Ike

2.1 60' is good but not quite awesome, shaving 1/10th off of that would certainly be possible.

Ike

Snagtastic

These times also dont account for his shifting style, what was taken out of the car, tire pressure, and all the other crap that people do before a typical quarter mile run.

For a first time to the track, 15.1 isnt bad, especially with a bit more aggressive launches the car is capable of.

Stop biting his *** off and drag your own cars, then post your timeslips so people can make fun of you too.

rx8daniel

all decent questions.
I have posted my tire pressures during each run.
FWIW:
I'm nearly 43, have had a manual car almost exclusively going back to my first 73 Subaru DL in 1979(my parents have always had autos); as you can see in the sig I've had 5 previous RX-7s and consider myself a fairly effecient / effective shifter / driver.
I took nothing out of the car not even the non-existent spare - had a gym bag in the back seat with normal workout clothes; I weigh about 180. IMHO, I shifted fairly quickly and around 9200 on each shift of each run. But, maybe the largest factor - I did not totally have the Traction Control system disabled. I hope I can get a run in soon so I can try it without - but with the hurrican due to hit us Friday it may not happen.

vosko

it wasn't even my car its my mechanic's judge ito. i still did the first monster burnout in it though :D

vosko

60 FTs for RWD cars on true street tires no drag radials

1.9x = EXCELLENT
2.0x = Great
2.1x = Good
2.2x = Avg

anything higher is just pathetic!

15.1 is not bad like i said before. it seems to accurately reflect the actual RWHP these cars are making unfortunately. before anyone can see he did a bad job they should definetely try it out themselves. i have been drag racing for a while..... picked up quite a few tricks. anyway judge ito is going to try and see what he can do to get his car to the 14.5 range before he builds the header and midpipe and intake and try to get the car to run 13's n/a . anyway i hope to see more people DRIVING THESE CARS!

Sneakyracer

No offense but thats not too good, I did 14.90 @93mph with a 2.21 60ft in my 97 VW Jetta Vr6 5 speed. (weather, 82 deg., humidity 90%, about a 15mph cross wind). Nitto drag radials. Consistently it did 15.3 @ 91mph with stock tires in any track. Even though I have about 8 tiemslips with times of 14.9 I wouldnt say my jetta is a 14 sec car, no way, its a low 15 sec car.



It put 172 hp on a dynojet several times though.

PoLaK

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Scan the slips

Blue 350z

Ya he knows it not too good, his new clutch was installed 150 miles before this run at the same time as a pulley set, headers, short throw shifter. The racing clutch had like 1/4th of an inch of clutch peddle from all the way out to fully engaged. He was running his 15.1@94+ mph with a REALLY REALLY bad 2.36 60' (last post was a typo with the 60'), if he would of been able to hit a 2.1xx 60' he would be in the 14.8-14.9 range, expecially with some traps hitting 95mph.

It was impossible to launch with the new racing clutch, expecially when it wasn't broken in. He got rid of the car because the clutch never felt like it broke in and hated the feel of it, he now has an 04 GTP Comp Edition

PoLaK

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Edit: Did VW even make a vr6 jetta in 1997? If im wrong please show me, but even a 14.9 sec jetta no mods sounds a lil strange.

http://www.epinions.com/compare.html...ay_~full_specs

Blue 350z

I think you already answered this with your link, the 3rd to the right is the VR6.

" 6 Cylinder, 2.8 Liter, 172 Horsepower Engine "

Also I don't think it was stock, I think he said he was running 171whp (stock only has 172 at the crank) and drag radials. A bone stock VR6 Golf GTI's weight like 2800 and run mid 15's stock, the Jetta VR6 weights like 1000lbs more and would need every single HP and drag radials w/ a good launch to get under 15 in the 1/4.

PoLaK

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Ok just to clarify a stock 97 jetta can't run a 14.9 i think thats what the author was trying to infer.

Sneakyracer

I never claimed it was stock, I am just corelating Wheel HP, weight and 1/4 mile performance. The similarities between my times and the times of the rx8 posted here are whats important really. Whatever the car if you have a certain 60ft time, 1/4mile time/mph and weight, the car is producing the same or close to (gearing affects a little) wheel hp as another that does the same time.

So those RX8 that do 15.15 @ 92mph are producing about 175 max wheel hp at the track maybe 180. Its al physics like someone else said.

as another example my Friend's porsche boxster dynoed about 182 wheel hp and did a 14.7 1/mile at 95mph w/ 2.1 60ft. Since its a tad lighter (1997 boxster weights about 2800 lb) than the rx8, the rx8 would require about 192+ wheel hp at least to do consistent mid 14 sec 1/4 mile times. It should have that.

Keep the RX8 tiemslips coming, the more there are the better we all can make conclusions about power.

PoLaK

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You can have all the rwhp u want and be as light as you can it doesn't mean anything if your car isn't geared aggressively because of MPG.

O.R.A.

But we all know that this is not the case with the RX-8...

PoLaK

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Actually it is..... there has been a few treads on how the rx-8 should be geared, I mean 238 hp and 2,900 lbs geared for performance can do at lot better then a 14.5 1/4.

Edit: http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.p...hlight=gearing

revhappy

Its not 238 HP and its more than 2,900 lbs.

PoLaK

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Forgive me 2940 pounds according to C&D April issue.

As for the 238 issue the slips released by rotarynews.com could not have come from a car putting down 174-187 rwhp nor the times tested by C&D and R&T. Until the independent tests being done by rotary magazine are reported upon I'll reserve my thoughts and think optimistically and rationalize with arguments such as the issue about the car not being able to be dynoed.

Here Paul Yaw explaining the Dyno issue"

http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.p...threadid=10823

revhappy

Well, that C&D car was a pre-production model. Someone weighed a Sport Package Model (the lightest widely available high-powered variant) without a full tank of gas. With the full tank of gas the weight was estimated at 2,983 lbs.

As for rotarynews.com's mada timeslips, they don't mean much to me due to Mazda'scredibility issue. I haven't seen any time slips in the 14s and certainly none have come close to the S2k (high 13s to low 14s).

14s4doorNA

For your information on NA rotaries on sreet tires wheelspin is the only way to get good times. My buddy ran a better ET and mph on his worst 60' time(88 GXL). It didn't make any sense to us that 60' times improved with less tire pressure but ETs got worse.

We asked a VERY reputable local RX7 guru who was at the track and he said that it is no suprise to him because sometimes those very low power rotaries have to spin the wheels out of the hole to get a decent time.

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By the way to all the 350Z and WRX and other piston failures of technology although it has been posted a million times. Many RX8s are getting 9.4 sec in the 1/8 mile @ 76 mph and 14.4 in the quarter @ 95.

Blue 350z

Says who? Mazda? :p

Sneakyracer

yea , exactly.

Even mazdas "official" 1/4 mile tests are inconsistent. Some of their cars were fast others were slow. Its quite evident in the 1/4 mile mph. I dont doubt some RX8's are putting consistent mid 14 sec 1/4 mile and mid 90's mph BUT clearly some are not. And its not necesarily driver dependent I think some cars might be putting down good power others arent. for whatever reason. The more people test their cars the better.

Reeko

Could the variance be due to the configured weight of the vehicles?
Sport vs GT, etc?

O.R.A.

Maybe those pre-production cars were significantly lighter than the average production model.

I don't think that the difference in weight between the bare bones car and the fully loaded car would amount to more than a tenth or so.

evoandy

...I'm fairly sure the S2k can't run in the 13s...

mikeb

sure it could with some mods like the sc they make for it