ToRX-8orToZ

Cool. Makes no Sense though. I don't need to launch or go over 6k on any shift to outrun a civic Si to 60.

Sounds fishy, but at least its documented... kinda like the 8's 5-60 of 9 seconds.

racerdave

Where's the 8's 5-60 time of 9 seconds documented?

ToRX-8orToZ

Theres one article disucssing the odd dropoff, I'll find the exact article I'm speaking of when I get home; its a Euro mag.

racerdave

The C&D number is 7.5 seconds. Yes, the dropoff does indicate what is known about the 8... it's a torqueless wonder.

But the S2k has a similar drop... 5.4 0-60 to 6.9 5-60.

Either way, they're both fun cars.

Just wondering where the 9 second number came from.

neit_jnf

1. It's debatable, magazine skidpad numbers for both cars are very similar. It may have a harder suspension setting and a little less body roll but still gets .88-.93 g which the RX-8 gets too while having a better ride.

2. Yes, the steering gear ratio is tighter...

3. But the RX-8 still transitions better according to the steering response test in the magazine. The RX-8 needs a little more turn of the steering wheel but reacts quicker.

threeputtwash

Hey Banger,
Just out of curiousity, what's the RX-8's 0-60 time without a clutch drop, and shifting at no higher than 6000 rpms?
I'm guessing that it's going to be pretty slow too....It's not exactly rocket now is it?

dcroteau

<thread hijack>
Yes, I've heard that the Comptechs are more reliable too, but they make less hp. The real reason he got a Vortech is because we carry their product line. I set up an install article with SuperStreet, so he got the install for free as well (should be out in 2 - 3 months).

His car is hella quick now, and it sounds real mean. He put an Apexi N1 exaust on it too. You can hear the car coming from a mile away - literally!

If S2ks could accomodate a 6'4" frame, that would definitely be the car for me, but as it is there's just no way.
</thread hijack>

By the way, there's something wacked with this web site. It logs me in as dcroteau from new hampshire. That's not who I am.

zoom44

log out, clear your cookies then comeback and log back in.

ToRX-8orToZ

I should be home at 9pm PT; I'll post that Euro Mag article when I get there.


I love my car, and I do think it's clear that it's a better sports car, don't get me wrong... but I still think that the Renesis will have more potential down the road.

I REALLY REALLY want to see Mazda fight the current trends and bring out a 2600lb 290hp RX-7 that runs to 60 in like 4.9... I know they can do it.

ToRX-8orToZ

Remember they are comparing the '04 with the 8; Honda softened the steering and suspension up quiet a bit to make the car more comfortable for the daily driver as well as offset the larger wheels. The 00-'03 models have MUCH more precise steering; the change is one of the biggest complaints about the '04 over on S2ki (along with the engine/suspension changes).

zerobanger

S2000 VS Rx-8, who really cares? The FD will rape them both. We know the FD is the real king of performance in the import world.

Hercules

I fail to see the obsession with 0-60 times like they are actually some measurement of performance.

If you are looking at 0-60 times then there are lots of other cars to buy. The RX cars have always been meant to deliver a 'package' that includes modest acceleration, and amazing handling. If you want great acceleration and modest handling, you get the 350Z. I'm quite happy with my 5.9-6.3 second 0-60 because frankly... I like my clutch just the way it is, and when the boy racers in my town rev their engine and tear up their clutch... I just smile and drive out nice and slow.

zerobanger

considering the 93-95 rx-7 did 0 to 60 in 4.9 to 5.2 (as tested in MT/RT) , weighed 2800 lbs and had only 255 HP, Im sure if it had 290 HP and weighed 2600 lbs it would be just a "little" faster than that.

ToRX-8orToZ

Ugh... I KNOW. I realize that 0-60 times arent everything, but they ARE a measure of performance.

Herc, after all the debates we've had on this forum so long ago... you should know better. I mean... come on... I spent 30k on an S2000, runner up for me was the 8; if I was just concerned with 0-60 times I'd of bought a used Vette or a Mach 1.

With that said, 0-60 times ARE important to a performance car....just not as important as other things.

ToRX-8orToZ

Yeah, but we're talking about todays Mazda; they'll say it has 290, but.....

Sorry, couldnt resist.

Gotta find that Mag...

zerobanger

My magazine is faster than your magazine.

ToRX-8orToZ

Well, you are comparing a car with forced induction to two that are naturaly aspirated. Apples and oranges.

Throw a Supercharger on an S and it rapes a stock RX-7; I think if Mazda came through with a supercharger for a Mazdaspeed 8, itd be faster then a stock FD as well (a quality aftermarket FI setup should most definetly be).

zerobanger

upgrade the exhaust on the rx-7 and it will rape a SC S2000.

that doesn't even consider what will happen with a single turbo. And this is just straight line speed. Forget about that. In every single performance test the rx-7 out performs the s2000, bar none.

Senna

Ok 13B-MSP,
I haven't read the article yet...but what in your opinion puts the s2000 out over the 8 in performance. I've sat in a 2002 s2000 and it was cramped as all hell...talk about claustrophia!!
Suicide doors!!LOL........

moRotorMotor

Man, chill out everyone. The only reason why the 8 won was because of the objective of this little competition. We all know deep inside that the S2000 is the performance king of the 3 cars. We also know that the Z is very muscle car-like and has a distinction of its own (although I really can't think of one right now and no... I'm not against the Z car). Finally the 8, it has 4 seats and somewhat 4 doors in a sport car package. A compromise of a coupe and saloon, yet with near S2000 performance.

If this competition was about performance, then the 8 would lose, plain and simple ( as much as I don't like to read on paper about that). We can't have it all and it is also very objective between person to person. And like somebody said earlier in this thread, if there was a car that offered both roadster performance and saloon comfort and at the same price, we'd all be buying the same car. But of course, life is not like that so we have to decide what our priorities are and go from there.

.....sorry about that, I feel better now that I let that out

scorp76

The only problem I have is with this S2K dude saying it is a better sports car like that's a fact and gospel. That's an opinion, just like when I say the Z is uglier than a baboon's @ss. I may believe that, but that doesn't make it true.

I personally think the 8 is the better sports car simply because it can do everything the S2K can do, while being more practical at it. But that's just me.

ToRX-8orToZ

Right. We all know how practicality is important around the track.

The S2K is a better sports car from a performance standpoint, even the MT article didnt say the 8 actually outperformed the S... it didnt... in ANY category (save braking, which can easily be rectified with aftermarket or mugen stuff).

zerobanger

if you are going to bring the aftermarket in play I will say that the rx-8 can be modded to be faster than an S2000, hows that? How bout a stage I chip for 25 hp To the wheels?

Lets keep it stock, ok?

ToRX-8orToZ

Ummmmm yeah. I don't see any turbos or SCers out for the 8 YET...at least none that seem worthwhile.

I can get 370 to the crank with a comptech SC.

You're right though... lets keep it stock.

The S outperforms the 8 in EVERY category save braking. Case closed; I don't know why you can't admit it.

The S = more performance oriented.

The 8 = more practicality oriented.

The Z = one tubby feeling bXXXX.

And that's the order I think most sports car enthusiasts would rate the cars from a performance standpoint.

zerobanger

You are not following me, Im not dis-agreeing about the performance of the S2000, its great. The rx-8 is a great sportscar and in my opinion deserved to be first place in that test, period.

BTW A stock FD will rape a stock S2000 in any catagory, modding the two cars the gap gets even worse. Do you really think that makes the S2000 less of a sportscar?

The rx-8 has everything a sportscar needs, 50/50 weight, limit slip diff, exceptional suspesion and great engine. I can care less what cars out perform it out of the box, the sky is limited only by my wallet, ok?