zerobanger

I cant wait to get my RX8 and park it next to my 94 RX-7. For those of you that think the EVO will outperform the RX8 on all marks I strongly disagree. The EVO and STI will out accelerate the RX-8, thats going to be it. The RX-8's suspension was based on the RX-7's, but improved.

Alot of you have seen the video of the RX-7 and RX-8 chasing each other. You can see in the straight aways the 7 kills the 8, but in the curves the RX-8 gains on the 7.

The RX-7 pulled a .97 and .98 skid pad back in 1993 and stopped from 60-0 in 110 feet. For the one that said a z06 pulls .97 is mistaken. I dont have the number handy, but its much greater than that.

The RX-7 was the best handling japanese car ever brought into america, 11 years after its introduction, its still in the top SCCA Super Stock catagory with only a handful of other cars (all late model vettes, 911 turbo's, AMG, Lotus, Viper BMW M's, etc). My point is the RX-8 is going to beat the 7 in most catagories (except acceleration).

Bank on it.

Donny Boy

Thanks for the heads up. Saw the review and was really pleased that the 0 to 60 was less than 6 secs. The car slides beautifully balanced and with little body lean . . . oooohhhh booooyyy . . . think I'm gonna get it soon!!!

Slick_Advanced

Hi, new to the board can anyone repost the link to the video I'd love to hear the sound of the RX-8 or could someone just put the review on Kazaa with the filename


Thanks

downshift

Welcome to the board. I'm rather new too and just discovered this thread. Does anybody still have the clip stored somewhere so that we can download from?

Skyline Maniac

Why SCCA ranked the RX-8 in B Stock instead of Super Stock, if the RX8 will beat the RX7 in most categories?

Good Duck

So you're countering a 5 months old statement? Classy.

zerobanger

its all propaganda, LOL.

I saw the 8 at a dealer earlier this week and I am dissapointed. While the front end is sexy, the rest of the car doesn't do it for me.

Its great that the rotary is back. The Rx8 makes a great daily driver, but it doesn't inspire me. Its not a -7-.

The main purpose for the Rx-8 is to pave the way for the 4th gen Rx-7, IMHO.

David

revhappy

Well, I've read several post from former 3rd generation RX7 owners on the RX7forum.com and evolutionmn.net who either now own or have driven the EVO and claim the EVO is the better handling car. The RX8 will not outhandle the RX7 or EVO in its current form because it is too softly sprung. Do you remember the Sports car International article? They gave the RX8 very poor marks in autocross and said aftermarket tuners would have to do a good amount of work to change that. I'm sorry, but you are going to have to give up some of the ultimate handling ability if you want a smooth comfortable ride.

Now, the RX8's suspension has tremendous potential and I imagine a Mazdaspeed version would be the one to compare to the 3rd generation RX7 and the EVO.

What about the Best Motoring video? I am suspicious of the video you reference since it was created by Mazda and they are selling RX8s and not RX7s now.

[[QUOTE]Originally posted by zerobanger
The RX-7 pulled a .97 and .98 skid pad back in 1993 and stopped from 60-0 in 110 feet. For the one that said a z06 pulls .97 is mistaken. I dont have the number handy, but its much greater than that. [/QUOTE

The EVO pulled those skidpad marks in one test and got some of the highest slalom speed test results that most of the magazine have ever gotten. The EVO has tested below 110 ft. in the 60' - 0' braking test. However, the RX7 is the better track car and is certainly much faster at higher speeds. Of course, it only has two seats and is more than a handful to keep running for most people.

[[QUOTE]Originally posted by zerobanger
The RX-7 was the best handling japanese car ever brought into america, 11 years after its introduction, its still in the top SCCA Super Stock catagory with only a handful of other cars (all late model vettes, 911 turbo's, AMG, Lotus, Viper BMW M's, etc). My point is the RX-8 is going to beat the 7 in most catagories (except acceleration). [/QUOTE

The RX8 was never designed to be an RX7 killer. It is a hybrid sports sedan and sports car and its performance seems to fall into that zone. Some people here rationalize their purchase of the RX8 by saying it's acceleration is subpar (against other sports cars), but its handling is superior. I've seen lots of qualitative descriptions in reviews stating it has body roll and understeer. Its quantitative test results of handling also don't stand out, but the braking results have been very impressive. It is a superior handling car compared to sports sedans (and overweight sports cars like the Z and Mustang), but I would be shocked if it outhandled the S2000 or RX7. I think you need to be realistic as to what the RX8 is ( a fun, nimble sports sedan/ practical, so-so sports car) or you will be disappointed after spending $30+ K.

eccles

Of course, the EVO comes with $300 gumball tires, while the RX-8 comes with run-of-the-mill Bridgerocks. Let's swap tires and see which one kicks ***.

zerobanger

well it doesn't seem to have a " quote " button , so ill just say a few things.

I know it was not meant to replace the Rx -7, yet you cant help but to compare since they market it as Mazda's rotary engined sportscar.

As far as the EVO, yes I know some test got a 60-0 in 106 feet, with average being slightly better than the FD. Keep in mind the #'s the FD got it did in 1992, which was unheard of. NO car had a .98 skid pad, few could do the 1/4 in 13.7, etc.

As far as the EVO, its a great handling car I'm sure. I doubt the EVO will be in the superstock catagory, where did they rank it btw?

For the money the EVO and STI are a great deal in todays dollar, but the 7 is just the rare car that can do it all <MINUS> engine longenitivity and silly stuff like that.

As far as the 7 only having 2 seats, thats because its a sportscar, not a ralley car. I prefer sporstcars, JMP.

Hercules

I have to ask revhappy, where do you get your numbers from?

The Evo was tested on Car and Driver and generally, they get the best results for their numbers...

The Evo pulled a .90g on the 300 foot skidpad and a 157mph 70-0 braking. Lane change was 71.5 as well.

I am confused as to how C&D could be so far off the .97+g figure you have given.

Also, as interesting as it is (not) to argue paper statistics, the fact of the matter is that very few of us will be able to use both the RX-8 or the Evo to their limits, and people buy the cars they like. This is getting very much into the territory of Skyline's posts, that simply disagree with RX-8 owners based on the fact that <insert car here> is better on paper, but doesn't ever account for the fact that each driver has his and her own preferences.

In the end, I think the Evo and STi are applications for speed and handling with none of the creature comforts a lot of people want. And ya know what... some people prefer those creature comforts and liveable cabin. Now when you get the Evo, or whatever car... you will enjoy it because you chose it based on your needs and your requirements in a car. Also to point out further, these "I heard such and such from Evo forum about the RX-7..." type posts well... they simply irritate and bias information that really can't be verified which is why I'd recommend you simply not post those references.

This is in the end, an RX-8 forum. Now if you're here to join in the banter of what the RX-8 can do better then that's great, we are happy to have you. But if you want to come here and troll like Skyline has done so very well, and explain to people that the Evo is the better car (because you think so) then I suggest you stay at the Evo forums.

Cheers.

revhappy

I believe the SCCA played around with it initially in SS and then moved it to AS. Oh, the RX7 will be a classic and it did it all. It was always my favorite Japanese sports car from the 1st generation on. Don't forget there are higher powered, more stripped down versions of the EVO overseas (i.e. Tommy Mackinon version) that could be more competitive on a track, but of course that's not their direct racing application.

If the RX7 were available today and its reliability issues weren't there, I'd likely take it over the EVO (if prices were close).

P00Man

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revhappy

Here is the Road and Track Result:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/...ancer_data.pdf

The breaking for the 60' to 0' test from motor trend:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/s...st/index1.html

The slalom tests were consistently in the high 60s to the low 70s.

I beleive there is a good deal of variability in skidpad figures based on the testing and environmental conditions. I'm not a "magazine racer", but was just trying to make the point in the above post that just because the RX7 recieved a .97 G skipdap result in a test doesn't by itself make it the ultimate handling machine (its success on race tracks supports that more IMHO and I think its one of the best handling cars ever).

QUOTE]Originally posted by Hercules
Also, as interesting as it is (not) to argue paper statistics, the fact of the matter is that very few of us will be able to use both the RX-8 or the Evo to their limits, and people buy the cars they like. This is getting very much into the territory of Skyline's posts, that simply disagree with RX-8 owners based on the fact that <insert car here> is better on paper, but doesn't ever account for the fact that each driver has his and her own preferences. [/QUOTE]

I wouldn't exactly say that. The EVO for example has very short gearing and you can enjoy the acceleration through the rev range through 3rd gear (redline is at 78 MPH) and probobly not get a ticket (on a highway of course). If you find a tight enough twisty you can easily exceed the limits of most cars quite easily (many S2K owners have "spun" their car out at least once on public roads).

That being said I truly respect other people's preferences, specifically regarding the mix of luxury/comfort and perfromance. Personally, as my name may suggest, I prefer lightweight high-reving, "low-torque" engines. For me, the EVO was a better execution of a design I also liked, than was the RX8 or the S2K. If the Renesis was in something like a 2nd Generation RX7, I proboblyu would have bought that. In fact, if the RSX Type R was here, I may have purchased it over the EVO despite the obvious performance gap. The reason I picked the EVO was not because of its on paper performance, but the driving dynamics experienced after two test-drives (steering feel, quick reflexes, gearing, etc.).

QUOTE]Originally posted by Hercules In the end, I think the Evo and STi are applications for speed and handling with none of the creature comforts a lot of people want. And ya know what... some people prefer those creature comforts and liveable cabin. Now when you get the Evo, or whatever car... you will enjoy it because you chose it based on your needs and your requirements in a car. Also to point out further, these "I heard such and such from Evo forum about the RX-7..." type posts well... they simply irritate and bias information that really can't be verified which is why I'd recommend you simply not post those references.

This is in the end, an RX-8 forum. Now if you're here to join in the banter of what the RX-8 can do better then that's great, we are happy to have you. But if you want to come here and troll like Skyline has done so very well, and explain to people that the Evo is the better car (because you think so) then I suggest you stay at the Evo forums.

Cheers. [/B][/QUOTE]

Oh please! The rants about the EVO's cabin are nearly as bad as the "low-torque" nonsense about the RX8 and S2K. The seats are fantastic as is the steering wheel and the gearshift. The dashboard and controls are economy car -like, but so what? If that's a deal-breaker for an enthusiast, that's sad, but to each their own I guess.

Ok here are some of those posts:

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...&highlight=rx7

http://www.rx7club.com/forum/showthr...7&pagenumber=1

I've been a member of this site for almost a year and a lurker for six months before that. So now, I am a troll??? Doesn't that go against you official defintition (first few post are antagonistic and meant to draw a negative reaction). My postion is that the RX8 was too watered down for mass consumption, and to a lesser extent was overhyped by mazda ("sports car like no other" "clean and efficient", etc.). I believe the RX8 is an excellent sporty sports sedan, but only a mediocre sports car. IMHO, to appropriately be a Mazda sports car, it needs to drop several hundred pounds and tighten up the suspension.

zerobanger

actually, the rx7 got a .97 and a .98.

As far as the torque thing, Torque is *NOT* over rated. I dont want to launch my car at 7500 rpm like a S2000 or RX8, on the other hand, too much torque is just as stilly IMO.

sure the evo is faster than the Rx8, but the Rx8 has better fit, finish and looks 100 X better than the EVO. You can see the quality built into the rx8, its not based on an economy car. Im not ripping on the EVO, STI or the NEON but at heart they ARE based on one. With that said, they offer great performance for the money, but I'd rather drive an RX-8 than one of those. JMP.

revhappy

Oh, I never denied anyone that point. Believe me, the EVO/STI are great cars, but if you don't like the looks (or should I say hate them) then that's a very valid point. I like the RX8 and it was actually my third choice (EVO then the S2K). When I was initially shopping the RX8 and the EVO were reversed, but in the end the RX8 was disappointing for me. That being said, if I was cross-shopping a G35 or a 3 Series, I would take the RX8 in a heartbeat. My point is that some people are thinking the car has supercar performance except for acceleration and I think they will be greatly disappointed after spending $30K.

revhappy

Well, a low-torque car is not a drag-racer, period. However, it gives you a lighter engine (assuming small displacement, high output powerplant) that is smaller and can be more ideally placed in the vehicle. Plus, they are fun and I imagine faciliates a slick gearbox. However, these types of cars have to be fairly bare bones to compete against their torquier counterparts. Automatic transmission and lots of luxury items don't fit, thus they are enthusiasts cars!

zerobanger

found the quote button. Well, your point doesnt exactly work because the rotary is so damn small and with a turbo or s/c will make more/as much torque as a V8.

As C/D said they were able to take the rx8 to 0 -60 in 5.8 with a 7500 clutch drop but it was something like 2 seconds slower from the 5-60. I want to be able to hit the gas pedal and throw me back it the seat. Put a turbo on the rx8, it can rev and will have torque. Best of both worlds.

revhappy

That's what made the 3rd Generation such a beast!!! Unfortunately, that type of turbo system wasn't reliable. Still, a lightweight high reving NA is a nice thing too, IMHO. But, its not for you based on your post.