revhappy

I'm not getting into an AWD vs. RWD debate since that was NOT my point. You again generalized that RWD was less "limiting" implying it was more "fun" when it is in fact YOUR opinion. RWD and AWD are different drivetrains that each have their own advantages and disadvantages. They can both be "fun", but in different ways. Incidentally, I prefer RWD, but I also enjoy AWD and would take a great AWD sports car over a mediocre RWD sports car. Please refer again to the EVO article I posted in our last discussion (see below) about this very same topic:

http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.p...0857#post30857

Now, when you describe "physical limits", I assume you are talking about cornering ability, transitional handling, track times, straight line performance, etc. To me, I don't really care which wheels driven are the best in theory. I am more concerned given the choices available, which are more "fun" and to a lesser extent which cars have higher "physical limits." Since I haven't driven EVO 8 or an RX8 yet, I can't make the "fun" decision for myself. However, on "physical limits" the EVO 8 exceeds the RX8 on all of the above measures except track times (which we can't prove yet).

rx8daniel

Just picked up AMI Autoworld magazine last night sporting a blue RX-8 on the cover. Article is not great in detail, but does have a nice overhead of a red w/ the sunroof up and back in motion although a small pic. Think they are just guessing on some things (like 2900lb) since they said the auto is 'available' with the paddle shifters - I think they are std with the auto. See the scans of the article in the thread about this issue to see what I mean.

DreamWarrior

Again, always with the critics taking the numbers at face value without ever having driven the car. Numbers can be deceiving, they can also be increased by tuning. If you want a fast 0-60, gear for it, then all the people who only look at 0-60 go out and buy your car to find out that every other thing about it may suck. The fact here is that Mazda didn't tune for any specific set of numbers, they wanted a great all around car, I think they achieved that. I also think most magazines are agreeing that the car is great all around, maybe not the best in any one category, but all around it comes out ahead.

However, for those who want more power, there's the rumored super charger being developed...that'll get you plenty more torque (277 is the rumored number, and in a car of this weight, you'll be sure to whip up on the 350Z with a supercharged RX-8).

For those who want the car to handle better (as if it didn't already handle great), remember that Mazda tuned the suspension for a nice ride too, so you won't be jarred all over the place on the bumpy roads. You want your guts shaken when you slam over some crappy roads, or there are no crappy roads in your area, tighten the suspension. The chassis is already stiff enough AND sports a near 50-50 weight distribution, with a more performance geared suspension setup on this car it should outhandle a 350Z easily enough too.

Now, while some would say they're already paying 30k+ for the car, why should they do all this work...well hell, last time I checked the 350Z was about 4 grand more...put four grand (3 for the super charger, and a grand for suspension) into this car and it should whip all over a Z.

edit: I guess all I'm trying to say is for those saying that this car is losing to a Z or the Infinity, if you were to take the money you saved by buying an 8 and spent it on performance for the 8 you'd beat both of them...most likely badly.

zerobanger

The only thing I learned is that the RX-8 Will Go Zoom Zoom!!!

None of its competition can!!!

ToRX-8orToZ

Didnt R&T just put the weight distribution at 52/48?

MrWigggles

52/48 is near 50/50.

If I remember correctly, with driver inside it is supposed to be almost exactly 50/50.

But we are splitting hairs here. It isn't that big of a deal.

-Mr. Wigggles

P00Man

yeah, i think youre right on that wiggles, though i thought it was 50/50 "out of the box"

anyway, i would REALLY like to see you guys start acting like grownups instead of whining at eachother constantly. It is nowhere near necessary to verbally attack eachother, and if you are going to do it, come out and do it, dont try the steal approach cause thats just stupid, if you wanna yell at someone, yell at them and leave it at that, dont go back and forth with stupid underhanded remarks that really take away from the forum. Also, anyone getting that heated over a car, is just a moron. It is a car, not the biggest issue in the world concerning you personally. Check your freking egos. Ive had to say this way to many times lately, so all of you give it a rest. Most of us are plenty calm, but for some reason, some of you become idiots; over nothing. So stop.

CHECK YOU EGOS! and remember, MOMMY LOVES YOU! blahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ok?

Oh, and i appreciate the fact that you at least tried a little to keep it under control, but try a little harder.
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ToRX-8orToZ

Right; I just find it amusing that people here bashed the Z for being 52/48 (some even suggesting it was an ill balanced, tubby, boat) yet are very VERY quiet when word comes the 8 has similar balance.

Hercules

Yes but we also coupled that with the 350Z wonderous understeer. The RX-8 as reported by every magazine isn't that bad and is more neutral in this respect.

And essentially that's what matters. It throws high Gs on the skidpad (higher than the 330 and G35 Coupe, its competition), has better braking than the 350Z, G35 Coupe, and 330, and also costs less than all of them.

I think right now we're pretty happy as to what we expected from the RX-8... no torque monster to be sure, but everything else it delivers in spades. And that's fine by me.

You keep relishing on what's been said in the past... get off it.

ToRX-8orToZ

And the 8 has significantly more body roll then the Z....

I'm not relishing past comments.... I just LOVE both cars; though its clear to me they serve different niches in the market.

I wish I could buy both =( Or the 7 was out so my choice could be made for me

Hercules

Yes but body roll has not played a part in the RX-8's handling.. that's why Car and Driver rated it *ahead* of the G35 Coupe. The weight distribution of the 350Z lends itself heavily to understeering.

So while the RX-8 may be more rolly, it's not affecting its performance (well it might be... but it's still doin better than its competition in the handling regard). But the 350Z is plagued with understeer (even by 350Z owners' account) and that *could* be aided with a better weight distribution. I think since the RX-8 is much lighter weight, the weight distribution doesn't hurt it as much as it does a heavier car like the Z.

Donny Boy

Allright, I must admit that I have seen the coming of the 8 and it is absolutely beeeeautiful in silver. I like the red and black interior, but I might be swayed to the "stark" all black leather. The picture of the car with all the doors open from a slightly elevated angle gives the impression of an arrowhead. Slick and dangerous, designed to penetrate the air at excessive velocities. That picture also allows you to appreciate the angle of the front end and the curving yet angular front wheel arches. This car is great. The interior is well organized and beautifully appointed.

Performance is more than what I expected. Yes, mid range grunt is a little shy of where I want it to be, but with a sweet shifting 6 speed tranny, keep the revs in the stratosphere and you have no problem. Just make good use of the 250 horses and the 9000 rpm capabilities.

My wife was forced to read the article to me, a trade off for a cup of tea in the morning, only to try to get her "involved" in the 8 phenomena. To my surprise, she actually likes the car, and wants to get one. Only is that she wants the automatic. Well I WOULDN'T go for that. No no no, only the 6 speed for me, thank you. I guess I have to make a lot more tea. She also preferred the interior to many that I showed her, including the G35 coupe.

I can only wait for the NYIAS in April to see it again, and hopefully, I can sit in it for a change. You know, to get a feel of how everything falls together.

I realize I've deviated away from the Road and Track article, but that was what the article did to me . . . imagine what the real car can do!!!

DTECH-RX

Actually the R&T article says "52/48 with driver" which is understandable considering where the driver sits. Another thing which can affect the numbers slightly would be what level of options you have on the car. The car itself should still be 50/50.

Anyone else notice that they mentioned that they tested the car with the Grand Touring Package which includes the moonroof, yet the car in the pictures does have a leather interior but no moonroof???

I would also think that if they did test a car with the Grand Touring package, that cars with less options on them will be even lighter and will eek out even slightly better performance.

chenpin

its 53/47. :p dunno if that changes anything...

revhappy

The C&D car had a cost of ~28K, which sounds like the sport package. It weighed 2,940 lbs. compared to the 3,000 lb. figure for the Grand Touring Package car for R&T, but both put up near identical acceleration #s.

zoom44

ok here we go again:D when i first looked at the pics i thought "wow someone finally printed pics of a silver one" but the more i looked at it the more i started to believe that it was titanium. someone help me out here-which color is it?

73JPS

Looks very silver to me.

zoom44

i hope so that car looks great:D

now how did you get a magic rx-8 ball?

Skyline Maniac

Hercules:

Check your sources before stating them as facts. November, 2002 issue:

G35C
Skidpad: 0.92 g
Slalom: 67.7 mph
0-60: 6.1 sec
0-1/4mile: 14.6 sec

Oh look at that, the RX-8 is faster than the G35C. :D You should be proud of that.

[sarcasm]btw: watch out for the Dodge SRT4, 5.7sec to 60, 14.2 to 1/4mile, 0.85, 4 real doors, 22/30 mpg, and whooo~ look at the price: $20k. Let's not forget about the Lancer and Subaru. Looks like RX8 just got beaten in the value+performance sector. :p [/sarcasm]

Speed is not everything, neither is handling~ So keep that in mind when you choose to compare RX8 to BMW 330, G35C or whatever. Admire a car for its own merit, no through numbers and data.

Good Duck

This is exactly the package I want to get. Leather with no moonroof. Come on Mazda!

73JPS

Ahhhhhhhhh.... sources say: "Ebay"... girlfriend say: "You paid HOW MUCH??????" :D

chenpin

uhhh. he did check his sources....Latest Car and Driver comparo. G35C .86g RX-8 .91g Car and Driver: "a considerable margin beyond the cornering capablities of these two competitors."

P00Man

HOORAY!
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zoom44

i like the last sentence

paraphrasing " a good judge of a sports car is if it leaves a smile on your face after driving. judging from the cheshire cat-like grins on everyone here, the rx-8 has succeded" :D :D

jonalan

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Originally posted by zoom44
i hope so that car looks great

now how did you get a magic rx-8 ball?
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Dude! I just sent an email to "rx8orders" and asked for one; and they sent it to me. I didn't pay for it!

But, now I'm curious what they're going for on e-Bay. I'd be more than happy to sell mine!!!