Everyday Driver: FRS vs RX8 vs S2000
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I run with a few frs brz owners, the amount of aftermarket parts available for the car before it was released was unbelievable. The irony of it all was there were serious failure points in the car (don't ask what parts I don't know) that were breaking and several owners had to wait months for their cars to run becouse the parts were unavailable. It was designed to be a car to mod, that was the intent from day one.
My opinon of the csr is mixed, if I look at a of the lot version its laughable, but the idea of a car that is suposed to be modified.. genius
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My opinon of the csr is mixed, if I look at a of the lot version its laughable, but the idea of a car that is suposed to be modified.. genius
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The problem was with valvetrains self destructing at around 300 miles, and was mainly focused on the FR-S more-so than the BRZ. The only theory I remember seeing is that this is the first car in Toyota/Scion for quite a long time that needed premium fuel, and dealers were putting 87 in out of ignorance. Subaru doesn't have that deficiency.
They may have a better answer since then.
They may have a better answer since then.
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The reason very few BRZ had problems with valve trains is due to production allocation.
The BRZ's were barely on car dealership lots when the problem was around for three months.
I think they have since fixed the problem but there hasn't been any acknowledgment from the factory.
The BRZ's were barely on car dealership lots when the problem was around for three months.
I think they have since fixed the problem but there hasn't been any acknowledgment from the factory.
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There was a poll running at one point, and while the BRZ volume of responders was far lower, the BRZ occurrence of the problem was at 10-15%, where the FR-S occurrence was 40-50%
Obviously not precise numbers, internet statistics and all, but it was an indication of the distribution between the two.
Obviously not precise numbers, internet statistics and all, but it was an indication of the distribution between the two.
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Funnily enough, the GT86/BRZ is designed for modifying, but the owners over here aren't allowed to modify or put a supercharger on because it invalidates the 5 year warranty. So for 5 YEARS you CANNOT modify the car.
Whats the point in selling a car to modify but not being allowed to modify?
Whats the point in selling a car to modify but not being allowed to modify?
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I can't speak for every dealership but toyota/scion here in my town will honor warrenty regardless of modification becouse that is the way the car was advertised. One of my friends has leased his vehicle and was told he would be alowed to modify it pretty much any way he would like. I'm sure there is some restriction, but going FI doesn't seem to be one of them. Which is pretty cool.
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Funnily enough, the GT86/BRZ is designed for modifying, but the owners over here aren't allowed to modify or put a supercharger on because it invalidates the 5 year warranty. So for 5 YEARS you CANNOT modify the car.
Whats the point in selling a car to modify but not being allowed to modify?
Whats the point in selling a car to modify but not being allowed to modify?
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Funnily enough, the GT86/BRZ is designed for modifying, but the owners over here aren't allowed to modify or put a supercharger on because it invalidates the 5 year warranty. So for 5 YEARS you CANNOT modify the car.
Whats the point in selling a car to modify but not being allowed to modify?
Whats the point in selling a car to modify but not being allowed to modify?
It's really quite simple, and has been true for every car since warranties were first offered. Everything from a Ford F-150 to a Prius to a Corvette to an Italia. It's all the same.
I can't speak for every dealership but toyota/scion here in my town will honor warrenty regardless of modification becouse that is the way the car was advertised. One of my friends has leased his vehicle and was told he would be alowed to modify it pretty much any way he would like. I'm sure there is some restriction, but going FI doesn't seem to be one of them. Which is pretty cool.
http://a230.g.akamai.net/7/230/83646...ranty_2013.pdf
WHAT IS NOT COVERED
This warranty does not cover damage or failures resulting directly or indirectly from any of the following:
> Fire, accidents or theft
> Abuse or negligence
> Misuse — for example, racing or overloading
> Improper repairs
> Alteration or tampering, including installation of non-Scion Authorized Accessories
> Lack of or improper maintenance, including use of fluids other than those specified in the Owner’s Manual
> Installation of non-Scion Authorized Parts
> Airborne chemicals, tree sap, road debris (including stone chips), rail dust, salt, hail, floods, wind storms, lightning and other environmental conditions
> Water contamination
This warranty does not cover damage or failures resulting directly or indirectly from any of the following:
> Fire, accidents or theft
> Abuse or negligence
> Misuse — for example, racing or overloading
> Improper repairs
> Alteration or tampering, including installation of non-Scion Authorized Accessories
> Lack of or improper maintenance, including use of fluids other than those specified in the Owner’s Manual
> Installation of non-Scion Authorized Parts
> Airborne chemicals, tree sap, road debris (including stone chips), rail dust, salt, hail, floods, wind storms, lightning and other environmental conditions
> Water contamination
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Ya it was something I had a hard time with as well. I would assume it was this particular dealership. Not so long ago RIWWP me and you were in a conversation with someone on this forum regarding warrenty issues from a third party insurer on a 04 rx8. The dealership offered to pay for that new motor if you don't remeber... and this was a few years after the purchase of that 8. This dealership seems to go a little farther than most. Its unfortunate that I don't like toyota or scion, as this dealership would definatly get my money.
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People here are forgetting, newer produced cars are faced with the tighter emission laws that are being imposed around the world. I believe Europe is very tight with their emission laws and the sale of new vehicles that do not pass emission tests. I'd highly doubt ANY car company will design/release a car that can NOT be sold in Europe.
I think the BRZ/FRS design and marketing is ingenious, A low price point sports car with a excellent chassis, that passes emission and has *enough* hp to have a spirited drive.
But the real deal is how the companies marketed the cars as made to be modified, then worked in collaboration with many tuning companies to bring out such a big range of aftermarket support in such little time.
Lets face it, modding a car is *fun*, the feeling of new parts arriving, the butt dyno and shiny parts. This was a whole selling point for japanese sport cars, easy to mod. Toyota and Subaru captured this point very well.
End of the day, Toyota and Subaru released a car that appeals to consumers due to low cost, handling and ease of access to the aftermarket.
They made the room to allow ample more power through major modification, but yet they are allowed to sell the car all around the world (low emission) and in truth a simple engine without turbo is alot easier on the warranties too.
If the owners choose to FI the car, upgrade it alot, all the better for the companies as they can market how fast these new cars can be, but at the same time not having to deal with the headache of reliability as the responsibilities is now on the owners
Dunno if i explained my point clearly, but i hope you guys can catch on to what i mean.
I think the BRZ/FRS design and marketing is ingenious, A low price point sports car with a excellent chassis, that passes emission and has *enough* hp to have a spirited drive.
But the real deal is how the companies marketed the cars as made to be modified, then worked in collaboration with many tuning companies to bring out such a big range of aftermarket support in such little time.
Lets face it, modding a car is *fun*, the feeling of new parts arriving, the butt dyno and shiny parts. This was a whole selling point for japanese sport cars, easy to mod. Toyota and Subaru captured this point very well.
End of the day, Toyota and Subaru released a car that appeals to consumers due to low cost, handling and ease of access to the aftermarket.
They made the room to allow ample more power through major modification, but yet they are allowed to sell the car all around the world (low emission) and in truth a simple engine without turbo is alot easier on the warranties too.
If the owners choose to FI the car, upgrade it alot, all the better for the companies as they can market how fast these new cars can be, but at the same time not having to deal with the headache of reliability as the responsibilities is now on the owners
Dunno if i explained my point clearly, but i hope you guys can catch on to what i mean.
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