2007 Season So Cal Auto Cross Thread
 

Time to start the 2007 seasons auto cross thread. the old (2006) thread was located in the west section here https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...4&page=1&pp=40 I thought that it would be more appropriate in the racing section this time around. (2005 thread https://www.rx8club.com/west-rx-8-forum-34/san-bernardino-meet-auto-cross-thread-82773/ )

This year we are continuing the “RX-8 CUP” which is basically us RX-8 guys that get together at the CSCC autocross events at California speedway in Fontana Ca. anyone that shows up and runs is entered into the RX-8 cup points system. (even if you don’t want to be. :) ) as seen below.

The biggest difference this year is that we are implementing the new points index system. Last year it was a simple who got the fastest time won. This was unfair to the guys running street tires vs the guys running race tires. With the new index the guys running street tires at least have a fighting chance to place well in the RX-8 Cup points.


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all RX-8 Cup rules were voted and agreed on in the 2006 thread.


New RX-8 Cup points RULES for 2007 These are the rules/classes we set for our own RX-8 cup.
BS: SCCA stock class rules.
BSST: SCCA stock class rules with the added restriction of 140 tread-wear tires, consistent with the Cal Club and San Diego street tire class.
STU: SCCA STU class rules plus allow BSP legal flywheel/clutch upgrade.
BSP: SCCA BSP rules plus allow SM/STU legal wings and body kit (aka bling mods).
SM: SCCA SM rules, any RX8 with forced induction, motor swap or interior removed beyond STU/BSP rules. We can also full on race slicks.

New RX-8 Cup points indexing for 2007
SM: raw time
BSP: .99
BS: .975
STU: .965
BSST: .94

EXAMPLE:
Based on a SM car running a 60 sec run that allows a BSP to go .7 slower than SM.
A BS car gets a .8 cushion on BSP.
STU gets .6 on BS.
BSST is 2.3 behind BS.

Lowest 3 Races Droped.
The lowest 3 races for each driver will be droped. (10/13 races count)

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RX-8 cup top 3 finishes (and scedule) (any SM class or lower car is "qualified") all RX-8 cup races are at with the CSCC points scedule..

1-14-07 ( 9 drivers)
1st - Jason Isley
2nd - Casey Brier
3rd - Jason Munchoff

3-4-07 ( 8 drivers)
1st - Jason Isley
2nd - Jason Munchoff
3rd - Casey Brier

4-01-07 ( 7 drivers)
1st - Jason Isley
2nd - Jennifer Isley
3rd - Keith Wescott

4-22-07 ( 9 drivers)
1st - Keith Wescott
2nd - Jason Munchoff
3rd - Rick Grefsrud

5-27-07 ( 9 drivers)
1st - Jason Isley
2nd - Casey Brier
3rd - Keith Wescott

6-24-07 (__ drivers)
1st - Keith Wescott
2nd - Casey Brier
3rd - Rick Grefsrud

7-8-07 (__ drivers)
1st - Jason
2nd -
3rd -

8-04-07 (__ drivers)
1st -
2nd -
3rd -

8-19-07 (__ drivers)
1st -
2nd -
3rd -

9-16-07 (__ drivers)
1st -
2nd -
3rd -

10-21-07 (__ drivers)
1st -
2nd -
3rd -

11-04-07 (__ drivers)
1st -
2nd -
3rd -

11-25-07 (__ drivers)
1st -
2nd -
3rd -

12-09-07 (__ drivers)
1st -
2nd -
3rd -

Current points standings.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...s-u1RPAzVbOnFQ


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Usefull links

CSCC (Fontana Speedway)
http://www.solo2.com/

SDR (San Diego - Quailcomm stadium)
http://www.sdr-scca.com/solo2/

SCCA (big daddy)
http://scca.com/

SCCA rules:
http://scca.com/Solo/Index.asp?IdS=0...0&x=050|070&~=

Solo
http://scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/2006_solo_rules.pdf

Prosolo
http://scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/20...inalupdate.pdf

Solo categories
http://www.scca.com/_filelibrary/Fil...categories.pdf

Street Touring
http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/Fil...talclasses.pdf



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Quick reference RX-8 classing with allowed mods: These are the real SCCA classes, not the exact classing for our RX-8 cup. (although close.)

Stock class: BS
Wheels: OE dimensions, within .25" offset
Tires: R-compounds allowed, any size
Suspension: Up to 2-way adjustable shocks in OE dimensions, front sway bar
Engine: Cat-back exhaust, air filter
Body: No body-kits/wings/etc that aren't OE equipment

Street touring: STU
Wheels: Any size that will fit
Tires: Up to 275mm wide, with minimum 140 treadwear rating (no r-compounds)
Suspension: Shocks, springs, both anti-roll bars, bushings
Engine: Intake, full exhaust w/ cat required, pulleys, ECU programming
Body: Body kits, spoilers, etc
Other: Front seats, shifter kits, battery relocation

Street prepared: BSP
Wheels: Any size that will fit
Tires: R-compounds allowed, any size
Suspension: Springs and shocks, sway bars
Engine: Pretty much everything but the engine internals
Body: Spoilers, no wings or side skirts, or body kits
Other: Front seats, steering wheel, shifter, battery, etc

Street modified: SM
Everything allowed in Street Prepared and more
For example, any engine from same manufacturer
Body panels can be replaced
Rear seats can be removed
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San Diego Schedule:

Feb 10,11 SDAD West Lot <- Conflict with CalClub event
Mar 3, 4 TART West Lot
Mar 16-18 SCCA National Tour Qualcomm West Lot
Mar 24-25 SCCA ProSolo, El Toro
Mar 31, Apr 1 SCAT West Lot <- Conflict with CalClub event
Apr 14,15 DCCSD SE Lot (also date of Atwater National Tour)
May 5,6 SCNAX West Lot
May 19,20 SDAD West Lot
June 24 TART West Lot (Championship) <- Conflict with CalClub event
July 14,15 SCAT West Lot

So I get STU index for the RX8Cup right?

exactly :)
your pulleys and flywheel put you into our own STU class. (because you are still running street tires)

of course when you run at the track you are considered a BSP car. (because of the flywheel and pulleys) but you already knew that.




EDIT:
Didnt want this in the first post, but wanted it near the top.. here are the final results from the 2006 season. Congrats Isley! (as if we thought other wise.)

https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...id=90834&stc=1

2007 RX8 Cup
 

With only the December event left in the 2006 RX8 Cup Season, the cup is going to go to Ulllose, with second place going to MP5....Congradulations. I will always have to second guess my decision in November to have MP5 codrive my car....but heh, this is just for fun...and it was interesting to see someone new drive my car and get some feedback on the setup.

The results will most likely be the same for the 2007 season, but we have made some changes to indexing that should make the battle for 3rd-6th interesting.

Good luck to all, this weekend in Fontana. I hope we can make a decision as a group whether we want to have static cling "RX8 Cup" stickers for the 2007 season, as well as whether a 2006 RX8 Cup Champion static is something we want to make to acknowledge this years winner.

See you guys Saturday.

EDIT: Wow, I pulled out a win in the last event of the year....weather conditions played a critical role in finishing position, but like Ullose said, this is why we allow ourselves the ability to throw two events out.

Time to start using this thread.... Welcome 2007! Keith you are going to have a run for your money for 3rd place this year! :)

Hey when are you guys gonna come to the real track? HDPE
Redline usually runs in April at Calf. Speedway.

I know Kieth wants to try it some time.

as do I..... right now I just cant afford the $150 entry fee and the cost of tire wear.

one of these days though.

Did you put this here just to get your post count up?

...... Maybe

:)

that, and I think the racing section this time around might pull some new interest. either way I think it belongs in here more. :)

In this section everyone will see you guys get beat down in your SM RX8s by stock cars. :)

according to RX-8 cup rules though, we all agreed that we are BSP cars. but yes, according to SCCA rules we are SM cars. :/

hey if we go to the practice (like I think we are) are you going to come out and hang out with us? maybe show us how its done?

You guys really should condense those posts or our thread will get kicked into the lounge or back to the regional forum. We need to keep to the topic, as much as possible.

I agree with posting it in the Racing Section, as it may draw more attention to people in this section that may not have been aware of the 2006 thread in the regional forum. I would like to stir up some more interest and keep the Cup Series exciting. The rules we have are good for this year, and as Ulllose said, the indexing is good for this year (given that we will gain some additional experience this year), but we may need to adjust it more next year. Afterall, Jason did run a 68.xxx in the "SM" car....so Casey's 69.xxx is still showing the gap that driver experience has with our driving.

I don't anticipate making any changes to my car for the 2007 season. I would like to get the Koni Yellows, as well as get an alignment with a moderate race/street setup....and also anticipate having to buy new tires at some point. I think I am near 20 runs with the 285's....so maybe midway through the 07 season, depending on if I get down to SD like I would like.

Both Jason's have driven my car, and have had similar comments. Alignment, and soft strut setting. Casey, you need to get the guys into your car...have Ulllose do an "Instructor" run in your car at the next event...and then figure out a time to get MP5 into the car. It was helpful...for the feedback, as well as the time gap that appears when you see their times compared to yours.

As for Razz1, I am interested, but I am in a similar position to Casey right now with money. I have the time and interest. Ghost is also anxious to see us go out with him to the track. Both Casey and I will return the favor in due time. I am speaking for myself, but I would imagine that Casey and I would like to go out to the same event, would make for a fun day to have all of us out there together.

Casey, didn't meant to duplicate the points post...I removed it.

I thought the point of the new 07 thread was to start clean... looks like we already failed miserably. I do think it belongs in the West forum, just because most of the guys in here are National autoxers who don't give a crap about our cup. :)

Keith, you gotta have more than 20 runs by now right? 4 CalClub events with co-drivers + 1 SD event. I'm just waiting for you guys to get more runs on your tires so they start slowing down.

I thought the thread was put to better use in the West section... People in here already autox. By having it in the West section you get some of the people that do not even look in the racing section. jmho

Yeah, you may be right....I lost my computer file where I was keeping my tire wear info...I don't think I updated it yet for the SD runs on Saturday...and the 7 runs (including the one instructor run) at Fontana...so probably closer to 32/33.

ok mr. fun killer, I said I would remove the junk post...... dork.

I have not been paying attention to tire wear this time aound. I dont know why, just havent. with the 245's I used to keep AWSOME track of the runs. but for some reason wit the 285's I just dont. although it wouldent be all that hard to get a rough Idea. I would put it right off the top of my head close to 50 runs total. granted some of them being rather easy laps.


EDIT: there Mr. poopy pants. I deleted about 5 post.

You might be able to talk me into driving your cars at the practice. :dragster:

That was all on raw time, no pax. The way I see it I only got beat once, Sept Jason M beat me fair and square. Yes that is correct, only weeks before my 2nd strait BS championship I got beat by a mid-packer. :pokeowned I know when to have my bad days. :tear: The Nov event Jason ran Kieth's BSP car and the Dec event I ran in the wet while Keith ran his BSP car in the dry. Next year we are using our own index system, we gave the "BSP" guys a nice soft one, but they are still dead meat. :stickpoke

3rd place was an even less prepared BS car. :rock: Newbies got to learn the hard way. :spank:

I will say they all have gotten much faster then they were at the start of the year. 2007 will be fun out here with all these guys and JGW in the 968.

yeah, us BSP guys are STILL not running as fast as the two jasons in the BS cars. that shows how far behind in times we really are. but like Isley said, we are in our first year (I guess that is over now huh?) and we are still learning. I give it about 10 years, then we will ge running the times that we need to be. :) :) :) :)

yeah, and I would hope we are in Vettes at that time :) Yummy Z06's...yellow ones, right Casey :)

oh man...... you have no Idea how bad I want one..... yeah thats a good goal. we will shoot for that.

Yellow 2017 Z06 Vette. :)

I'm going to try to come down to SoCal and run a weekend with you guys...I'll also talk to Bryan Heitcotter, who recently bought the ex-Derek Butts' BS MR2 Turbo, and see if he wants to come along. He may prove to be very fast in that car...with JGW and him, you guys won't have to worry about BS being a "spec class" :)