kry

high end torque sucks for autox that's all..

celica gt 140hp and celica gts 180 hp (high end torque)

turns out celica gt won a lot of SCCA AutoX champ why? because celica gt has low end torque and it takes time to rev up and keep it in the powerband for GTS

same as s2k it takes time to rev up the vtec powerband and keep it there..

ZoomZoomH

iTrader: (1)

so true.... very hard to keep car in power range in 20mph tight hairpins

Rich

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I get to 7k (redline) every run, and on high speed courses I often spend a lot of time around 6k.

maxcooper

The mazdarx-8.com site says the redlines are 7500 for auto tranny and 9000 for manual. The tach on manual FDs (93-95 RX-7, US) have a red tick at 7500 RPM, even though the true redline is 8000 RPM where it goes solid red. Perhaps it is another thing like that in the pics you saw.

-Max

BryanH

Unless I'm very much mistaken, an S2000 won its class (BS) at Nationals this year. So much for your theory.

Lack of torque doesn't necessarily mean a car won't win its class. There are lots of other factors that determine which cars can win at the National level. There are lots of very good cars that just don't win because they're not classed competitively.

kry

Prepared -
Class B
You'll find high performance, production based non-street-driven vehicles here. Cars retain their original design, structure, and drive layout unless otherwise specified in the Solo Rules. Minimum weights are specified for all cars as part of the classing structure. Please refer to the Solo Rules for details on the allowable modifications.

http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/classes/index.html

rx-8@mazda

who bothers to measure 1/4 mile and 0-60?

Cornering and Braking is what makes driving fun (in my humble personal opinion).

speed is measured by the rate of your pulse

Now, probably the RX-8 will be close to the S2000 in these measurement criteria but much more engaging and fun to drive. Same sort of torque, similar Engine PS - Okay, the roof doesn't open but the rotary engine characteristics, RX-8 suspension and braking make it great fun.

I like the reference to the Maita/MX-5. Other manufacturers build faster roadsters but none is balanced fun like the Mazda.

kry

i think the mr2 spyder is pretty good too ^^"

sheylen

The engines of the S2000 and the RX-8 have similar characteristics. The power to weight ratio is also similar, it should result in similar acceleration. The major difference will be the character of the engine at high revs. To keep the S2000 often-above 6000 revs is at the end very tiring and limits its performance in day-to-day use. The rotary (I have unfortunately never driven one) should be very smooth above 6000revs, which makes is performance a lot more usable.

honda_s2k

I have owned an S2000 since the first week of release in 9/99.

You do not have to keep the S in the VTEC range ( >5800 rpm), in order to enjoy this car. In my opinion, the performance characteristics below VTEC are not at all tiring and are actually quite good. This F20C engine has two distinct personalities: 1) it is very tame but quick below VTEC and 2) when VTEC "kicks in", the engine becomes an extremely loud beast pushing the car with rapid acceleration all the way to 9K.

I would expect the powerband on the RX-8 to be smooth all the way to the redline. This is going to be a new experience for me as well. I too, have never driven a rotary but I am looking forward to it.

Buger

More S2000 - RX-8 comparison stuff here: http://rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s...1289#post21289

The major difference between the RX-8 and the s2000 is that the RX-8 powerband comes in much earlier than the s2000 one.

B18C5

dood, I don't mean to be rude, but do you even know what you're talking about? Here's something that explains the relationship between horsepower and torque:
http://www.v8914.com/Horsepower-v-torque.htm

The GT's biggest advantage over the GTS is it's 15" wheels. It allows the GT be raced with much better rubber. It has been debated that it makes a stock GT quicker than a stock GTS, but it doesn't matter since they run in different classes anyway.

I drive a Type R. It doesn't take me any time to "rev up to keep it in the power band". I rev the car to 7000, drop the clutch, then I'm never below 6500 again. How would having more low end torque help me?

The class you quoted off SCCA's site is B-Prepared. Not B stock. Big difference.

I wouldn't put too much faith into what you see in those Best Motoring videos. They're meant to be considered more as entertainment. It's obvious that the drivers are of varying skill levels. And their method of gridding the cars is meant more to make an interesting race to watch than to compare car's lap times.

kry

yes, i realized i was wrong about that... but u must have to be a good tip and toe driver to keep your rev that high during cornering