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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 11:18 AM
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If you look at Bewbies while tightening the lug nuts the amount of torque will be increased. Trust me, I know what i am talking about.
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by kiker14
this actually probably becomes a materials science question (I know there is a mat. sci. guy or gal lurking around here somewhere) because the metal that you are using probably has an impact on the "formula"
Used as a lever extension, the material flexibility affects torque readings because when the lever flexes, the lever arm is shortened.
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Parmer8
Torque = Force x (perpendicular)distance. The extension doesn't matter. It's the length of where you apply the force that can help or hurt your torque. That's why we use long cheater bars to break loose a tight bolt, nut, etc. Using the same force, you increased the torque with a longer handle.

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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
UM, there is a TSB that ups the recommended torque specs to 108ft/lb. So you RTFTSB

http://www.finishlineperformance.com...2-04-1301b.pdf
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dannobre
Torque changes if you change the length of the lever arm.....
no. force changes with the length of the perpendicular arm. 100lbm of force on a 1' moment arm will yeild the same torque as 1 lbm of force on a 100' moment arm.

changing the length of the torque wrench will in no way affect the torque reading. ever. it will require less force to acheive the proper torque. thats it.

the wrench will click at the proper torque every time. its a moment, not a force measurement.

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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 07:49 PM
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Which arm do you think is the lever arm it only applies to changes in the business end of the torque wrench
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dannobre
Which arm do you think is the lever arm it only applies to changes in the business end of the torque wrench
right, but im saying that the torque does not change. if i set my torque wrench to 80ftlbs. used it to tighten something, then put a 4ft extension on it. it would simply require less effort from me to reach 80ftlbs. 80#s is 80#s is 80#s.

you said the torque changes, it does not. the force does. they are not interchangeable.

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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 08:41 PM
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right, using an extension bar would simply enable you to use less force to reach the desired torque.

to echo what most people have been saying, extending the length of the torque wrenchs lever arm will -not- affect the actual torque being put on the bolt.

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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 08:55 PM
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Okay guys i appreciate all the comments lol. Some of you are confused by what extension i mean. The extension that im using attaches to the torque wrench (it DOES NOT make the torque wrench longer, it goes perpendicular to the torque wrench) then the socket goes on the other end of the extension.

It looks like this :

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brows....jsp?locale=en
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 09:10 PM
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if you set the torque wrench to click at 100lbs of torque, it will still click at 100lbs of torque, regardless of extension length. the torquing force has nowhere to go besides the length of the extension to the bolt. as long as the extensions aren't so long that they are starting to twist off the perpendicular axis, all the force you are putting in on one end will get to the other.
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 09:15 PM
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Makes sense. LIke some of you said... if i put an extension on the handle of the torque wrench then it will be inaccurate lol. Thanks !!!
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotary-RX8
Makes sense. LIke some of you said... if i put an extension on the handle of the torque wrench then it will be inaccurate lol. Thanks !!!
.. it won't be inaccurate!
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 09:47 PM
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Ugh. Brain fart. A wrench extension won't affect torque readings either as a socket extension or force multiplying extension. I amend my posts prior that torque readings will only be affected in only the theoretical and impractical scenario of extending the lever arm on the socket side. Sorry.
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 09:51 PM
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alzor: I know i know i was saying extending the LEVER will make it inaccurate not using the extension.

dynamho: Dont be lol. I get it now. Only if you put an extension that will make the torque wrench longer will make the reading inacurate. Putting a socket extension will not.


Thanks everyone

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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotary-RX8
alzor: I know i know i was saying extending the LEVER will make it inaccurate not using the extension.

dynamho: Dont be lol. I get it now. Only if you put an extension that will make the torque wrench longer will make the reading inacurate. Putting a socket extension will not.


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NO! As others have said using an extension on either end will not effect the amount of torque applied. By making the torque wrench longer it only makes it easier for you to apply the same amount of torque. If you set it for 80ft-lbs it will click at 80ft-lbs regardless of any extensions used!
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 10:09 PM
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why is this still going on???

NO EXTENSION WILL AFFECT THE ACCURACY OF THE TORQUE WRENCH IN ANY WAY

period.

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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by firebirdude

Adding an actual socket extension.... I think it will change the torque readings. The extension will flex/twist, which has to affect measurements. Maybe it's too small to make any significant difference. I don't know. But let's picture a 20' long socket extension. We know that thing is going to twist/flex some while torquing a nut to 100+ftlbs.
It will not change the amount of torque that is applied before it clicks!

You can extend the HANDLE of the torque wrench by 100 feet and the extensions from the head by 50 ft if you so desire so long as the handle lever and extension are perpendicular to each other (90 deg) the torque setting won't be affected.

The -ONLY- way to foul up the torque reading is actually -extending- the torque wrench at the head in a manner OTHER then the axis it was intended to go, which is 90 degree relative to the handle. SUCH AS THIS:

or this

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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by alz0rz
It will not change the amount of torque that is applied before it clicks!

You can extend the HANDLE of the torque wrench by 100 feet and the extensions from the head by 50 ft if you so desire so long as the handle lever and extension are perpendicular to each other (90 deg) the torque setting won't be affected.

The -ONLY- way to foul up the torque reading is actually -extending- the torque wrench at the head in a manner OTHER then the axis it was intended to go, which is 90 degree relative to the handle. SUCH AS THIS:

Agreed, this is the point I was trying to state earlier, laziness set it.
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 10:29 PM
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hahaha. if you decide to use a torque wrench like that then you dont belong any where near a car. yes that would affect it. but only the reading at the bolt. itd still click when you were torquing the handle of the wrench at however many footpounds. but since its on a different axis of rotation than the bolt, the final reading at the bolt would be unknown
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by deadphoenix52
hahaha. if you decide to use a torque wrench like that then you dont belong any where near a car. yes that would affect it. but only the reading at the bolt. itd still click when you were torquing the handle of the wrench at however many footpounds. but since its on a different axis of rotation than the bolt, the final reading at the bolt would be unknown
there's a formula for it but alas let's let this thread die.
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by alz0rz
It will not change the amount of torque that is applied before it clicks!

You can extend the HANDLE of the torque wrench by 100 feet and the extensions from the head by 50 ft if you so desire so long as the handle lever and extension are perpendicular to each other (90 deg) the torque setting won't be affected.

The -ONLY- way to foul up the torque reading is actually -extending- the torque wrench at the head in a manner OTHER then the axis it was intended to go, which is 90 degree relative to the handle. SUCH AS THIS:

or this

Yup. That's the theoretical and impractical scenario I was trying to mention, but you said it way more clearly.
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 06:45 AM
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honestly can't believe why this is still a discussion.... some people need to stop pretending they are engineers
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 08:30 AM
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ok, pigs can fly and cows can jump.

oh wait, extensions affects torque ?

jesus seriously, this stupid "topic" worth 2 pages ?

I rather see "Mazda kill rotary" "Synthetic oil" "oil weight" than this extension bull crap
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 09:19 AM
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okay people chill out. I got my answer. No need to keep bumping this or ill delete it.
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Old Jul 9, 2012 | 06:22 PM
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I found an android app for calculating torque w/extensions

I used this awesome app that you can use to calculate the proper torque setting when using extensions. Hope this helps.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d..._result#?t=W10.
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