paimon.soror

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... smh

RIWWP

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The 16x engine is already shelved.

The dimensions may live on, but the "16x" iteration of the rotary will never see production. It was pre-SkyActive, and the Sky-R isn't going to be the same engine at all.

gwilliams6

The engine number designation doesn't really matter. What matters is that Mazda will have a new rotary RX7 not RX9, based on a stretched MX5 platform. A dedicated two-seater (except in Japan where there will be an obligatory small rear seat). The engine will be a larger displacement with improved fuel economy and perhaps the first production laser ignition . Mazda is taking its time till 2017 to get it right and also to build capital with the success of it's highly-regarded skyactiv cars. I am sure this rotary engine, with its first-ever in a rotary direct injection will be a stunner and address many of the rotary's shortcomings. Word from my friends at Mazda North America is that Mazda is shooting for close to 300 HP in normal aspiration. I am sure we will see some styling possibility "leaked" out in the next couple of years. I for one are saving my pennies to be ready for 2017. The rotary engine is the soul of Mazda and what put it on the automotive map. It will be their new flagship car.

This is a premix thread so forgive the content here,just wanted to clear some air here.

Nines

Why would they name it RX7? AFAIK, the RX designation stands for Rotary EXperiment and the following number designates the generation. In this case it would be the 9th RX model, or RX9.

gwilliams6

Mazda has already announced that it will be designated an RX7, NOT RX9. It will be the fourth generation of the RX7. That RX7 nameplate has been the most famous, successfull and storied rotary engine car, that is why Mazda wishes to recapture some of that glory with naming their 2017 rotary car an RX7. The RX7 name and number did not change through three different generations from 1978 through 1995 (in USA) and through 2003 (in Japan) .

Now lets stop talking the next car and get back to talking premix please.

ASH8

Mazda has not announced anything about exactly when or IF there will be any new rotary, it is all internet gossip...let alone it's model and name.

As for MNAO they do not make the cars there, they are a DISTRIBUTION branch of MMC Japan, just like ANY of their distributors around the world.

There is still NOTHING in the planning for any actual new rotary model....

There is still NO business case for one, Mazda does not make cars just for the USA, Europe economy is still in the crap heap, and USA is still riding on a dream of real growth.

Obviously IF and when there is one it will be off the ND MX-5, just like all recent RX-'s share platforms, in fact all of then from memory (nothing new there).

nycgps

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stop calling it the next Rx7, there is no more rx7, it will either be called rx8 again (just like sa/fc/fd), or just rx9.

RIWWP

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Seems fixed. I to thinking that the thread had lost, or not updated, it's total reply count. So I deleted a post, then restored it, and page 2 is accessible now.

zoom44

there is only 2 pages here. so just glitch that pearl seems to have fixed with his deletion.


on topic- Ash don't be such a pessimist. there WILLL be another rx car they are working on it keep the faith man!!!

FNLR3

Hmm, why do people think the wankel engine is such a niche product in its very nature?

Whole lot fewer engineering challenges to make a wankel run on hydrogen or anything else than an otto, Right there, that makes it worth keeping alive as an engineering concept.

So much of this thread has, correctly, pointed out how things learned through the development of Sky-Active will find their way into the RX program (just as the gram strategy used first for the third-gen MX-5 made its way into Sky-Active). Things being talked about for the next RX engine (direct injection, laser ignition, et al) could easily find their way into the otto cycle program at Mazda. Unit costs can be higher for the RX because we will pay (within reason) what we have to have one, so the RX program makes a nice stalking horse for the otto cycle program.

That the talk has been so consistent about using the MX-5 platform means a significant production cost is being addressed in a way that also puts in place certain limits for the engineers. I see that as a sign of intent to make progress. Progress, of course does not necessarily flow from intentions, but whenever Mazda does it, it means more.

zoom44

because its so simple. piston engines being more complex have many many more variables that can be more easily manipulated to get your desired outcome. wankels are practically unchangeable one manufactured by comparison

Mazmart

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As you are close to my heart (As a younger brother), I must make this correction: The next rotary car if it gets the green light WILL be called RX-7. It will be the proper successor in the family. The name is iconic, and arguably LEGENDARY!

Gone are; flip up headlights, 70 vacuum lines, sequential twin turbos and peripheral exhaust ports.

Paul.

ASH8

Current new car sales stats just out for Europe and total car sales (most brands) are still going back-wards (except Mazda CX-5 and 6)....that is almost 6 years of zero growth.

USA are still 2 million (new car units) a year behind it's best before the GFC.

Until there is actual growth in Europe/Japan there will not be a green light for any new RE/RX.

Just in passing I heard today that it appears world Banks/Lenders have not learned any lessons about loaning out money, according to our news (TV) an economist said that high risk lending (loans/finance) has crept back to even higher levels than before the GFC!!!...the old hockey stick J curve in the past 2 years.

Meanwhile the USA and Europe keeps printing new money....more debt.

Hyperinflation anyone.

Look out here comes another crash.

nycgps

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No ！ bring the flip up lights back, 80 vacuum lines and 50 solenoids, quad turbo with peripheral and side ports then I will let them call it a rx7!

nycgps

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Come on now ash, when they first announced this qe bullshit u knew that day will come

Just look at the way yen goes lately u know something is up.

ZoomZoom999

Could this new Mazda RWD platform evolve into the next RX-*?

Early Mazda MX-5 / Alfa Romeo Spider Prototype Spotted - Motor Trend WOT

viprez586

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Agreed, the USA is digging it's hole deeper and deeper everyday.

Wouldn't be surprised if a war starts when China want's us to pay our surpassed loans.

liesls8

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This is a longer wheel base than the previous miata

j9fd3s

they already had an Rx9, its a turkey.

the Miata platform being used for the next rotary, Rx-Ham sandwich, is what they did with the Rx8. secondly since Alfa is having Mazda design a chassis for the new spider/Mx5, they will have a new design to use for the rotary car if any.

so its been done before, and it makes some practical sense to do it again.

actually some really great cars have come from parts bins, the miata, the 1st Rx7, some of the classic british cars from the 50s, etc.

RIWWP

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Not true. Mazda is designing the ND Miata, and Alfa is simply purchasing the design to use for their roadster, and paying Mazda to assemble the car. It is a cash flow for Mazda only, Alpha has no significant input on the chassis design.

It's fundamentally the same as police departments commissioning a Interceptor from Ford, where Ford uses the Crown Vic platform with Interceptor specific parts. Only in this case the car is going to get a different brand name and many components will be supplied by Alpha (Engine, transmission, electronics, interior, etc...)




I agree with the other points though.

j9fd3s

just an idea here, but is it too simple to put a roof on the miata, and offer a rotary engine?

basically this just puts the rotary into an existing small, light car, which could be really neat.

RIWWP

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The Renesis was developed in the NC chassis. Many of us have, for years, been prompting Mazda to put the Renesis2 in the NC, even if a limited production run. They would easily sell at least a few thousand.

The subframes have identical mounting points, the rear diff mounting is identical, the ECUs are very similar with all the non-engine stuff, the wiring harnesses are similar, etc... It would be very very simple for the factory to put together. I expect the problem would be with the legal side of things, emissions and crash testing. Not that it wouldn't pass, just that Mazda would have to pay for that all over again.

Drumm09

WOWIE.................

What is this beauty..................?

Mazda Auto Adapt: LA Design Challenge 2013 Photo Gallery - Autoblog

ASH8

Just hand on a tick please, the Renesis was not developed 'in the NC chassis'...

The SE(FE) platform was in production for 2 years before the NC was production born.

The NC MX-5 was developed off the RX-8...Not the other way around.

Most of the NC suspension parts are the same as RX-8, however they are all lighter in their construction, so they are not technically identical, but they will install.

As for the electrics, nothing is the same, the only parts which are identical are some globes, fuses and flasher (indicator can) module...

Old Rotor

Ok I want one who wants to make it?