Nationals Results
 

http://scca.com/Event/Result.asp?Ref2=337

Go Carter!
B Stock Drivers: 36 Trophies: 10
T 1 48 Jason Isley 2005 Mazda RX8 Slv Kumho 52.157 50.462 50.810 50.462
Ladera Ranch, CA MazdaSpeed/Kumho San Diego
T 2 198 Carter Thompson 2005 Nissan 350Z Ylw Kumho 51.454 51.560 50.877 50.877
[98] Murfreesboro, TN VetteSport/Koni Tennessee (0.415)
T 3 5 Asher Wunderl 2004 Mazda RX8 Slv Kumho 52.556 51.991 50.988 50.988
North Little Rock, A Sherwood Tire Pros Arkansas R (0.111)
T 4 164 Joe Goeke 2005 Mazda Rx8 Blk Kumho 51.107 51.334 51.507 51.107
[64] Kirkland, WA Team Butt Heat! Northwest (0.119)
T 5 66 Keith P Casey 2004 Mazda RX8 Grn Kumho 51.689 51.343 51.589 51.343
Somerset, MA RallyDecals.com New Englan (0.236)
T 6 84 Dennis G Sparks 2004 Maxda RX-8 Red Kumho 52.549 52.762 51.683 51.683
Madison, AL Teamtac.org Tennessee (0.340)
T 7 91 Brandon Davis 2006 Mazda RX-8 Slv Kumho 54.263 52.870 51.720 51.720
[191] Draper, UT Utah Regio (0.037)
T 8 93 Jason Munchhof 2004 Mazda RX-8 Blu Hoosier 53.531 52.657 52.094 52.094
[193] San Diego, CA San Diego (0.374)
T 9 187 Aaron R Buckley 2004 Mazda RX-8 Slv Hoosier 54.906(1) 52.144 52.383 52.144
[87] Charlotte, NC Tarheel Motorsports North Caro (0.050)
T10 64 Stephen Hui 2005 Mazda RX-8 Blk Kumho 52.354 52.254 52.165 52.165
[164] Bellevue, WA The Porsche 968 is still Northwest (0.021)

How did that Nissan sneek in there?

He's a former National Champion in an MR2 Turbo. The fastest one of those was a few places down from cars listed, in 13th, just out of trophies. Looks like most of the top guys are former National champs. Congrats to Dennis Sparks and Mike Cavanaugh representing the Southeast along with Jim Reyenga in that MR2 turbo I mentioned, and Aaron Buckley (NoCones might have trophied without jury duty)who is the only top guy on Hoosier tires. (oops noticed that Jason Munchof is also on Hoosiers in 8th right before Bimmer). Pedalfaster is the last trophier in an RX8 even though he claims his Porsche 968 is still competitive. :spank:

Keep in mind this is just one course. They run the other course tomorrow and both times are added together to determine the winner.

Sipe (Team RX8) had cone problems that kept him near the bottom of STU with 2 cones on his fastest run which added 4 seconds to his time. With clean runs he would have been around the same time as Jason McCall who was the fastest RX8 in 19th out of 48 cars.

I'm kind of glad I didn't get that ride with Sipe now. His co-driver is DFL. If Sipe can't get a handle on the car mods, I sure know that I could never figure it out!

what's this munchhof doing in 8th place.

We got a verdict late Monday...just late enough that there was really no reasonable way to make it out there. At least the defendant has been put away for a while...1 count of 2nd degree murder and 1 count of attempted 1st degree murder...about 40 years minimum.

isley
thompson
goeke
asher

Congrat to ULLOSE who made his screenname true two years in a row. Aaron Buckley (B1immer) moved up two places to 5th and Dennis Sparks stayed at 6th as a newcomer to Nationals. He is an engineer who was recently involved in the selection of a new light utility helicopter for the Army. Looks like Iain is a good driver and is likely to do well again next year in Keith Casey's car.

Mark Sipe (TeamRX8) in STU ran much faster today with a time that looks like about 14th quickest but he could not overcome yesterday's cones obviously. Jason McCall slowed for some reason finishing 29th out of 48. Sorry guys.

Any rain at all?? Conditions better with rubber on the ground? Is the sand they keep talking about blowing from elsewhere or generated by rubber and asphalt pieces?


T 1 48 Jason Isley 2005 Mazda RX8 Slv Kumho 102.396
Ladera Ranch, CA MazdaSpeed/Kumho
T 2 198 Carter Thompson 2005 Nissan 350Z Ylw Kumho 102.496
[98] Murfreesboro, TN VetteSport/Koni
T3 164 Joe Goeke 2005 Mazda Rx8 Blk Kumho 103.511
[64] Kirkland, WA Team Butt Heat!
T 4 5 Asher Wunderl 2004 Mazda RX8 Slv Kumho 103.655
North Little Rock, A Sherwood Tire Pros
T 5 187 Aaron R Buckley 2004 Mazda RX-8 Slv Hoosier 104.543
[87] Charlotte, NC Tarheel Motorsports
T 6 84 Dennis G Sparks 2004 Maxda RX-8 Red Kumho 104.574
Madison, AL Teamtac.org
T 7 99 John V Vitamvas 2004 Mazda RX-8 Gry Kumho 104.922
[199] Columbia, MD TeamWTF.org
T 8 186 James W Reyenga 1991 Toyota MR2 Turbo Hoosier 105.354
[86] Greenville, SC TurBlowNium/Team Underdog
T 9 66 Keith P Casey 2004 Mazda RX8 Grn Kumho 105.376
Somerset, MA RallyDecals.com
T10 64 Stephen Hui 2005 Mazda RX-8 Blk Kumho 105.495
[164] Bellevue, WA The Porsche 968 is still slow
11 91 Brandon Davis 2006 Mazda RX-8 Slv Kumho 105.645
[191] Draper, UT
12 188 Jon D Wagner 2004 Mazda RX8 Ylw Kumho 105.711
[88] North Richland Hills AfterthoughtsAuto.Com
13 88 Iain Peebles 2004 Mazda RX-8 Ylw Kumho 105.818
[188] North Richland Hills Thanks Jon!/Afterthought
14 193 Eric Jones 2004 Mazda RX-8 Blu Hoosier 105.856
[93] Austin, TX Without A Clue Racing/Ro
15 71 George Hudetz 2004 Mazda RX-8 Gry Kumho 105.947
Lake Oswego, OR
16 22 Kenneth Baker 2006 Mazda RX-8 Blk Kumho 106.184
Aledo, TX Equipe Rapide/Autocross.
17 82 Phillip A. Weber 2004 Mazda RX-8 Gry Kumho 106.378
[182] Boerne, TX Fasthelmets.com
18 93 Jason Munchhof 2004 Mazda RX-8 Blu Hoosier 106.477
[193] San Diego, CA
19 98 Jim Thompson 2005 Nissan 350Z Ylw Kumho 106.588
[198] Cleveland, TN VetteSport/Koni
20 46 Michael P Cavanaugh 2003 Nissan 350Z Mrn Kumho 106.827
Falkville, AL My Wife

4 places actually...from 9th...awesome drive today.

Frustrating to not be there, but I'm thrilled for Aaron...we've been co-driving for 4 years with 3 different cars now...unfortunately (for me) he's clearly passed me in the driving department now...damnit, I used to beat him all the time!

Bryan
1 more RX-8 year in me I guess...but thinking about what might come next...

My bad on Aaron. After all the changes you guys made to your ST cars the last few years to finish pretty poorly, looks like you guys couldn't get a handle on the ST mods either. If you switch cars, better stay stock.... :angel:

Looks like Keith Casey coned his way out of a much higher position with cones on all his day 2 runs. Bummer.

The BMW M3s did pretty well in STU so guess we can't blame it all on AWD. Not sure what the story is for the STU RX8s.

Congrats to Jason and Joe for making it a two RX8 "podium"...also, props to Carter for going so dang quickly in the quasi FS car :)

From out here, Asher was the real story. We knew the top 3 guys were capable of great times (and congrats to Jason, Carter, and Joe), but Asher really stepped up to the plate and separated himself from the rest of the pack taking the much coveted 4th spot.

Great Job!!!! :rock:

Nice job to you, too, Dennis! 6th in a National is nothing to be ashamed of!

Didn't last long. I had a really bad day and probably dropped the most spots of anyone, 8th to 18th. :Eyecrazy: I'll be back next year in the trophies!

I still had a good time and it was nice to put some faces to the names on the forum. There was some great competition and it's really cool to see a 350z so close to the top. We should see more of them coming out now. Thanks to edj for the co-drive. Maybe if his car wasn't so slow we would've done better. :p:

Oh, and congrats to my homeboy Isley on the back-to-back championships! :rock:

Congradulations "Fast Jason"....we at the RX8 Cup knew you had it in you. One more year for the three-peat...and then to get you in a different car so I can be the Fastest 8 in Fontana....

As an aside, it's pretty cool that eight of the ten trophy winners are active on this forum. The 968 forums aren't nearly as active. :)

way to go jason, when? i start i will have to get a few lessons form you

good job jason. gotta watch your back though, the 350z clan will be back next year EN MASS!!!

come on now...put Jason in a 350 z and he'd kick their butt again. There is a lot to say about being a good driver, regardless of the car.

Nice work, Steve. Congrats!

I think the 350Z will be the new BS car to have now that somebody has placed so well at Nat's in one. I think more drivers will try this car and once its sorted, watch out. On paper I could never understand why it wouldn't dominate BS and I think its now only a matter of time. I guess we'll see.

Because in race trim it weighs 400 lbs more than an RX8. Carter drove great, no doubt the 4th run he got did not hurt him however he did not need it as he already had 2nd locked up, he has shown that BS is not a one car class. In the last two years we have seen the RX8 take the top spot but the 968, 350Z and MR2 Turbo have all been in the top 10. :biggthump

With age and experience will come the wisdom not to draw broad conclusions from one event's results. :)

The weight difference between a prepped RX-8 and a prepped 350Z is actually more in the vicinity of 250 lbs (reference: http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...&f=11&t=235671), but the 350Z has other disadvantages too, namely minimal and non-adjustable front camber, and a viscous limited slip differential which can't nearly keep up with the car's torque. Making one go fast requires patience and a well-calibrated right foot.

Carter's absolutely shown that the 350Z can win Nationals, but having driven all three of B Stock's top contenders, I'd say that the RX-8's the easiest to set up and drive quickly. That, combined with its practicality and the fact that it's cheaper than the 350Z, suggests to me that it will continue to make up the majority of BS fields in the years ahead.

Agreed. Talk in grid quickly went from "who the heck is this Asher guy?!?" to "whoa, check out Asher's times!" :)

Nice drive!

Plus, I bet he won the "show and shine" portion of the event. :mdrmed:

Great rookie drives by both Asher and Dennis...hope I'll see you two at some events again next year. However, I hope you don't have the experience I have of trophying at your first nationals, missing the trophies the next 2 years, and then missing nationals altogether the next 2! :cussing:

Bryan

Jason: congratulations on making it 2 years in a row!! Here's to one heck of a driver and one hell of a guy... :beerchug:

Congrats to Iain and Jon driving the yellow 04 representing DFW. I can't wait to see how bad they'll destroy my bone stock 05 this saturday at the S2000 event :)

Asher was at Nationals last year, just not in an RX8. I think an old Rx-7?

As I said all along, the 350Z can compete against the RX-8, it just takes the right driver. I've stated all along I know I'm not a top driver :D

As for cheap, you can't get much cheaper than my buddy who is picking up my 350 on Saturday, $15000 for a BS competitive car (I still think my car is more competitive than Carter's ;) ) and two sets of wheels, trailer, tires, etc.

whatcha movin' on to?

The number Carter told me, now they run with a full tank, is 400lbs more than my car in race trim. :dunno:

Congrats to John V on turning the 3rd fastest BS time on day 2 to move up in to the trophies. I swear, he nearly drove the wheels off the thing.

Thanks! We had a lot of fun in B Stock this year.

We had a decent showing, but we both know we're capable of more. Jon was .009 out of the trophies behind Hui on Day 1, but couldn't put it together on the East course and had to settle for 12th. On the other hand, I had cone trouble and had to rely on a "safe" run on the West course, which left me in 18th on Day 1. I moved up five spots on Day 2 when my game finally showed up, but it was too little, too late.

That's alright. I've only been driving a borrowed '8 since June. Now that Imp's car is sitting in my garage, I intend to walk the stage next year. Maybe if I'm nice pedalfaster will even give me one of those "I love strippers" t-shirts. :fingersx:

It was good to meet everyone, and save us a spot next year!

my 73 240Z, in SM2, if I ever get the engine in it :D

mmm. SM2 money pit. :0) sounds fun. good luck. :-D

Thanks Dennis, you had quite the drive as well congrats! It was nice meeting you west coast guys as well as getting to see Eric and Buckley again.

Congrats to all the trophy winners!

Well I felt pretty good after the first day, sitting 19th and only 3 tenths out of the trophies but then on day two I just didn't put together a good enough performance. Actually, let me revise that; I put down what I thought was a pretty darn good run and when I came through the timers it still wasn't even close to what it needed to be to be. Heck, it wasn't even good enough to be in the top 20. Just frustrating; plain frustrating. The West course design just wasn’t favorable to the car and showed its weakness. Sure if I would have had the R-compound tire crutch like BS cars I could have carried more speed into each transition and subsequently out but with ST tires I lost most of my momentum during all that tight stuff and since the car doesn’t have any balls to come out of corners, I lost time. The M3s on the other hand have good low end torque and came out pretty well according to their drivers.

In retrospective, I'm starting to think that the RX8 is not a good viable nationals STU car, especially if you want to still drive the car on the street. Now I know that I still need to improve my driving but I think the car is holding me back. Sure, there’s more I could do to the car like $$ coil-overs, take about 100 more pounds out of the car, and make it even less streetable, but that’s the kind of stuff to get you 5 to 8 tenths faster, not seconds faster.

What it seems like that if I would have put together an awesome top tire drive and gotten a little luck, I might have been able to finish in the top ten and that’s about the best the car would do. Now if you want to fight for the win, I think a STi or Evo would get you there pretty close right out of the box. The winning STi was on stock wheels (7”), stock rear swaybar, decent coil-overs, and had no weight reduction (stock seats, huge battery, and A/C). With that kind of car you can do half a year of mild tuning on the car, drive it a bunch, and then put in a great drive and you could win instead of just being there in the bottom of the trophies. The M3 will take a bit of more tuning and a bit of more street sacrifice but it too can complete for the win. The RX8 will take even more of everything and then it might not be good enough.

I’m sure Mark might disagree but he’s already put a year of development into his car along with a lot of $$ and to that I hope he proves me wrong. I’m sure he knows what he needs to do now and will be back fighting next year.

Oh yea, big congrats to all the BS guys here and your great performances!! :rock:

I talked to Mark very briefly Wed morning and he was pretty positive about the car's competiveness. I'm sure he'll be back in 07 with a much better performance. I got a lot of respect for you guys trying to make it work in STU. :icon_tup:

ditto to that! Don't give up in STU. The S2k sucked it's first year running Bstock! Also, the one thing I definitely learned out there was how much more I could improve as a driver. Jason was 1 second faster than me per day! That's refreshing to know there is that much time to be had without spending a $. :boink:

ditto, uh, x2! :0) depending on the course i can beat the rally cars in the philly region in STU with only wheels/tires vs. their coilovers, wheels/tires, and exhausts. otherwise i'm usually a little over a second behind. brian garfield of the DC region (he ran in f125 at nationals and placed 5th?) beat my time at a recent autox school on a full course by a little over a second. !!! i knew i'd left time out there and that was with just 1 run in my car. don't underestimate how much of a role driving kung fu plays. at nationals car prep matters a lot more where driving ability is more equalized than at a local or regional level, but you still have to drive yer arse off. :icon_tup:

I had a great time all week with most of you. The ones I didn't, that's only because we didn't get a chance to talk. I'll miss competing with the lot of you when John and I go to AS next year, but one or both of us may try to hit some of you up for codrives at the odd event (07 SD Tour and/or Fontana Pro? I'm asking first... :eeps: ) as we're both going to miss the car when it's gone.

Nats is such a great experience, and the driving is only a small part of it. The people are what makes it worthwhile. I think that those were the worst two days of combined driving from me since I started in the RX-8. While I'm pissed about my poor driving, I drove home pretty happy because I really had a good time throughout the week. Thanks to all of you for helping make that happen.

I do have to rant for a minute, though...

The worst part of the whole week was getting John's call last night, telling me that they didn't show the Team WTF?! videos at the Conee Video Party. John was told afterwards that "pretty much anything with profanity was guaranteed not to be shown." I don't have an issue with that, but it would have been really fucking nice if that had been in the rules instead of used as an excuse after the fact. I'm still pissed.

If you want to see the newly shunned video, "Team WTF?! 2006: The Story So Far", it's available. The 2005 year in review was also on the submitted disc.

jeebus, KC jumps ship and now you guys, eh? since this appears to be my role in this thread -- whatcha movin' on to? ;-)

I totally agree Clyde. I wish I could have talked to more people including you and John. I've followed your team WTF for the previous year and have been quite entertained by the videos. BTW I wanted John to know that his write up on bimmerforums for the stock M3 setup had helped me and I've passed it on to 3 other M3 drivers in my region that are benefiting from his efforts. B Stock has some good people!!!

Wow that is a long drive...... Wish we could all race more than once a year. We get a good size group on the west coast at tours and pros but it is not the same as Natls. Congrats to Joe on the Pro win, that is his 3rd Prosolo Championship, he is way overdue for a Solo natl championship. Also great job by Carter showing BS is not spec RX8. Maybe we will see some more of the Z boys fallow his formula for success. Asher came out of the box very strong and I am sure with KC, John V and Clyde moving on he will be at the top on the east coast.

Some pics we took: http://tinyurl.com/kw6j2

btw if you go spend the money to get a garage. :cool:

Check out the pants John.

DO NOT hit the big cones. :mdrmed:

Uh, Clyde... :bootyshak

...and my wife says thanks for the pic. :ylsuper:

Sorry..... You WTF guys all look alike. :hahano:

John and I are going to campaign his 2000 Boxster S. I'm selling my RX-8 to fund the purchase of a tow vehicle.

I also can't stop thinking about finding a salvage titled RX-8 that's been in a fire or flood for cheap and then hurting my wallet turning it into an SM car. Who knows?

What an experience. I wish I could have pulled off an Asher, but I guess I'll have to settle for 15th out of 36th, 0.5 seconds out of the trophies, for my first nats. I never had a good run on the West course. If I did, I think I would have found that 1/2 second. East course I got my game back (such as it is) and moved up a couple spots.

Anyway, it was great meeting altain, John_V, mp5, clyde, and all the others. What a great group of guys - too bad some of you are leaving the class. And, thanks to Pedal Faster for shuttling me back and foth to the hotel!

I'm glad I finally got to talk to all the B Stock guys, usually I'm so lost in the sauce I can't find time to go around and meet people. Somehow I never got to chat a whole lot with Asher. :confused:

The West course was an exercise in frustration for me. There were three fast sections and I kept losing the ass end of the car in each of them. Combination driving errors and not having the car set up quite right. We got it right for the second day, and I felt a lot more like myself. Bummer that I'll never feel as though I drove the RX-8 to its potential both days at a big event. Oh well... moving on I guess.

Asher, thanks for the comments about the M3 setup. I was kind of sad to see that nobody showed up in one, it was a car that could have done "OK" on the east course at least. I will never have a problem telling people how I would set up a car, but as GH Sharp would say, "OK, here's my setup - now are you gonna drive it like I do?" :)

Overall I'm pleased I was able to move from 15th to 7th and lay down a respectable time on the East course. Hopefully we'll both have more success in A Stock next year.

Good job to everyone, especially Jason and Carter who are obviously leagues ahead of the rest of us.

Hello all. Im new to the RX8 world (picking up my 8 tomorrow) but perhaps we'll meet one day like the rest of you have. Sounds like it was a great time. Does anyone have any pics they can share of the event (besides the few shown earlier in the thread)?

Congratulations to all who trophied and even if you didn't, making the trip and competing in the event is worth a big thumbs up. :rock:

Jason, our team's applause for the consecutive National wins as well as your help with alignment settings and tire pressures at Atwater this year.

Barry

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