March RX-8 Sales
05-17-2006, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by QBallz
You have to remember that the 2006 model didn't really hit until Mid-Late April. So I'm guessing that the 2005 models started to run thin, and how many people really want to buy a car in a color they don't like or a accessory package that doesn't fit.
Also add the fact that they changed the engine tranny of the automatic, and the fact that used RX8's are a steal at ~20k for a loaded 2004 and I imagine that this all will lead to lower than average sales numbers.
Also add the fact that they changed the engine tranny of the automatic, and the fact that used RX8's are a steal at ~20k for a loaded 2004 and I imagine that this all will lead to lower than average sales numbers.
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05-17-2006, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by saturn
Stopped into a dealer yesterday and they only had one 2006 8 there -- only one they've relieved. Granted, this is the east coast so it takes longer to get them in, but I wouldn't be surprised if many dealers don't order many 2006 models because of the poor sales of the 2005's.
Saturn has a valid point here.......if certain dealers lost a large percentage of their profit by having a garage sale on the 2005 RX8 late last year, why would they want to face a similar situation this year? I have no doubt that those dealers will order a 2006 for you if you put down a deposit......they are a Mazda dealer after all.
You have to remember that dealerships are separate businesses from the auto companies......they make inventory decisions based on their experience in their respective regions. Why waste valuable inventory space on a slow moving product. Fill your stock with the 'hot movers' and special order the low volume stuff.
05-17-2006, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Icemark
Oh, this thread is so full of misconceptions.
#1 It is very normal for a car to loose about 30 to 40% sales volumn from the initial offering for each year.
Based on that the RX-8 is right on target. There should be at least 30% fewer sales each year of production until the car gets revised. It is very very unusual for a car to have simular or increased sales multiple years of the same body style. Based on the fact that the RX-8 is 4 years old (I know, I know 3 model years old) but 4 production years old, sales should be off.
for example, if you sold say, 60,000 the first year, you should expect to sell 39,000 the next year, and 25,350 the following year, and 16,477 the following year for a normal 4 year production cycle, then with a minor re-design expect about 50% sales of the first production year of the redesign. So 5 year (minor re-design) there should be around 30,000 units sold, followed by 19,500 for the 2nd year after the minor redesign, followed by 12675 the third year after the minor re-design.Etc
This is what most manufactures plan models and budget on.
#2 And the reason april this years sales were so low, was because there were no cars. Dealers can't sell what they don't have. The 06 models were very rare in my area in early april (traditionally a poor time to sell any large purchase items in the USA due to taxes).
#3 The one and only reason that the FD (third Gen RX-7) was cancelled in America was poor sales due to price. The re-design for emissions (OBDII) and door frames would have been very minor to make the car meet 96&97 standards (a new ECU and door beams) are pretty minor. The biggest problem with the FD was poor sales related to price. And what was the biggest thing that added to that price??? The engine.
There was no other reason what so ever that the FD failed in America than that. The car was $15000 too expensive ($42,000 for some models). This is from the engineer that was responsible for the front end and packaging on the FD (who by the way was one of the project leaders for the FE/SE3P).
So those members that keep clamoring for a Turbo or supercharged engine, better understand that. A production Turbo or Supercharged engine is the last thing Mazda needs for sales on the FE.
#4 if Rotary Crazy's numbers of 148,317 FE sales are correct, then Mazda is selling at way above the minium 20000 units average per year of the production run needed to justify production of a med volumn car. Medium production run cars should expect a average of 20,000 units a year over a models entire production run to justify tooling and build costs. So 80,000 units in sales over 4 years would be the minimum. I would bet the FE does double that by the end of this year- the 4th year of the production run (they would just have to sell 974 cars a month ( this year) to do that).
#1 It is very normal for a car to loose about 30 to 40% sales volumn from the initial offering for each year.
Based on that the RX-8 is right on target. There should be at least 30% fewer sales each year of production until the car gets revised. It is very very unusual for a car to have simular or increased sales multiple years of the same body style. Based on the fact that the RX-8 is 4 years old (I know, I know 3 model years old) but 4 production years old, sales should be off.
for example, if you sold say, 60,000 the first year, you should expect to sell 39,000 the next year, and 25,350 the following year, and 16,477 the following year for a normal 4 year production cycle, then with a minor re-design expect about 50% sales of the first production year of the redesign. So 5 year (minor re-design) there should be around 30,000 units sold, followed by 19,500 for the 2nd year after the minor redesign, followed by 12675 the third year after the minor re-design.Etc
This is what most manufactures plan models and budget on.
#2 And the reason april this years sales were so low, was because there were no cars. Dealers can't sell what they don't have. The 06 models were very rare in my area in early april (traditionally a poor time to sell any large purchase items in the USA due to taxes).
#3 The one and only reason that the FD (third Gen RX-7) was cancelled in America was poor sales due to price. The re-design for emissions (OBDII) and door frames would have been very minor to make the car meet 96&97 standards (a new ECU and door beams) are pretty minor. The biggest problem with the FD was poor sales related to price. And what was the biggest thing that added to that price??? The engine.
There was no other reason what so ever that the FD failed in America than that. The car was $15000 too expensive ($42,000 for some models). This is from the engineer that was responsible for the front end and packaging on the FD (who by the way was one of the project leaders for the FE/SE3P).
So those members that keep clamoring for a Turbo or supercharged engine, better understand that. A production Turbo or Supercharged engine is the last thing Mazda needs for sales on the FE.
#4 if Rotary Crazy's numbers of 148,317 FE sales are correct, then Mazda is selling at way above the minium 20000 units average per year of the production run needed to justify production of a med volumn car. Medium production run cars should expect a average of 20,000 units a year over a models entire production run to justify tooling and build costs. So 80,000 units in sales over 4 years would be the minimum. I would bet the FE does double that by the end of this year- the 4th year of the production run (they would just have to sell 974 cars a month ( this year) to do that).
2.) There are plenty of cars, there are tons of '05s still on dealer lots that can be had for a very good price, many dealer are even advertising these rock bottom prices. Also, most people that ordered an '06 would have taken delivery in April. Lastly, the '06 was available the entire month of April in most areas, they were in WI. the first week of April and I assure you WI. is one of the last states to get them.
3.) Why people compare the RX-8 to the TT RX-7 I'll never know. They were very different cars in very different market segments with very different sales goals.
4.) Way to pull some numbers out of your ***. Also, in relation to your first point and this one (if you want to call it that), the RX-8 hasn't been available for 3 full years yet, July will be 3 years.
05-17-2006, 02:08 PM
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3) Correct me if I'm wrong, but the main reason of the price of the RX-7 was that it was not in favor of the exchange rate. Not only were Mazdas being affected, but all over-priced, gas-guzzling sports car were eventually pulled from Japanese market in the mid 90s. Maybe price of the engine did have to do with it, but this is what I've read.
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Originally Posted by Ike
1.) That is not normal. Show me a car that's declining 30-40% in sales each year and I'll show you a car that isn't selling well.
I guess you can choose to believe what you want regardless of what really happens.
2.) There are plenty of cars, there are tons of '05s still on dealer lots that can be had for a very good price, many dealer are even advertising these rock bottom prices. Also, most people that ordered an '06 would have taken delivery in April. Lastly, the '06 was available the entire month of April in most areas, they were in WI. the first week of April and I assure you WI. is one of the last states to get them.
3.) Why people compare the RX-8 to the TT RX-7 I'll never know. They were very different cars in very different market segments with very different sales goals.
4.) Way to pull some numbers out of your ***. Also, in relation to your first point and this one (if you want to call it that), the RX-8 hasn't been available for 3 full years yet, July will be 3 years.
05-17-2006, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowLude
3) Correct me if I'm wrong, but the main reason of the price of the RX-7 was that it was not in favor of the exchange rate. Not only were Mazdas being affected, but all over-priced, gas-guzzling sports car were eventually pulled from Japanese market in the mid 90s. Maybe price of the engine did have to do with it, but this is what I've read.
The cost of the engine was just one factor. The car was built no better than the FE, yet cost $10,000 more (not adjusting for the inflation over the last 10 years).
The exchange rate was one of the contributing figures on the cost, but not a $10,000 factor.
05-18-2006, 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Icemark
ah, I guess that is why car manufactures redesign a car every 3-4 years, because they are selling just as well as new I guess you can choose to believe what you want regardless of what really happens.
Hmm, Not a 05 available on the west coast from march according to Mazda. Do you know you can check dealer inventory at Mazda USA.com???
, My reply addressing the FD was simply addressing other error filled posts in this thread
Perhaps you didn't get the difference between Model year and Production year. This (06) is the third model year, yet the 4th production year.
I guess you can choose to believe what you want regardless of what really happens.Hmm, Not a 05 available on the west coast from march according to Mazda. Do you know you can check dealer inventory at Mazda USA.com???
, My reply addressing the FD was simply addressing other error filled posts in this thread
Perhaps you didn't get the difference between Model year and Production year. This (06) is the third model year, yet the 4th production year.
I do know that, do you know how to actually use it? Either you have no clue how to do a vehicle search, Mazda is lying, or they took the '05 off the site like the did the '04 even though plenty were still available.
You were talking about 4 years worth of sales, there won't be 4 years worth of sales data until July of next year. I don't give a **** what you were talking about, model year or production year, your numbers are off and/or fabricated.
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You cannot trust the vehicle locator on the Mazda website......or any auto companies web site for that matter. I have been burned twice.....once by Ford's vehicle locator and once by Mazda's. The locator showed a dealer had a certain vehicle and when I called they had sold it weeks ago. They admitted that they have to manually update that information for Mazda and that it is not a high priority. I'm not saying it's never correct.......but it's probably not 100% accurate.
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Has it happened before?
Originally Posted by RotoRocket
Why are people obsessed with notion that Mazda is going to pull the plug on the RX-8 in North America?
I mean, let's get real. As long as the 8 sells globally, it's not going anywhere.
I mean, let's get real. As long as the 8 sells globally, it's not going anywhere.
Oh yeah! 3rd Gen RX-7 sold in NA for three years, kept going in Australia and Japan for another eight (?) years.
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I think Valley Mazda in San Louis Obispo, CA may still have a black one '05 and a Silver '04 - the black is the better, I also think there may be a white 05 at Nipomo, CA. Last month there was a blue one at Cook Mazda in Aberdean (sp?), Maryland. The number for Valley Mazda is 805 544-6862.
05-31-2006, 11:35 AM
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I hope you were talking about sales and not the John Deers, they have some modified tractors around here that run on nitro and might give you a run for your money...
I hope you were talking about sales and not the John Deers, they have some modified tractors around here that run on nitro and might give you a run for your money...
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http://rotarynews.com/
please leave your coments mazda wants to hear from you
However, we recently received word from Japan that the word went out from the top of Engineering saying that the Rotary is top priority at Mazda now, and not to be pushed off the side. The message went on to talk about the history of the Rotary at Mazda, and how some wanted to drop the engine all together. The benching of the rotary is to stop, and it is to become a very intergal part of their future strategy.
this means the rx-8 its going to get more attention from mazda now
please leave your coments mazda wants to hear from you
However, we recently received word from Japan that the word went out from the top of Engineering saying that the Rotary is top priority at Mazda now, and not to be pushed off the side. The message went on to talk about the history of the Rotary at Mazda, and how some wanted to drop the engine all together. The benching of the rotary is to stop, and it is to become a very intergal part of their future strategy.
this means the rx-8 its going to get more attention from mazda now
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Wow... for May they sold more B-series trucks than CX-7s- sad. I'm kidding of course... I think over the next few months that number will explode. It's hard to say with shipping/distribution with a new vehicle... but I think the sales numbers of the CX-7 could almost double that of the Tribute.
Also, I saw a CX-7 being run on a test drive last weekend. That SUV is beautiful; just drop dead design... I pulled up next to it in my RX8 just to give the person driving a thumbs ups, but the guy was around 60 years old (!) and he didn't see me.
another time perhaps...
Also, I saw a CX-7 being run on a test drive last weekend. That SUV is beautiful; just drop dead design... I pulled up next to it in my RX8 just to give the person driving a thumbs ups, but the guy was around 60 years old (!) and he didn't see me.
another time perhaps...
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RX-8 May production
Production for may was down again to 1102 cars built. If you look at the chart on the previous post you can see a straight line negative slope down to 1102..
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06-26-2006, 03:04 PM
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Just curious, what were the low prices that the 05's were being sold at?
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