Mazda 3 MPS (Mention of New RX-7)
05-04-2005, 09:26 PM
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Nissan brought back the 350Z and it has less power and is slightly slower than the 300ZX Turbo--and they are selling. I feel what you are saying about being an FD heir--but remember what the market will tolerate. I still maintain that a 2 seat variant of the RX8 with the renesis would make a nice base model RX7. The renesis can be boosted--so a blown 4th gen RX7 turbo would not be farfetched.
05-04-2005, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DreRX8
Nissan brought back the 350Z and it has less power and is slightly slower than the 300ZX Turbo--and they are selling. I feel what you are saying about being an FD heir--but remember what the market will tolerate. I still maintain that a 2 seat variant of the RX8 with the renesis would make a nice base model RX7. The renesis can be boosted--so a blown 4th gen RX7 turbo would not be farfetched.
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05-05-2005, 06:48 PM
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First off, my 7 is anything but beat down or molested. Oh, and way to go with the name calling. I understand your point about torque. My car is a blast to drive. What I'm saying is that Mazda has the engineering prowess to overcome the normal lack of torque associated with the rotary with some form of F/I. Think of a 1.3L with lower compression rotors and a turbo pumping 6-8 psi. Or even, God willing, a 1.6L pushing 8-10 psi in a car weighing 2800-2900lbs. Offering a base Renesis would be a good idea to entice more buyers, while the higher ones would be reserved for the power freaks.
05-05-2005, 08:14 PM
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Oh, also www.rotarynews.com rules!
05-05-2005, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bern
If you guys search my other posts, on this subject, you'll know exactly what the next rotary vehicle Mazda is going to bring out.... 
and it's not a 7! Cheers, -Bern
and it's not a 7! Cheers, -Bern
05-05-2005, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Styjan
Bern, please post a link. I'm so very lazy!
Been speculating about this for 2 years at RN.COM.. check it out:
http://rotarynews.com/?q=node/view/158
Cheers,
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05-06-2005, 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 93RedX7
First off, my 7 is anything but beat down or molested. Oh, and way to go with the name calling. I understand your point about torque. My car is a blast to drive. What I'm saying is that Mazda has the engineering prowess to overcome the normal lack of torque associated with the rotary with some form of F/I. Think of a 1.3L with lower compression rotors and a turbo pumping 6-8 psi. Or even, God willing, a 1.6L pushing 8-10 psi in a car weighing 2800-2900lbs. Offering a base Renesis would be a good idea to entice more buyers, while the higher ones would be reserved for the power freaks.
no turbo=no 4th gen 7
N/A just won't cut it. That was my only point. Thanks for playing. :p
05-06-2005, 03:53 PM
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YEAH!!! a new RX7. if the build it. I bought the 8 because it was the closest I could come to a new 7 and as much as I love my 8, if a new RX7 was on sale I'd be at the dealership today.
I Don't think it needs to be turbo to be a true succesor to the FD. If all Mazda did was to cut 18 inches out of the RX8 it would have nearly equal if not slightly better acceleration than the FD. 18 inches of chassis where the backseats are should weigh in at about 300-400 lbs. the difference between waht the RX8 weighs and about what the MX-5 weighs. No coincidence there. If you further consider that convertibles are always a few pounds heavier than their hardtop counterparts then your talking about a 2300 lb or so car. Still think that stock for stock a N/A Renesis powered RX7 wouldn't be a match for a FD? Any desire for a turbo is just wanting to reproduce the rough shape of the FD not any real move forward. THe goal should be to surpass the older car. HP is HP no matter where it come from so if they can achieve 300+ from a N/A rotary it will definetly be the faster car.
As for whether the next 2 seat rotary will be called the RX7 , well they did say that it would be placed between the MX-5 and the RX8 so to me it seems kinda dumb to call it th RX9.
I Don't think it needs to be turbo to be a true succesor to the FD. If all Mazda did was to cut 18 inches out of the RX8 it would have nearly equal if not slightly better acceleration than the FD. 18 inches of chassis where the backseats are should weigh in at about 300-400 lbs. the difference between waht the RX8 weighs and about what the MX-5 weighs. No coincidence there. If you further consider that convertibles are always a few pounds heavier than their hardtop counterparts then your talking about a 2300 lb or so car. Still think that stock for stock a N/A Renesis powered RX7 wouldn't be a match for a FD? Any desire for a turbo is just wanting to reproduce the rough shape of the FD not any real move forward. THe goal should be to surpass the older car. HP is HP no matter where it come from so if they can achieve 300+ from a N/A rotary it will definetly be the faster car.
As for whether the next 2 seat rotary will be called the RX7 , well they did say that it would be placed between the MX-5 and the RX8 so to me it seems kinda dumb to call it th RX9.
05-08-2005, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DARKMAZ8
So you basically are agreeing with me when I said:
no turbo=no 4th gen 7
N/A just won't cut it. That was my only point. Thanks for playing. :p
no turbo=no 4th gen 7
N/A just won't cut it. That was my only point. Thanks for playing. :p
05-08-2005, 02:07 PM
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I've always seen Mazda sports cars as the mass market version of Colin Chapmans' philosophy. Simplify and add lightness. The miata and Rx7 both are simple almost spartan sports cars where the driving dynamic is the highest priority. A tradition that I hope would continue if ther is indeed a new RX7. Brute power has never been a hallmark of Mazda sport cars.
Not that I'd exactly be full of complaint If there was A 300 hp rotary thrown in as well.
Not that I'd exactly be full of complaint If there was A 300 hp rotary thrown in as well.
05-11-2005, 12:38 AM
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You RX 7 want ta bees...............
They're never gonna mak another 7.
If anything they might offer an RX8 Hybrid/hydrogen economic version, from which I hear is very successful.
They're never gonna mak another 7.
If anything they might offer an RX8 Hybrid/hydrogen economic version, from which I hear is very successful.
05-12-2005, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Sigma
Well, historically, you're quite wrong.
The RX-series has progressed over the past 40-some-odd years from RX-2, to RX-3, to RX-4, to RX-5, to RX-6, to RX-7, to RX-8.
However, I suppose one could make an argument that the RX-7 was so successful that its' name could be re-used rather than progress to RX-9. However I think it would be a dis-service to the evolution of the RX-7 to release a new RX-7 at a pricepoint of $30,000. It certainly wouldn't be a respectable evolution of the model, as there's little chance of it being on the same competitive level as the FDs were back in their day.
First off, the market of RX-7 enthusiasts isn't that big. Not in the grand scheme of automobiles anyhow. Big cities will have weekly meets for various types of cars that would dwarf the size of Rotary Revoltion. Secondly, a large portion of that market are satisfied (or even more satisfied) with the already-existing RX-8, making the remaining market rather small in the big picture.
There's no doubt there's a market for a true coupe. But certainly not one big enough for just a coupe to replace the much more widely appealing RX-8.
The RX-series has progressed over the past 40-some-odd years from RX-2, to RX-3, to RX-4, to RX-5, to RX-6, to RX-7, to RX-8.
However, I suppose one could make an argument that the RX-7 was so successful that its' name could be re-used rather than progress to RX-9. However I think it would be a dis-service to the evolution of the RX-7 to release a new RX-7 at a pricepoint of $30,000. It certainly wouldn't be a respectable evolution of the model, as there's little chance of it being on the same competitive level as the FDs were back in their day.
First off, the market of RX-7 enthusiasts isn't that big. Not in the grand scheme of automobiles anyhow. Big cities will have weekly meets for various types of cars that would dwarf the size of Rotary Revoltion. Secondly, a large portion of that market are satisfied (or even more satisfied) with the already-existing RX-8, making the remaining market rather small in the big picture.
There's no doubt there's a market for a true coupe. But certainly not one big enough for just a coupe to replace the much more widely appealing RX-8.
05-12-2005, 01:21 AM
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"the RX-7 would be snatched up by diehard rotary enthusiast for the 1st and 2nd year of its intro, but after that, sales could virtually dry up."
this statement by RX-Hachi seals it for me, unless there is a drastic change in the sports car market in the coming years, which seems unlikely due to our gas and oil problems
this statement by RX-Hachi seals it for me, unless there is a drastic change in the sports car market in the coming years, which seems unlikely due to our gas and oil problems
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