VarneyMazda

I got this guy who is talking smack about the Rx-8 who owns a 91 nsx.

Basically i have every suspension mod you can do, underbracing, sways, strut bars, HKS coilovers, adjustable endlinks etc. Brand new rubber,
the only kinda crappy part are my staggered fitment volks. My rx8 is also greddy turbo'd with a cat delete pipe and a HKS hi power. running on a int-x


the nsx is pretty much stock suspension wise, i think it might have lowering springs, Intake, Header, exhaust, and a exedy clutch.


do i stand a fighting chance?

imput1234

iTrader: (6)

depends on the driver.

MazdaJeff

I hate to say it, but it's all about the driver......


^^Dam beat me to it.....

Falken

Even if you squeeze 270whp out of your RX-8 he's got you by 100lbs at least. You have to out-drive him.

restiller

Do NSX's snap oversteer like MR2's? I've always wondered this. Subscribing to know the outcome. You'll never know until you try.

mysql

if a stock 91 nsx gets 260 whp and 200 torque, that means his power is very similar to yours. So it does sound like will be close.

If you got the GReddy turbo upgrade from Jeff, you'd be able to do +60 whp and +60 torque at close to the same PSI as you run now (I assume you're in the 8-9 psi range and getting 270 whp from your greddy kit), and easily beat the NSX..

AJ's Shinka

Gut your car just for good measure, then kill em. RX8's are handling monsters!

SayNoToPistons

iTrader: (8)

According to a NSX/FD owner. The NSX is easy to handle but if the FD is in the right hands on track, the FD can take the NSX in terms of handling. Some food for thought?

NeoTuri

The NSX is a very forgiving car. No weakness, yet nothing really super in any specific area.

The Rx-8 can handle just as well, question is, if the driver can keep up.

kartweb

No. The NSX has a far superior suspension geometry as well as rock solid mounting points. MR2's are pretty good cars, but no where near the NSX or RX8 in suspension layout.

Given equal drivers the NSX has a couple of advantages over an RX8. The RX8 cab brake later into a turn which is a big help on passing. Exiting the turn is where an NSX really shines as it can put down the power sooner. That extra 1-2 MPH exiting a turn is carried the entire way down the straight - say its a 20 second straight, and all else being equal thats a gain of 30-60 feet. The outbraking won't help the RX8 with that much of a lead. But thats not on every turn, so it depends a bit on the track.

The published HP for most NSX's is below the actual power. I would bet if the owner ran it on a dynojet he would see closer to 290 HP rather then the 270 advrertised HP. Insurance ratings.

The stock RX8 is certainly easier to drive consistently fast then an NSX. Just adding heavier stuff doesn't mean it's tuned to the track better, which is part of the problem with the NSX. The less motion in the suspension due to stiffer settings, the more crucial tuning damping to a particular track conditions becomes in regards to driving ease.

A properly tuned RX8 with 270 HP will definately give an NSX a run for the money at tracks like Mid Ohio and Lime Rock. The front half of Road Atlanta will belong to the RX8, the back half will belong to the NSX. Road America would be a near equal match. Summit Point will favor the NSX and Motorsports Ranch (both of them) will be owned by the NSX.

mysql

btw i got the 270/200 number from this guy's dyno run:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=izZ_OvyY5tE

TrochoidMagic

sorry to say... but i wouldn't underestimate the mods that nsx has. with a superior suspension... are there much to improve on? and it really depends on how much the driver can utilize the coilover settings...

not to mention the low nose and lower center of gravity of even a stock nsx.
but if u are really good and consistent, that might be your advantage as a mid-engine lay-out cars are harder to drive and perfect.

at least thats my take on this subject. i would consider myself average in skill. and if he'd match my skill... i don't see myself beating him into submission.

just my 2cent

AJ's Shinka

Starting to get a bad feeling about this...

luv4eternity

put it behind the wheel ... u'll nvr know if u just talk about it ....all u need is confidence in your self ....as a fellow 8 , u better beat the crap out of that nsx ....or hope that he has no skills ~

krush7

i could not keep up with a pretty much stock looking nsx this weekend at streets of willow this past weekend. rx8 stock brakes are probably the best you can get, i was outbraking the nsx (and most cars out there -- no brake fade all weekend), but his exit speeds were higher. nsx rotates very well through the corners. main straight he pulled fast. since you are turbo it may be a bit more even.

NoRotorNoMotor

Challenge your buddy to a race around the track .... with two kids in the back seat.

'nuff said.

VarneyMazda

Ftw. We are setting it up but now I found out he's got a 100 shot. So my chances just faded quickly!

Time to call the rgonza and get a 20b ready!!!

Lol

Benjamz

maybe the 100 shot is there to make up for he lack of driving skill?????

you might still stand a chance

elysium19

iTrader: (1)

Clearly it's hard to say, but it sounds like the two cars fall within each other as far as potential performance goes. The primary determining variable will be driver skill.

Do you have any significant track time? And where will this be held, and how well do you know that specific track?

I'll be following this thread, it's pretty juicy, can't wait to see what happens... Oh, and if it's local I will totally come down to watch!

TopGear8

iTrader: (3)

Time to upgrade to the MM turbo!

olddragger

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i have the pettit kit and i would love to run a nsx at road atlanta. it is somewhat of a drivers track.
If he is using nitrous on a road track he aint smart.
olddragger

HeavyMetal699

I've yet to make it to a real track, but my guess from autocrossing is that if neither of you have much track experience you will both be passed by 'lesser' cars on the track.

I'd rather be a good driver in a bad car than a bad driver in a good car. After a few autocross events there is a noticable gap between good drivers and bad drivers.

That said if you want to win no matter what I suggest R-compounds and some sort of racing brake pads. You will be able to stop faster and later, accelerate sooner and harder.

Red Devil

I think you'd fail tech inspections at any of the tracks here in the midwest if you showed up with nitrous.

I have my doubts any track would allow it.

devildog1679

You are correct, last time at RA a guy in a Mustang was not allowed to run. He had to take his tank out. They checked him at the grid every time. It was track rules.

Red Devil

Yep, that this guy thinks he can take his bottle on the track tells me he has zero clue what he's doing.