Crazyfool

Or you can get the base manual rx8, spend money on only actual performance parts, and have a car about the same price as an s2000 with better performance and much more practicality.

Kafka

we are dying for the links...

its so painful to watch rx-8 getting passed by RSX-R in previous vids...

plz...show us the light!!!
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SergioPT

There is no "pain" in watching the Honda Integra Type R beat the RX-8 on a track like Tsukuba... or any other track for that matter...

Remember the Type R is a machine totaly honed to face track work... that's the main goal of the car. And, Honda achieved that goal briliantly, because the Type R is really very very very good at it.

I'm not sure about this, but maybe the japanese spec Honda Integra Type R is quite different from the Acura RSX... maybe the suspension setup is different, or something else equally important...

Please stop talking about the RX-8 as if it was some kind of Track Special... it's just a confortable saloon, very nicely detailed, with a "sporty" engine... and yes, it is fast enough, and it delivers great driving pleasure

So, just remember, if the RX-8 was setup towards track racing, it would be very good, because the potential is there to be explored. But as a comercial product, Mazda didn't want to do that.

This "Mazdaspeed RX-8" is just a little proof of that... and more will come, soon. I expect great things from the next RX-7... if the rumours are true

Enjoy your driving!

Kafka

We were supposed to have Rx-8 comparable to S2k performance wise...and now even a RSX Type R can spank it on a straight line...

and wheres the rip plz...
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Lee Chun

heh heh. I was getting ready to flame.

I think it's only fair that the Mazdaspeed RX8 be compared to other tuned cars. It's just not fair to compare a tuned car to factory cars.

SergioPT

A lot of cars are slower than the Integra Type-R (II) on Tsukuba... some nice machinery too... check it out:

1,08,04 Honda Integra Type-R (ITR2 220cv) 121 - -

1,08,04 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 (964 3.6l 250cv) 113 - -
1,08,06 Porsche 911 Carrera (996 300cv) 072 - -
1,08,09 Subaru Legacy S401 Sti Version (293cv) 122 - -
1,08,10 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II RS (260cv) 023 - -
1,08,17 BMW Z3 M Roadster (321cv) 079 - -
1,08,17 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti (New Age 2001 280cv) 122 - -
1,08,46 Toyota Supra 019 - -
1,08,48 BMW M3 (321cv) 053 - -
1,08,89 Nissan Silvia Spec-R (S15 250cv) 076 - -
1,08,89 Porsche 911 Carrera (993) 072 - -
1,08,90 Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst (MKIII 255cv) 039 - -
1,08,96 Honda S2000 (250cv) 094 - -
1,08,98 Honda Civic Type-R (CTR2 2.0l 215cv) 121 - -
1,09,16 Honda Integra Type-R (ITR1 200cv) 081 - -
1,09,27 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R32) 023 - -
1,09,36 Toyota MR2 GT-S (MKII 245cv) 023 - -
1,09,40 BMW M3 (E46 343cv) 119 - -
1,09,44 Porsche Boxster S (3.2l 252cv) 091 - -
1,09,50 Ferrari 348TB 032 - -
1,09,70 Lotus Elise (MKI 118cv) 094 - -
1,09,72 Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Nissan 350Z 280cv) 119 - -

Is it clear now how track focused the Type-R is?

Kafka

i am talking about straight line...i know its not rx-8 strong points...but still...
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Silverpgt94

A lot of cars are slower than the Integra Type-R (II) on Tsukuba... some nice machinery too... check it out:

1,08,04 Honda Integra Type-R (ITR2 220cv) 121 - -

------------1,08,04 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 (964 3.6l 250cv) 113 - -
1,08,06 Porsche 911 Carrera (996 300cv) 072 - -
1,08,09 Subaru Legacy S401 Sti Version (293cv) 122 - -
1,08,10 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II RS (260cv) 023 - -
1,08,17 BMW Z3 M Roadster (321cv) 079 - -
1,08,17 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti (New Age 2001 280cv) 122 - -
1,08,46 Toyota Supra 019 - -
1,08,48 BMW M3 (321cv) 053 - -
1,08,89 Nissan Silvia Spec-R (S15 250cv) 076 - -
1,08,89 Porsche 911 Carrera (993) 072 - -
1,08,90 Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst (MKIII 255cv) 039 - -
1,08,96 Honda S2000 (250cv) 094 - -
1,08,98 Honda Civic Type-R (CTR2 2.0l 215cv) 121 - -
1,09,16 Honda Integra Type-R (ITR1 200cv) 081 - -
1,09,27 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R32) 023 - -
1,09,36 Toyota MR2 GT-S (MKII 245cv) 023 - -
1,09,40 BMW M3 (E46 343cv) 119 - -
1,09,44 Porsche Boxster S (3.2l 252cv) 091 - -
1,09,50 Ferrari 348TB 032 - -
1,09,70 Lotus Elise (MKI 118cv) 094 - -
1,09,72 Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Nissan 350Z 280cv) 119 - -

Is it clear now how track focused the Type-R is?-------

Hmmmm, I'm a pretty big fan of the Tsukuba circuit.
Well designed Twisties and long Straight-aways. What's not to like.
So I find it odd that the Bathurst edition of the Mazda RX-7 only ran a 1,08,90.
When I have seen RZ and RS models run in the 1,05,90's...
The same track can yield many different results depending on conditions like rain, a headache or the end of the world.
But for the most part I wouldn't put an RX-7 Bathurst edition as a 1,08 car on that track. I have one video where an RX-7 runs 1,08 but he broke down during that very race. In that very video a Supra RZ manages to run 106,75. If you were to put an RX-7 or even that Supra RZ in the very same race as the Type R, and G35 it wouldn't be pretty. Mind you I know of the Type R and it is a track tuned monster. It probably has about the same horsepower to the wheels as an RX-8 and weighs considerably less. Most performance enthusiast on the board here initially heard the 250ps horsepower for the RX-8 and immediately placed the performance of this car on a much higher scale.
Losing to a Type R doesn't warrant any shame I agree with you on that one.
But I wouldn't place the Type R's best times with the worst time from other sports cars. Heck when you really think about it the old Type R managed to break into the 108's in Tsukuba. At least that's what Best Motoring said in one of their video's.....
The video where you got most of your times I belive I have.
The track was really wet and infact most of the cars had thier wipers on. You can't compare dry and wet track times.

SergioPT

Silverpgt94, those times are the best times for those cars on Tsukuba, and this means, from all the tsukuba runs I've had video access to.

We are talking about 70 Best Motoring Japan VCD's that I own, and I've been collecting laptimes from every one of them, then I put them on a list only showing the best time for each car.

The problem is... I have maybe 5 battles with the Type-R, and the Bathurst is on only one battle probably...

These times are not the absolut truth, of course For all the reasons you posted...

But, it is a fact that these are most likely the best times ever achieved by Best Motoring Japan for those cars on Tsukuba... if the Supra does any better than that, i don't know, because on all the battles I have that's the best time they made ... and the same for all the cars...

Check out my VCD's:

http://www.tuningpt.com/bestmotoring...stmotoring.htm

SergioPT

I forgot... about the Supra, there are many different models. Here are some more lap times for other Supra models (some are tuned):

1,07,32 VeilSide Evolution Supra (540cv Toyota) 019 -
1,07,66 Toyota Supra RZ 053 - -
1,07,76 Toyota Supra RZ-S 042 - -
1,08,61 ADVOX Toyota Supra RZ (280cv) 074 - Sim
1,11,09 Toyota Supra SZ-R (n/a 225cv) 032 - -

You can see the full lists, with over 200 cars, here:

http://www.tuningpt.com/store/tsukuba.htm

I'll be updating that list soon. Remember, I put only the best times for each car on that list.

Enjoy your driving

Silverpgt94

You have quite a collection. But you are missing some key videos of these cars and thier best runs. Lets link up with Aol Instant Messenger so I can send you some of my files. I do not have the same vcd count as you no where near but to my knowledge the only Type R that will give an RX-7 a run for its money would have to be the first production 3rd gen's running 2nd gen motor. I also have a video of Gansan in an RX-7 beating Two NSX's One Skyline R34 GTR V-SPEC and two evo's from which one broke down.

SergioPT

The RX-7 is faster than the Integra ehehhe don't worry. Remember that Bathurst edition is just 255hp, not 280hp like the other RX-7...

Check out these times:

1,03,01 KNIGHT Sports 7 Special Edition (RX-7 MKIII 402cv) 071 - Sim
1,04,88 Mazda RX-7 Type RS (MKIII 280cv) 074 - -
1,05,45 Mazda RX-7 Type R (MKIII 280cv) 074 - -
1,05,87 KNIGHT Sports RX-7 Final Evolution (MKIII 420cv) 043 - Sim
1,06,36 Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (MKIII 265cv) 042 - -
1,06,47 Mazda RX-7 Type RS Spirit R Typa-A (MKIII 280cv) 114 - -
1,06,55 Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst R (MKIII 280cv) 111 - -
1,07,44 Mazda RX-7 RS (MKIII 265cv) 042 - -
1,07,89 Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (MKIII 255cv) 023 - -
1,08,90 Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst (MKIII 255cv) 039 - -


And remember, some of these cars are on one Battle only... but also, some of them are raced on many many battles... naturaly, the ones that are raced more times, get to have better lap times, or at least they are more prone to get a good time one a great lap

Also, the times are taken from different days... that means the weather is not allways the same (temperature and humidity) and these are very important factors.

I have that video where Mr Gan San beats all others with the RX-7. That was the battle that started calling the RX-7 as the King of Tsukuba... but actually, there are better lap times for cars like the Lancer EVO and the Skyline...

These are the best lap times for 100% stock cars on Tsukuba (the ones I was able to see on video):

1,03,73 Ferrari F40 043 - -
1,04,15 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII RS (6MT) 124 - -
1,04,25 Porsche 911 GT2 Turbo CS (993 430cv) 043 - -
1,04,49 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Spec C (New Age 2003 6MT) 124 - -
1,04,57 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R34) 081 - -
1,04,62 McLaren F1 - - -
1,04,65 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO V RS 074 - -
1,04,88 Mazda RX-7 Type RS (MKIII 280cv) 074 - -

As you can see... EVO VIII, Skyline R34... and even the Impreza Spec C, are faster than the fastest RX-7 ever made.

About the Integra Type-R, this is probably the best time ever made in Best Motoring:

1,08,04 Honda Integra Type-R (ITR2 220cv) 121 - -

Better than all previous Integra generations... It is really a great lap time for that car


Oh well... Best Motoring Japan is just amazing stuff I'm totaly fanatic hehehehe

Silverpgt94

Those AWD monster are a bit faster then the 7 but only by 10th's For the most part they are pretty even. . The AWD advantage is a rough one to make up for. In conditions like rain its damn near impossible but when the conditions are fair I will always favor the 7. I have seen many races where you can clearly see the 7 pulling in those AWD cars in the straights. That awd is great for traction and coming out of those corners but they are power sappers once the wheels get rolling on the main straightaways. Heck even when they transfer the power to the front wheels in the Evo or the rear in the Skylines I still see them getting pulled in. I don't know wether its the factor of weight or the time it takes to transfer the power but the fact that the 7 can do it against those AWD speaks volumes about its chasis and power. In something completely unrelated I heard that they RX-7 3rd gen Spirit R managed to hit a 12.9 in the quarter. It didn't hit a great time in Tsukuba when tested by best motoring but the qt mile time is very interesting. Kinda gets me to thinking that Mazda said farewell to the 7 with just a little extra horsepower.
As much as I love best Motoring I will never put any faith in thier Qt mile times. Far to many discrepencies and questionable times.
But as far as track racing goes, there is nobody else Id rather see.

SergioPT

Best Motoring really doesn't give much importance to quarter mile times... as anyone can see on the videos, they do the runs only once for each car... or, at most, once for each pair of cars...

If you want to get a "real" best quarter mile time for a car you have to do it lots of times, to get the perfect launch, and the perfect shifts...

The launch only is the most important part... it can make a lot of difference.

So, it is clear to me that Best Motoring Japan does the quarter mile in a "light minded" way... just for comparison of the average performance of cars...

On the track it is much different

Another great thing about Best Motoring is the new Touge Runs from the latest Hot Version videos... really amazing stuff

Now, for the RX-7... what makes it a great car? Simple... it's very light (even lighter than the aluminium NSX), and the weight is perfectly distributed... the engine is small, light, and placed so far back that it's actually a front-mid-mounted engine (behind the front axle). what makes it a great car is the dynamics, it really handles very very very good. And it goes very fast also... because it's light.

Silverpgt94

I wished they offerd best motoring in the united states. I would break the **** off of the tv so no one could change the channel.
Im a pretty big enthusiast of Best Motoring and thier drivers
QT1/4 mile time asside.

Kafka

bump everyday for a vid link on that mazdaspeed...

Silverpgt94

Bumping it is

jmanolov

Bump. Where is the link to the video?

vipeRX7

bump

Haris

can somebody rip the whole video where they raced with MS RX8?

Kafka

Ok thats it. I am going to local fob mall tomorrow and try to get hold of one.

XDEEDUBBX

i would rip the dvd for all too see but i don't know how... =( .... sorry guys..

jmanolov

Bump

Gamera

Here are video clips from the Sept. 2003 Best MOTORing:

format: AVI, DivX 5.04 (780 kbs), 640x480; MP3 128 kbs 44K stereo

Mazdaspeed RX-8 Detail part 1 (5 MB, 00:47 min)
Mazdaspeed RX-8 Detail part 2 (20 MB, 02:56 min)
Mazdaspeed RX-8 Tsukuba Battle (63 MB, 09:20 min)
starting grid:
Volkwagen Golf R32
Alpha Romeo 147 GTA
Mazda RX-8 A-spec
Honda S2000 type V
Honda Integra Type R

Other RX-8 segments I've left out include wet weather handling comparisons, pre-race and post-race commentary, and Gan San's analysis of the Mazdaspeed RX-8. I can post these if someone here would like to provide a translation.

I'll leave these up on the server for a few weeks, unless the bandwidth load becomes too high. Mirrors are welcome as always, but please keep the filenames the same.

vipeRX7

Thanks Gamera!