Winning

Well, I have an Sti. I know it doesn't look that fantastic, but it can kick any VQ skyline, 350Z and Neon's ***!!!! Twisties, straight line, mountain you name it!!! It is also less expensive than G35C or 350Z, in standard form unless the new GTR come out, you all can forget seeing my tail lights in mountain passes.

I am still getting my RX8 because I love the package. Even if the G35C or even 350Z is cheaper than the RX8, will I get it instead of the RX8? No way, I personally think the G35C is sooo ugly, fat and does not look as lean and sit as nice as the RX8. While the 350Z design does not have character at all, you can see a lot of Porsche and Audi TT influence in the design. And to make it worse, the same VQ engine with maxima, so expect awful exhaust note.

I love the GT-Rs 32, 33, and 34 just hope that R35 does not use the same flatform as the skyline coupe and 350Zand more powerful VQ engine . If it does, it does not deserve the GTR badge anymore!! On the other hand, if the two door RX8 use the same platform and more powerful renesis engine, it deserve the RX7 badge. Everyone agree with this?

You all have to remember that the RX8 that we are getting at the moment is sort of the beginning of the RX8 line and renesis rotary!! we don't have much choice. Expect more and better variation to come like Mazdaspeed and RX7. Then we all have more choices for different needs.

Like I said the bottom line is if I like the RX8, you can say whatever you want I don't care. If you like you G35coupe, and everyone else in this forum is getting the RX8, so what!!!! It is your money, and different people has different taste!!! Enjoy your Best Motoring track victory in your own forum, please!! And even better since you'all have your skyline coupe already, enjoy your car instead of wasting so much time in the RX8 forum!!! Just pity us that we still have not receive our RX8 yet. So if you still cannot resist to tell us about your Best Motoring stuff, please wait until sometimes next month. Because most of us will enjoy our RX8 and most likely will not be here for a while!!!

khoney

Which is why I ordered mine. And a faster 0-60 than my '87 RX-7 TII makes me plenty happy. Add in that the RX-8 is said to have better handling than ANY RX-7, and I'm ecstatic!

I will have zero regrets about buying this car, even if I'm continually beat off the line at a traffic light by jerks in their muscle-cars. If I were them I would derive no pleasure from knowing that my sh*t-box is faster than someone else's work of art. They just don't get it. Fortunately, I do.

block911

Sweet have fun getting toasted bhttp://www.rx8forum.com/images/icons/icon13.gif
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Hercules

Unlike you, we fortunately are comfortable with our manhood enough that we don't need to rev the engine to the retard sitting in the lane next to us.

And if he revs his engine at us... I'll rev it back and when the light turns... let him fly down the street like he *really* accomplished something.

This car is for *me*. Not for the idiot next to me that wants to show off his 'l33t' skills in dropping the clutch, like he actually knows how to drive.

chenpin

dude, not everyone thinks like you. Just because you don't like doesn't mean no one else can.

Skyline Maniac

Sheesh Winning, don't lash out at me. I took the time to purchase the VHS and write a detailed review of the BM video for the benefit of the forum. I am sorry if the RX-8 didn't come out on top, but like I said, the video shows both the strength and weakness of the RX-8 in various conditions. For anyone who hasn't driven the RX-8 who are driving enthusiasts, this video is very valuable. I didn't expected be flamed by you (most forum members have been very mature)about posting these info. I suppose the next time I get my hands on RX-8 info I should just keep quiet? :p

I won't bother respond to your Nissan bashing. If you don't like it, so be it. There is no need for me to defend the Nissan duo here.

I think everyone on the forum should see this video, just like how you should also read the magazine reviews, test drive the car and compare them for yourselves. I think the BM video is perhaps the best source of info when it comes to competitive driving, real track/twisties performance and insights from real auto experts. (Read the BM driver's experiences in driving. I doubt you can find too many more experienced drivers in the world) Unfortunately I can't seem to rip the video due to its native protection, so I suppose we'll have to wait for someone else to do it and host the video on the forum.

btw: chenpin, I know what you meant about the rev. Rev happy cars are very fun to drive, especially when they handle very well. That's what gives the S2000 that magic formula. 4 wheel motorcycles. :D

Winning

First of all, I know my Nissan, I love my GTR, and I know my GTR. If GTR is using the same engine as the Maxima, it is something to be ashamed of. Ask all GTR owners and they will say the same thing.

Second, dont' try to be so understanding and mature in this forum about the RX8 not winning the battle. Everyone know what you intention is by writing all these in this forum. You sounds very different in you other forum by the way.

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...b=5&o=&fpart=1

Familiar with these:
"Skyline Coupe beat the RX-8","RX-8 got its *** kicked by everyone ","why the hell would you guess the RX-8 in front of the G", and you accused me for "Nissan bashing"? At least I never waste my time and try to be so understanding at your forum when the G35 coupe got beaten by the RX8 at C&D.

And now Best Motoring is one of the best publication, eh??? Simply because they have the G35C kicking *** on their track test. I know they are one of the best and respectable. They have races where the RX7 FD beat every other cars, and there are occasion on a different day and different driver where every other cars beat the RX7 on the same track.

The other reason why I love my RX8 is because it is a pure breed sports car. It doesn't share chassis and engine with any other sedan from Mazda or Ford. It doesn't have to be the fastest or the quickest around the track. It is expected with the power and torque of the car. But at least the car has its own character.


PS: now Best Motoring just found one more loyal customer. and talking about maturity, hmmmm....

Skyline Maniac

Like I said, suit yourself.

About your VQ engine, FM platform dissing, just one thing: Do you know what JGTC is? Do me a favor and check it out before you put on the Nissan Expert suit. Anything else personal you want to say to me, feel free to PM me.

Hercules

Winning, you said what I was thinking ...

and no, not pertaining to Skyline's post, but rather that every day a different driver can make or break a car's lap times. If a driver has the runs, he won't be comfy in the seat and thus times are going to be off.

I mean, when C&D had the same editor put three cars thru the paces and they wound up within one second of each other... and now you have a different video where the RX-8 "got its *** kicked"... it says something.

That's why I don't put much stock into these lap times. It's nice to see what a car is *capable* of doing on a track but really it's useless to watch a video unless they are relaying the feel of the car while driving, which they aren't. That's why I like the Top Gear/5th Gear series, because as they are driving, they relay information like "this gearbox is notchy", or "wow what a suspension dip!" etc..

When I get in the RX-8 and take it for a spin I'll know for sure. Acelleration is not something I'm really worried about at all because even at a street start, 7.5 seconds is not *terrible*. People make it out that the RX-8 would *never* be able to merge into traffic and if I can do it with my AGRESSIVE, BRAKE TORQUEING 0-60 time of 9+ seconds in my Millenia.. the RX-8 will have no problem.

It's a constant perpetuation that cars *need* more power. Personally instead of ADDING displacement, I'd rather they remove weight. This is why Mazda is an enthusiast company, and it's a niche that I fit into. While most of America is pushing to the "give me more power, bigger, better, etc", Mazda will continue to push to the side with the emphasis on a stable chassis, rotary development, and a lightweight, agile and nimble package that's a blast to drive.

Now whichever car you buy... kudos to ya. This video would not bother me in the slightest because as I said... lap times vary so signifigantly from driver to driver and day to day that it's stupid to bring them into account. As said many, many times.. you don't drive a spec sheet.

Get in the car, and if it feels right for you, slap some damn money on the table.

Otherwise, get another car and enjoy that whichever way you will.

Hercules

Somethin else to note...

I remember when the G35/G35C was released and the BMW 330 beat it in almost every comparison, and I was lurking on those G35 forums back then...

Every magazine that gave the G35 subpar reviews to the 330 "didn't know ****", and then when Motor Trend gave the G35 the prize, everybody felt vindicated.

Seriously.... magazine racing is for people who don't know how to drive. Because if you know how to drive at all... you know its not in the numbers that makes a car.

Judging purely from numbers... the McLaren F1 is subpar to a *LOT* of exotics and you'd never choose it.

Yet reviewers still rate it the best and most fun car to drive to date. Despite the numbers AND laptimes.

Skyline Maniac

The G35C reviews? which one were you referring to? C&D? Autoweek? ROad & Track? Motor Trend? I don't remember reading about a review like that.

Hercules, I think you should watch the video anyways even though you say it's useless. Afterall, the BM staff are the pros and they know what they are doing. Many people talk about the capabilities of automobiles, and it doesn't get any better than watch factory stock cars competing on a race track. If you are looking for FUN TO DRIVE, you'll love the video as well. The RX-8 looked very good around tight corners and in the mountain pass.

BM is certainly a very credible publication that has been around for a long long time. If you ever watched BM, you'd know it is on par, if not better than Top Gears. Info is related from in race recording, multiple drivers, serious discussions and detailed descriptions for its characters. Ask anyone in the JDM auto scene about Best Motoring and its drivers before dismissing it.

You are correct to a certain extend, we don't drive a spec sheet. In the sense that most people will never explore the full performance envalope of their automobiles. That's why cars like SUV, Camry, Passats and minivans sell so well.

With regards to the drivers, please give Best Motoring staff some credit. These are par none the best drivers in Japan, and all of them have a long credential of racing experience. I don't disagree that drivers make a difference in these races, but only to a certain extend. Allow me to share some more info regarding the RX-8 and Tsukuba: Many auto publishing companies had the pleasure of testing the RX-8 on Tsukuba Circuit and their results timed. Most everyone has been getting 1'11 with the RX-8 on Tsukuba. (including a time attack in the June issue, time attack in July and also Options magazine) In comparison, modern GT-R, NSX have been timed around 1'05 in Tsukuba, and G35C has timed in in 1'09. (by the same driver as the RX-8)

For those of you who bagged on the RX-8 driver, he drove the G35C in the May issue, and did really well against a M3 and 350Z. (the last place 350Z driver was driven by S2000 driver in the July issue)

Are some of you guys implying the validity of the video is questionable? This is BM and professional drivers we are talking about. Don't be bashing them unless you think you can do better.

Skyline Maniac

http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2942

Let's try not to discredit ALL publications. Anyhow, stop arguing over nothing. This post was about information of a competitive video about the RX-8, and that's all.

Puppy1

Here, here.

Bashing the BM staff will not give us what we all really want......more torque. The 8 will stand on its own, just like the Miata and the first 2 generations of RX. If you want more power, then this version of the is not for you, but it is perfect for me.

Hercules

Skyline, sometimes people can just have a 'bad day.'

When it's said that the "RX-8 got its *** kicked" and per your own words... is lacking about 2 seconds behind, I think that's pretty reasonable.

So if the BM video showed the G35 Coupe in a landslide victory over the RX-8 as it seems to have been done, then yea, I'll say that the driver had a bad day. Why? Because you YOURSELF said the RX-8 was getting ~1'11 on the track... and the G35 Coupe 1'09. Thus, a 2 second (or less) deficit is reasonable... so it's how people translate it into words.

Skyline Maniac

Close to 2 seconds per lap, 5 laps race.... how many car lengths would the RX-8 be trailing by end of 5 laps?

Are we going to keep playing this BM-Driver-Sucks game?

Hercules

Guess we have to see that video

ml2316

if anything winning can lash out at me, since i started the thread. skyline maniac deserves thanks for supplying the info.

ml2316

i dunno. in best motoring comparo with the z, m3, and g i got the feeling the older z driver (father of the g driver?) wasn't taking it as seriously as the other two. at the end he doesn't participate in the discussion at all, and it's obvious he is the least agressive of the three drivers when you watch the race. i can believe that some drivers aren't driving as hard in these comparos. and i doubt they are all intensely competitive when they participate in best motoring video shoots. i think it's more about getting impressions of these cars from expert drivers than it is about competition.

Hercules

Taken from the FreshAlloy forums, when I asked if the Skyline Coupe is the same as the G35 Coupe in the states:

So there's a bit of info... take it as you will.

ml2316

i think hercules is just making the simple point that different drivers and different conditions can yield different results. he's not discrediting anyone.

RX-8 Zoomster

Skyline Mechanic (aka. CPV35SukairainKupe, Skyline2, Sukairain, V35, and SSS),

Maybe you can also be known as "Sky two-faced".

Don't have access to the video? Yeah right.

It's funny you post this remark when according to your post on the Fresh Alloy forum, click here , that someone ripped the video for you on June 6.

"Winning" is right. We know your real intention on this thread and/or forum - to stir the pot. I know from being a member of the Fresh Alloy forum as "Stlr#1fan" since last year (since I was going to buy a G35), that you have done nothing but bad mouth the RX-8 on that forum along with every other car that seriously challenges the G35. You have every right too there, since you own the G35 and are a member there. Don't play your innocent "troll" routine here. You may sugar coat your messages here, but I know how you really are. You may have some of the forum members here fooled, but some of us know better.

Every post here you state how good the RX-8 is, but the message always has been, "but the G35 does this better". To me, the RX-8 is better in the things that are important to me. IMO, the G35 has a less attractive interior, among other things. I also like the styling of the RX-8 better. You are also wrong about the price. An equally equipped G35c with Navigation is over $4000 more than my RX-8. Big selling point to me.

I don't mind if you want to post here, and you are free to do so. But try to do it honestly, without your "subliminal" messages of how great the G35 is. It's a great car, I admit, but not without it's problems. People here need to visit the Fresh Alloy forum and get a real idea. It does have it's share of problems.

Also, I admit people need to drive other cars if they are unsure of their purchase. To many, the RX-8 will suit them just fine. Others may choose the G35 or something else.

chenpin

Gee, isn't this important information when talking about this comparo? How about we have a Mazdaspeed RX-8 race a normal G35c and state that it is only a normal RX-8?

Better tires, better suspension, more power....hmmmm wonder how a RX8 will do with these things. where's the rolleyes smiley?

zoom44

hey block911 didn't you already "pass" on the 8 and buy a Mazda6s?

Jimmylove

I wouldn't put much stock into ONE best motoring video. You'll see results vary from show to show. For instance, the debut battle for the Honda S2000 saw it come in last place behind the DC2 Type R and S15. The drivers noted, especially Gan-san that it was the worst feeling S2000 he's driven (he was a consultant for Honda during development). It's still too early to say the RX8 is "slower" than the competition.

Hercules is right by saying the video will never show how the cars feel, which is worth a lot more than lap times IMO.

In defense of BM, all the drivers are seasoned professionals and trust me they drive to win. A level of competativeness is clearly shown on each race.

Renesis08

I will be getting my copy in on Monday. Sorry for the long wait but that is when it arrives at the store here. They may get the Hot Version as well *Crosses Fingers* :D.