AlRedCar's Project Build Thread
12-06-2008, 01:32 AM
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https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-parts-sale-wanted-44/esmeril-turbo-kit-sans-turbo-low-mileage-161853/
Here's the for sale thread! Again - the bad bits have been replaced and the kit will work - I'm selling so I can help pay for school now.
Here's the for sale thread! Again - the bad bits have been replaced and the kit will work - I'm selling so I can help pay for school now.
12-06-2008, 07:24 PM
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12-07-2008, 01:43 PM
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I'll check that post out, but I did find something both disheartening and reassuring yesterday... The electrical connector to the Oil Metering Pump was completely broken. I worked on another RX-8 recently that also had a malfunctioning OMP and it showed symptoms very similar to mine, so hopefully this will be an easy fix!
12-07-2008, 01:45 PM
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Just checked that post, and my crankcase hose has been all squared away from the beginning, thanks for the heads up though! It's comforting to see I'm not the only one with a bum turbo install haha
12-17-2008, 10:44 AM
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For those of you loyal readers who haven't found it yet...
AlRedCar's Sale Thread
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-parts-sale-wanted-44/alredcars-sale-thread-162736/#post2772907
Sounds a bit like this project won't get a chance to succeed, but it looks like you guys get the possibility to upgrade your own cars!
AlRedCar's Sale Thread
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-parts-sale-wanted-44/alredcars-sale-thread-162736/#post2772907
Sounds a bit like this project won't get a chance to succeed, but it looks like you guys get the possibility to upgrade your own cars!
12-18-2008, 02:12 AM
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Wow. I wish I didn't have to say "I told you so", but didn't you read what I did to them in their own thread back in August?
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...postcount=1773
Actually, that whole thread is a hoot to read from about post 1600 on.
So sad.
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...postcount=1773
Actually, that whole thread is a hoot to read from about post 1600 on.
So sad.
12-18-2008, 09:41 AM
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Wow. I wish I didn't have to say "I told you so", but didn't you read what I did to them in their own thread back in August?
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...postcount=1773
Actually, that whole thread is a hoot to read from about post 1600 on.
So sad.
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...postcount=1773
Actually, that whole thread is a hoot to read from about post 1600 on.
So sad.
12-18-2008, 12:45 PM
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^^^ linky no worky.
yikes Al, sorry to read everything that happened to you.
yikes Al, sorry to read everything that happened to you.
12-18-2008, 12:49 PM
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AIredcar's kit was bought used independent of us. We originally sold the kit a year ago.
We have never had one part failure on our turbo kits and we have no way of tracking what happened to that kit over the past year as it passed through the original customers hand and then through a transaction to the second customer.
We have had parts damaged by shipping in the past and since we test every kit before boxing it up we determined the only point of failure could have been from shipping. Whether it was damaged in the original shipment or the subsequent one between the original owner and AIred's is unknown.
We replace all faulty parts free of charge for 90 days which begins immediately after we ship the kit. It was well out of the warranty time frame.
We have never had one part failure on our turbo kits and we have no way of tracking what happened to that kit over the past year as it passed through the original customers hand and then through a transaction to the second customer.
We have had parts damaged by shipping in the past and since we test every kit before boxing it up we determined the only point of failure could have been from shipping. Whether it was damaged in the original shipment or the subsequent one between the original owner and AIred's is unknown.
We replace all faulty parts free of charge for 90 days which begins immediately after we ship the kit. It was well out of the warranty time frame.
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12-18-2008, 01:08 PM
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How do you "test" the manifold?
There is no "test" for the failure he experienced. The only "test" is to use good parts in the first place and fall back on the reputation, track record and warranty of a known good manufacturer.
And, as noted, there is absolutely NO WAY to damage an oil seal on a turbo in shipping without actually destroying the entire turbo.
No way whatsoever.
You know you are playing with fire. Is it worth it?
12-18-2008, 01:18 PM
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Hello everyone,
I would like to add to Jason's statement that first of all there is absolutely no evidence that the oil was caused by the turbo. All that is known is that there is oil in the intercooler piping and exhaust piping, turbo etc. This does not mean that the source of the oil is the turbo. If there was oil in the intercooler/intake piping it would obviously be ingested by the engine and subsequently spewed out the exhaust manifold reaching the turbo anyways which means the turbo would get bathed in oil. I know this because it happened to me about 5 years ago on a different car I had. I kept sending the turbo out to rebuild(3 times) and it kept happening. It ended up being a crakcase pressure issue, not the turbocharger.
The turbo in question was never sent back to us for inspection, instead it was assumed that it was the source of the oil. The only way to determine whether it was the turbo or not was to install a different one or for us to install it in one of our properly installed kits but the customer decided to sell the kit instead. It could've been as simple as a incorrect connection of hoses to the intake or an inverted check valve (we include one in the kit and installation is explained in the manual). Tdiddy had similar problems with a different brand turbo kit. Either way, if it was the turbo this would be the first such situation we have encountered on the many kits we have sold which is more than can be said of many other vendors. Being that the kit was shipped out almost to the original customer almost a year before the current owner bought it and we had no control of where it was stored, if it was dropped, or if it suffered shipping damage we could not be held liable.
I hope this is well understood.
It's quite unfortunate but not unexpected for some people to grasp onto anything they can to defame the current leader in RX-8 development.....all I have to say is, if anyone can do better do it with actions, not tactics and then post some proof of it, not theory. We have our opinions on other products yet we refrain from going on their threads and attempting to defame them simply because we understand that ours speak for themselves and we just have to wait it out until people start noticing. Throwing fits because you don't like something or because it is different to what you are attempting to sell really isn't a part of our business strategy. Instead we don't sell stuff that we haven't tested and we don't make claims based on theory, we claim what we know for a fact is doable based on testing and we have yet to have a direct customer that ended up unhappy with us and that works for me
This will be my last post on the subject, it has gotten well out of hand and gone long enough. I have explained our position on the subject, from now on the rest is of no matter to me.
Best regards,
Chris
I would like to add to Jason's statement that first of all there is absolutely no evidence that the oil was caused by the turbo. All that is known is that there is oil in the intercooler piping and exhaust piping, turbo etc. This does not mean that the source of the oil is the turbo. If there was oil in the intercooler/intake piping it would obviously be ingested by the engine and subsequently spewed out the exhaust manifold reaching the turbo anyways which means the turbo would get bathed in oil. I know this because it happened to me about 5 years ago on a different car I had. I kept sending the turbo out to rebuild(3 times) and it kept happening. It ended up being a crakcase pressure issue, not the turbocharger.
The turbo in question was never sent back to us for inspection, instead it was assumed that it was the source of the oil. The only way to determine whether it was the turbo or not was to install a different one or for us to install it in one of our properly installed kits but the customer decided to sell the kit instead. It could've been as simple as a incorrect connection of hoses to the intake or an inverted check valve (we include one in the kit and installation is explained in the manual). Tdiddy had similar problems with a different brand turbo kit. Either way, if it was the turbo this would be the first such situation we have encountered on the many kits we have sold which is more than can be said of many other vendors. Being that the kit was shipped out almost to the original customer almost a year before the current owner bought it and we had no control of where it was stored, if it was dropped, or if it suffered shipping damage we could not be held liable.
I hope this is well understood.
It's quite unfortunate but not unexpected for some people to grasp onto anything they can to defame the current leader in RX-8 development.....all I have to say is, if anyone can do better do it with actions, not tactics and then post some proof of it, not theory. We have our opinions on other products yet we refrain from going on their threads and attempting to defame them simply because we understand that ours speak for themselves and we just have to wait it out until people start noticing. Throwing fits because you don't like something or because it is different to what you are attempting to sell really isn't a part of our business strategy. Instead we don't sell stuff that we haven't tested and we don't make claims based on theory, we claim what we know for a fact is doable based on testing and we have yet to have a direct customer that ended up unhappy with us and that works for me
This will be my last post on the subject, it has gotten well out of hand and gone long enough. I have explained our position on the subject, from now on the rest is of no matter to me.
Best regards,
Chris
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12-18-2008, 01:38 PM
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The wastegate we test with an air/vacuum gauge. This is the standard test for testing a wastegate...since you are such an 'internet expert' you should have known this.
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12-18-2008, 01:45 PM
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I almost forgot....
We are talking about the wastegate that has been withstanding over 700whp (up to 1000whp now and then) in the 3 rotors from Puerto Rico for 4 years, non-stop usage, daily and track driven....
it must be real crap!
I am officially signing out of this idiocracy, I have much more productive things to do like sell/make kits.
Thanks for the support of those that support us.
Chris
We are talking about the wastegate that has been withstanding over 700whp (up to 1000whp now and then) in the 3 rotors from Puerto Rico for 4 years, non-stop usage, daily and track driven....
it must be real crap!
I am officially signing out of this idiocracy, I have much more productive things to do like sell/make kits.
Thanks for the support of those that support us.
Chris
Last edited by ChrisRX8PR; 12-18-2008 at 01:59 PM.
12-18-2008, 03:04 PM
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lol just started reading this today. First.. to AlTitaniumCar, sweet journal but broman..just make a blog like I have it. Easier, easier to read, presentable..looks sweet, you know? Good stuff and definitely love reading this. As for the guys arguing over the turbo... lol. All I'm saying is "Go Jeff" because I just saw pwn sauce being spilt everywhere.
12-18-2008, 03:08 PM
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The turbo in question was never sent back to us for inspection, instead it was assumed that it was the source of the oil. The only way to determine whether it was the turbo or not was to install a different one or for us to install it in one of our properly installed kits but the customer decided to sell the kit instead.
I INSTALLED A NEW TURBO FROM A REAL MANUFACTURER AND THERE WAS NO OIL IN MY ENGINE BAY.
Conclusive evidence much?
12-18-2008, 03:18 PM
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Also, how has this gone on long enough? You never replied to the email I sent or the ~20 phone calls I made? For all intents and purposes, you just stormed into the party as the "leader of RX-8 development" and spouted off from your seemingly overflowing font of knowledge. Tell me, tell me O great leader - why a twin volute turbine housing on a manifold designed for a single volute turbine housing? Oh great one, why the APC air filter? Master of RX-8 design and source of all things truthful, how much time did you spend on eBay finding these fantastic parts?
I'm going to go build a shrine to our great leader with my broken turbo as the base. If you need me, I'll be praying to the god of soon-to-be-needing-rebuilt-engines-on-account-of-cheap-parts with other subscribers of the Esmeril faith.
I'm going to go build a shrine to our great leader with my broken turbo as the base. If you need me, I'll be praying to the god of soon-to-be-needing-rebuilt-engines-on-account-of-cheap-parts with other subscribers of the Esmeril faith.