Traded Auto for Manual. But how to drive?
03-22-2005, 03:18 AM
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First of all, unless you live very far away from the dealership, there's no reason why you can't request to have your salesman drive it home for you. Back when I was buying a manual Mazda 3, I specifically told the salesman that I wasn't very good at manual and wasn't confident enough to drive it into traffic yet, and he had no problem with driving it home for me. We hopped in the 3 together, and he got another salesman to drive along another car to pick him up afterwards. See if you can't arrange something similar. I mean you did just drop a couple grand for them, the least they could do is get it to your home.
Secondly, I think the simplest thing to tell someone first and foremost when they're learning manual is to just not let go of the clutch all the way at one time. I swear if my friend had simply told me that at first instead of all this "wait for the clutch to catch, just feel it, feel it...", I would have learned manual a lot quicker. Letting the clutch out too quickly is how you end up bucking and stalling.
Anyways, once you get the car home, just practice getting a feel for the clutch. When I was getting to know the 3, I found that just simply reversing and driving back into my driveway was a very good way to learn the clutch's catchpoint, along with practicing how to add gas while letting the clutch out smoothly. I also learned how to crawl the car along, something that's critical when you're in bumper to bumper traffic. This helps you overcome probably the hardest part of manual, getting the car started from a stop.
You should eventually take the car out into the streets, but only late at night ideally with little cars on the road, just so that you can practice dealing with how you would shift up and down, in stop and go traffic situations, with traffic lights/stop signs.
Next up is practicing starting on hills, and then moving right along to rev matching. Get all of this downpat and you're good to go.
Yeah, after typing all this out, I'm glad I drive an automatic...
Secondly, I think the simplest thing to tell someone first and foremost when they're learning manual is to just not let go of the clutch all the way at one time. I swear if my friend had simply told me that at first instead of all this "wait for the clutch to catch, just feel it, feel it...", I would have learned manual a lot quicker. Letting the clutch out too quickly is how you end up bucking and stalling.
Anyways, once you get the car home, just practice getting a feel for the clutch. When I was getting to know the 3, I found that just simply reversing and driving back into my driveway was a very good way to learn the clutch's catchpoint, along with practicing how to add gas while letting the clutch out smoothly. I also learned how to crawl the car along, something that's critical when you're in bumper to bumper traffic. This helps you overcome probably the hardest part of manual, getting the car started from a stop.
You should eventually take the car out into the streets, but only late at night ideally with little cars on the road, just so that you can practice dealing with how you would shift up and down, in stop and go traffic situations, with traffic lights/stop signs.
Next up is practicing starting on hills, and then moving right along to rev matching. Get all of this downpat and you're good to go.
Yeah, after typing all this out, I'm glad I drive an automatic...
03-22-2005, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Vertigo-1
First of all, unless you live very far away from the dealership, there's no reason why you can't request to have your salesman drive it home for you.
Having people tell you what to do and actually doing it are two very separate things when it comes to driving with a clutch.
The 8 manual is easy to drive once you get the hang of it - but you really do need someone who knows how to drive a manual to at least show you initially how to do it. Then you can try and they can critique you the first few times you try. It will save you and your car a lot of grief.
I think it's a big mistake to jump in your nice new car at the dealership and try to drive a manual for the first time.
03-22-2005, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by sferrett
Also, you can just ask if someone at the dealership could take 15 minutes to show you how to drive a stick. Don't worry about your pride. Anyone who has the guts to buy an MT RX-8 without knowing how to drive a stick ranks as pretty courageous in my book.
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03-22-2005, 09:34 AM
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Smoke Honda, I do not know where you reside, but if you are anywhere near Santa Clarita, in Southern California, I would be happy to teach you. It isnt too hard once you understand manuals. The 8 was my first manual car, and at first the burning smell resided in my interior :p I have an extra clutch if you burn yours out 
03-22-2005, 09:38 AM
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You should have told your Mazda salesman you didn't know how. My salesman told me she was teaching a young lady drive stick in the back of the parking lot for an hour on another car before he made the sale. Some salesmen are really cool.
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I live in Boston too, what dealer did you buy it from? There are a few other 8 owners here from Boston perhaps one of them can help you out. Maybe drive it home for you. I really recomend you don't drive on a main road the first time you drive stick especially in Boston. Nothing is worse than stalling in the middle of the road when trying to turn left on a busy street from a complete stop, especially when you have a brand new car. Especially with all the a-hole drivers around here.
I would agree with everyone in that you should find a friend or anyone to drive it to a safe place, then you can practice for a bit. I bought my first stick shift car brand new and I had only driven standard once before. I managed to get it home and after the first few miles it got much easier but it was a scary ride and I stalled at almost every light.
I really recomend letting the car warm up completley before trying to drive this until you are used to launching. You are learning and you will stall. Stalling isn't too bad on the car, but with the possiblility of the 8 flooding when being shut off cold you really want to be sure its warmed up in case you do stall it. I have been driving stick for 6 years and I wouldn't move my 8 for the first 2 weeks until it was completley warmed up because I didn't want to risk stalling cold while I was getting used to the clutch.
I would agree with everyone in that you should find a friend or anyone to drive it to a safe place, then you can practice for a bit. I bought my first stick shift car brand new and I had only driven standard once before. I managed to get it home and after the first few miles it got much easier but it was a scary ride and I stalled at almost every light.
I really recomend letting the car warm up completley before trying to drive this until you are used to launching. You are learning and you will stall. Stalling isn't too bad on the car, but with the possiblility of the 8 flooding when being shut off cold you really want to be sure its warmed up in case you do stall it. I have been driving stick for 6 years and I wouldn't move my 8 for the first 2 weeks until it was completley warmed up because I didn't want to risk stalling cold while I was getting used to the clutch.
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I would definately suggest asking the dealership for some help. Ask them if they have an older car on their used lot, like an old Miata (very, VERY easy car to drive, and is in fact, the manual I first drove). You definately don't want to learn on a Mustang or anything, they suck to drive and they're even worse to learn on.
Take the hit to your pride, you don't even have to tell the dealer that you don't know how, you can say you have driven one in a while and would like a refresher course. Or you could always say the last stick you drove was a 99-hp diesel VW Jetta and aren't used to the power of a sports car. Don't let your pride ruin your $20k purchase, you will regret it later.
Take the hit to your pride, you don't even have to tell the dealer that you don't know how, you can say you have driven one in a while and would like a refresher course. Or you could always say the last stick you drove was a 99-hp diesel VW Jetta and aren't used to the power of a sports car. Don't let your pride ruin your $20k purchase, you will regret it later.
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03-22-2005, 10:37 AM
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I also got my 8 before knowing how to really drive stick. I knew the concepts and have done it once or twice on someone else's car but only really in first gear. The simple things to know is
1) like mrmethane said, for the 8, make sure you let the car warm up until the temperature gauge isn't on cold. you do not want to flood the engine.
2) it won't take long for you to figure out how it works. it will probably take a while (a month or so) for you to get decent at it and a long time (months) for you to get good at it. heck, i've had mine for like 6 months and i wouldn't consider myself good.
3) first gear is the worst. if you're struggling with first and think it's going to get harder... it's not.
4) hills and ramps where you're climbing (vs descending) are your enemy. i wouldn't tackle any of these until you get a decent handle on first gear.
5) to get the car into reverse, push the shifter down and while pushing it down bring it to the reverse position. if you don't push it down, you're putting it into 6th gear.
6) to shift smoothly, release the clutch slowly while giving it a little gas. too little and you'll get a jerk, too much and you'll also get a jerk (though they're different).
1) like mrmethane said, for the 8, make sure you let the car warm up until the temperature gauge isn't on cold. you do not want to flood the engine.
2) it won't take long for you to figure out how it works. it will probably take a while (a month or so) for you to get decent at it and a long time (months) for you to get good at it. heck, i've had mine for like 6 months and i wouldn't consider myself good.
3) first gear is the worst. if you're struggling with first and think it's going to get harder... it's not.
4) hills and ramps where you're climbing (vs descending) are your enemy. i wouldn't tackle any of these until you get a decent handle on first gear.
5) to get the car into reverse, push the shifter down and while pushing it down bring it to the reverse position. if you don't push it down, you're putting it into 6th gear.
6) to shift smoothly, release the clutch slowly while giving it a little gas. too little and you'll get a jerk, too much and you'll also get a jerk (though they're different).
03-22-2005, 12:07 PM
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You could start by doing this.... (Note the obvious, only use left foot on the clutch, and right foot on brake and gas pedal).
In a flat open paved area, with no traffice and few obstacles (and enough room to drive in a big circle!) with the parking brake on, put your foot on the brake, push the clutch in (all the way to the floor), put the car in neutral, and start the car.
Then, release the parking brake, and put the gearshift into first gear. Release your foot from the brake, but hold it over the brake so you can stop.
Now, slowly ease the clutch out (Do not touch the gas pedal at this point). Your car will start to move. Pay close attention to where the clutch engages (the car starts to move). You can feel this through your foot.
As the clutch engages, you can let it out a bit more rapidly, and as soon as the clutch is all the way out, and you are rolling, push the clutch back in, and stop the car with the brake (Important! Anytime you come to a stop, you must ALWAYS push the clutch in completely, no half measures, or the car will stall). Repeat this process until you are comfortable with the feeling of when the clutch engages.
Once you're comfortable with that, we're going to add the gas pedal into the mix.
Same process, stopped, brake on, clutch in, car in first. This time though, as you let the clutch out, you're going to gradually increase pressure on the gas pedal. Not too much, less than a couple of inches on the gas pedal. Important to note, as the RPMs start to pick up, the clutch should come all the way out. The engine RPM should be in tune with the speed at which you are travelling (IE: the RPMs shouldn't be at 4000 when you're doing less than 5MPH in normal driving). Try this process a couple of times until you are comfortable with adding gas and letting the clutch out. If you've driven in a manual transmission car before, it will sound and feel right when you've got it.
Once the clutch is all the way out, give it a bit of gas, then clutch in and brake to a stop (Again, remember, clutch all the way in, gas all the way off when stopping).
Basic gearshifting would be next.
Same start, braked, clutch in, gearshift in first. Start the car rolling, give it a bit of gas, as the RPMs come up to around 2500 or 3000RPM in first gear, clutch in, gas off, drop gear shift into second gear, then bring the clutch out as you put the gas back on. Note that in the time it takes for you to move the shifter into gear, the RPMs should have dropped to about the right point so that there should be no lurching or reving as you release the clutch and return the gas pedal to its pre-shift position. Practice this until it feels right.
Downshifting is the reverse, basically, if you're coming to a stop or slowing down, you want to move the gear to match the appropriate speed change. Like when you're exiting the highway, or slowing down for traffic at a stoplight that's just gone green for you. IE: going from 100 to 60 (KM/h), you might go from 5th or 6, down to 4th or even 3rd. But instead of letting the RPM drop to match, you actually give it a bit of gas to raise the RPM when going into a lower gear.
From there, you can basically drive the car on city streets, remembering that if you have to come to a stop, the clutch has to go in, and the shifter has to go back to first. You'll soon know which gear you have to be in at what speed. The Car's manual shows the "economy" shift points, which is a good starting point to learn how to putt-putt around in your car without being extreme on the throttle and brakes.
In a flat open paved area, with no traffice and few obstacles (and enough room to drive in a big circle!) with the parking brake on, put your foot on the brake, push the clutch in (all the way to the floor), put the car in neutral, and start the car.
Then, release the parking brake, and put the gearshift into first gear. Release your foot from the brake, but hold it over the brake so you can stop.
Now, slowly ease the clutch out (Do not touch the gas pedal at this point). Your car will start to move. Pay close attention to where the clutch engages (the car starts to move). You can feel this through your foot.
As the clutch engages, you can let it out a bit more rapidly, and as soon as the clutch is all the way out, and you are rolling, push the clutch back in, and stop the car with the brake (Important! Anytime you come to a stop, you must ALWAYS push the clutch in completely, no half measures, or the car will stall). Repeat this process until you are comfortable with the feeling of when the clutch engages.
Once you're comfortable with that, we're going to add the gas pedal into the mix.
Same process, stopped, brake on, clutch in, car in first. This time though, as you let the clutch out, you're going to gradually increase pressure on the gas pedal. Not too much, less than a couple of inches on the gas pedal. Important to note, as the RPMs start to pick up, the clutch should come all the way out. The engine RPM should be in tune with the speed at which you are travelling (IE: the RPMs shouldn't be at 4000 when you're doing less than 5MPH in normal driving). Try this process a couple of times until you are comfortable with adding gas and letting the clutch out. If you've driven in a manual transmission car before, it will sound and feel right when you've got it.
Once the clutch is all the way out, give it a bit of gas, then clutch in and brake to a stop (Again, remember, clutch all the way in, gas all the way off when stopping).
Basic gearshifting would be next.
Same start, braked, clutch in, gearshift in first. Start the car rolling, give it a bit of gas, as the RPMs come up to around 2500 or 3000RPM in first gear, clutch in, gas off, drop gear shift into second gear, then bring the clutch out as you put the gas back on. Note that in the time it takes for you to move the shifter into gear, the RPMs should have dropped to about the right point so that there should be no lurching or reving as you release the clutch and return the gas pedal to its pre-shift position. Practice this until it feels right.
Downshifting is the reverse, basically, if you're coming to a stop or slowing down, you want to move the gear to match the appropriate speed change. Like when you're exiting the highway, or slowing down for traffic at a stoplight that's just gone green for you. IE: going from 100 to 60 (KM/h), you might go from 5th or 6, down to 4th or even 3rd. But instead of letting the RPM drop to match, you actually give it a bit of gas to raise the RPM when going into a lower gear.
From there, you can basically drive the car on city streets, remembering that if you have to come to a stop, the clutch has to go in, and the shifter has to go back to first. You'll soon know which gear you have to be in at what speed. The Car's manual shows the "economy" shift points, which is a good starting point to learn how to putt-putt around in your car without being extreme on the throttle and brakes.
03-22-2005, 01:02 PM
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I would've loved to. Problem is, there never was a car available to learn on.
03-22-2005, 01:44 PM
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Thanks guys for all the advice, even the "honk the horn" one, I finally get it lol. The salesmen was a jerk to begin with, I did kinda told them that I didn't know how to drive a manual, but he kinda laughed it off and just wanted me to sign the papers. And when I asked them to deliver the car to my house, they told me it wasn't their policy cuz' they're not the one with their names on the insurance and would flat-out wounldn't do it, offfering a loaner car instead (mazda 6 wagon). I was talking to Poorchumy about 3 hours about flooding, stalling, parking, driving, and even the "hill" technique. Great Guy, even better teacher. I think I kinda got this down pretty packed, now all I need is some experience under my belt. Oh yea, I live in North Quincy next to wallaston beach, and I bought the car at 128 Mazda Isuzu. Thanks again guys, I will surely donate money to this forum in the next week or so. =) !!!
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oh come on guys!!!
i did [sort of] the same thing. :D
i hadn't driven a stick in 10 years. i learned to drive on one, but really didn't spend a whole lot of time with it, just learned the basics. anyway yes, it's easy, if i can do it, anyone can. i have had my car 1 week today and now i feel really comfortable with it.
last friday i took it to an empty parking lot and took off, went 10 feet, stopped, repeat. for 20 mins. i am so much more comfortable now.
it is sort of like learning a new language- just throw yourself into the middle of it and you HAVE to learn! hehe.
anyway i wanted an automatic but a deal came on on a yellow one that i couldn't pass up. i wanted yellow most of all, had a hard time finding one- and lo and behold i was able to work something out on this one. it had EVERYTHING i wanted except the transmission but everyone said "you'll learn."
call the dealership and talk to someone and explain things to them and they'll teach you to drive, i bet. I mean COME ON, you bought a CAR from them- the least they can do is take you out for an hour and show you how to drive it.
every time i talked to dealers who called me offering me a manual, they ALL offered to teach me how to drive it.
i did [sort of] the same thing. :D
i hadn't driven a stick in 10 years. i learned to drive on one, but really didn't spend a whole lot of time with it, just learned the basics. anyway yes, it's easy, if i can do it, anyone can. i have had my car 1 week today and now i feel really comfortable with it.
last friday i took it to an empty parking lot and took off, went 10 feet, stopped, repeat. for 20 mins. i am so much more comfortable now.
it is sort of like learning a new language- just throw yourself into the middle of it and you HAVE to learn! hehe.
anyway i wanted an automatic but a deal came on on a yellow one that i couldn't pass up. i wanted yellow most of all, had a hard time finding one- and lo and behold i was able to work something out on this one. it had EVERYTHING i wanted except the transmission but everyone said "you'll learn."
call the dealership and talk to someone and explain things to them and they'll teach you to drive, i bet. I mean COME ON, you bought a CAR from them- the least they can do is take you out for an hour and show you how to drive it.
every time i talked to dealers who called me offering me a manual, they ALL offered to teach me how to drive it.
03-22-2005, 02:53 PM
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Heh I know exactly how you feel..
Bought my first Stick (used Nissan Stanza back in the day) and didn't know how to drive it.. it was such a good deal at the time.
Dad drove it home.. took me out once around the block to learn how to drive it, and after all the swearing he went in to 'take a break' (He has no patience at all, whereas I seem to have plenty).
Later that day I said "It can't be too hard..." . Went outside, sat in "MY" car for an hour or so working up the courage (That's how I justified it to myself, It's my car and I damn well am going to drive it). Took it around the block for a few spins and taught myself.
Been driving sticks now for over 10 years.
Best advice other than what has already been covered before, is that every day is different. Driving in a parking lot is nothing like on the street... for the first few times, your heart races, you WILL get pedals mixed up and your going to forget about that pesky clutch a few times, which will scare the HELL out of ya when it grinds
Just be prepared for it.
I'd also suggest taking your first couple of actual "road" trips at night... sure it's dark out, however there will be less cars and you can get used to driving it on roads with stoplights, hills, etc.. without fear or annoyance of other people.
Good luck
This might have something to do with your gender rather than a 'nice' dealer :D
Bought my first Stick (used Nissan Stanza back in the day) and didn't know how to drive it.. it was such a good deal at the time.
Dad drove it home.. took me out once around the block to learn how to drive it, and after all the swearing he went in to 'take a break' (He has no patience at all, whereas I seem to have plenty).
Later that day I said "It can't be too hard..." . Went outside, sat in "MY" car for an hour or so working up the courage (That's how I justified it to myself, It's my car and I damn well am going to drive it). Took it around the block for a few spins and taught myself.
Been driving sticks now for over 10 years.
Best advice other than what has already been covered before, is that every day is different. Driving in a parking lot is nothing like on the street... for the first few times, your heart races, you WILL get pedals mixed up and your going to forget about that pesky clutch a few times, which will scare the HELL out of ya when it grinds
Just be prepared for it.I'd also suggest taking your first couple of actual "road" trips at night... sure it's dark out, however there will be less cars and you can get used to driving it on roads with stoplights, hills, etc.. without fear or annoyance of other people.
Good luck
Originally Posted by slinkyGirl78
every time i talked to dealers who called me offering me a manual, they ALL offered to teach me how to drive it.
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03-22-2005, 03:19 PM
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when u let the clutch go while ur reving to 2k... make sure u do it smoothly and not just dump it... or u'll launch, panic, brake, then stall... haha nice and easy ^^ it's fun learning... but u should definately bring someone who knows how to drive stick just in case~ enjoy!
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Originally Posted by DaGnome
... for the first few times, your heart races,
anyway yesterday was the first time i actually would say i felt "relaxed."
oh yeah the other thing i did, that i don't need to do now, hehe-
i would turn my stereo volume wayyyyyyyy down whenever i had to take off from a stop and shift gears! haha! so then i could listen to EVERYTHING. hehe :D
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Smoke Honda, if you really want to practice before you pick up your car, perhaps you might consider renting a stick beforehand? I'm sure you could find one at a cheap rate and just practice for a day or two with it.
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/raises hand.. I had not learned stick before buying the 8.. I fooled around on my friends civic for about 20mins before going to the dealership but it's not as hard as you might think it is..
But driving SMOOTHLY. Now that was damn near impossible for me, it felt like the catch point was moving, all my passengers had the "head jerk" problem, it was a little rough the first little bit but now I can outdrive my friend who taught me how to drive stick!
Just give it time, you will stall the car, don't panic just remember foot down on clutch, restart then drive off slowly.. Most people freak out, start the car, rev it to 5k and let go.. not a good idea
maybe you should contact a rental car agency? Specifically request a manual, most places don't have manual rentals but you never know..
MrJynx
But driving SMOOTHLY. Now that was damn near impossible for me, it felt like the catch point was moving, all my passengers had the "head jerk" problem, it was a little rough the first little bit but now I can outdrive my friend who taught me how to drive stick!
Just give it time, you will stall the car, don't panic just remember foot down on clutch, restart then drive off slowly.. Most people freak out, start the car, rev it to 5k and let go.. not a good idea
maybe you should contact a rental car agency? Specifically request a manual, most places don't have manual rentals but you never know..
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Originally Posted by slinkyGirl78
i would turn my stereo volume wayyyyyyyy down whenever i had to take off from a stop and shift gears! haha! so then i could listen to EVERYTHING. hehe :D
I still do that when I'm on a pretty steep hill with someone behind me. I hit the mute button, then turn it back on after I'm going. I actually still get minor panic attacks when someone pulls up behind me on a hill. I haven't come close to hitting anyone and I'm pretty sure I'd be fine as long as the hill isn't too steep but it doesn't stop me from panicing!.
03-22-2005, 08:13 PM
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Laughing with you.....
I hope you are having a good laugh at this subject, because the rest of the world sure is! Their thread discussing it is longer than this thread already.
Over in the Euopean forums this is the funniest thing they've read all year, automatics are rare over there, and they just don't believe someone would not know how! They think it's a 'windup' (like a crank call)
Giggly Englishmen.....
:D :D S
Over in the Euopean forums this is the funniest thing they've read all year, automatics are rare over there, and they just don't believe someone would not know how! They think it's a 'windup' (like a crank call)
Giggly Englishmen.....
:D :D S
03-22-2005, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Smoke Honda
I guess their isn't to much I can do but laugh at myself. lol
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Hey, at least you're fixing it :o - most of the people (Americans) I know are perfectly fine driving their boring slushboxes. Makes it easier to talk on the phone while eating as they drive along, I suppose.
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Originally Posted by slinkyGirl78
i am SO glad you mentioned this. the reason for me going out last friday and "practicing" (practicing even tho i had been on the road "for real" numerous times without stalling) was because i was SICK and TIRED of constantly arriving at my destination, only to get out of my car and realize i was having a mini panic attack. my heart was racing, i was shaking, my breathing was all messed up. i didnt notice it on the road really but i guess it just kept building up and when i stopped, it was obvious to me. i thought, i cant' be driving my car around having an anxiety attack every time i go somewhere. ridiculous!