driver side of the tank i regulate the pump with a reaistance en positive cable or instal a low press fuel pump.
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2014 | 12:14 PM
  #70  
dannobre's Avatar
Modulated Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 13,720
Likes: 345
From: Smallville
I did it that way first... that's why I said something
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2014 | 01:00 PM
  #71  
victor13b's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 128
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by dannobre
I did it that way first... that's why I said something
ohk.so exactly what problem you have when do that mod.
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2014 | 10:26 PM
  #72  
dannobre's Avatar
Modulated Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 13,720
Likes: 345
From: Smallville
I found the pump starved earlier with a return system...especially with a higher thn OEM capacity main pump....

Especially on the track where the fuel would spill out of the cup more than on the street
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2014 | 07:08 AM
  #73  
victor13b's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 128
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by dannobre
I found the pump starved earlier with a return system...especially with a higher thn OEM capacity main pump....

Especially on the track where the fuel would spill out of the cup more than on the street
OK you said the passenger tank goes empty with the OEM pump in the passenger tank with feeding the return fuel inside the passenger tank?
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2014 | 10:37 AM
  #74  
dannobre's Avatar
Modulated Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 13,720
Likes: 345
From: Smallville
No
I said that the fuel cups tend to empty faster than they are refilled when there is a high cap pump and a return style system. That you need to be very careful how you set up the returns so you don't make it worse than the stock returnless system
And that it didn't work for me on the track
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2014 | 12:44 PM
  #75  
MaD666MaX's Avatar
Rew rew rew your boat
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 621
Likes: 36
From: Montreal, Qc
Surge tank is the way to go
Reply


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:52 AM.