those BS "quota" type tickets!
06-02-2010, 03:02 PM
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I completely sympathize with you, that ticket is a crock. I am pretty sure they've told LA cops to drum up ticket revenues lately because I've never seen so many people pulled over. I got pulled over twice and ticketed once myself. Granted I deserved the speeding ticket I got but there are usually no cops there.
06-02-2010, 03:14 PM
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I completely sympathize with you, that ticket is a crock. I am pretty sure they've told LA cops to drum up ticket revenues lately because I've never seen so many people pulled over. I got pulled over twice and ticketed once myself. Granted I deserved the speeding ticket I got but there are usually no cops there.
You're using an example of yourself getting pulled over and getting ticketed because you were speeding?
I don't understand.
06-02-2010, 04:10 PM
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I will explain for you -
Although his ticket was issued because he technically violated the law, his offense was extremely minor and he had a child in the car and under the circumstances I think only a warning was warranted. It's also questionable whether he had actually committed an offense because the officer didn't pull him over immediately and time is a factor.
I use the fact that I was ticketed as an example because I usually stay under the radar and only push the speed limit in areas that are generally not heavily trafficked or patrolled. It is uncommon for people to be pulled over in these areas.
Perhaps if you lived around here you would understand. Personally I think you're a little too attached to the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law.
Although his ticket was issued because he technically violated the law, his offense was extremely minor and he had a child in the car and under the circumstances I think only a warning was warranted. It's also questionable whether he had actually committed an offense because the officer didn't pull him over immediately and time is a factor.
I use the fact that I was ticketed as an example because I usually stay under the radar and only push the speed limit in areas that are generally not heavily trafficked or patrolled. It is uncommon for people to be pulled over in these areas.
Perhaps if you lived around here you would understand. Personally I think you're a little too attached to the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law.
06-02-2010, 04:20 PM
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No, not technically. He DID violate the law.
Maybe that's why he only received one ticket. If the officer wanted, he could have tried to get him on other things.
His front windows appear to be tinted in his siggy. See where I'm going with this?
what is so questionable?
After 4:00 there must be 3 people inside the vehicle.
at 4:03 he was in the HOV lane with only his daughter.
This is clearly a violation.
You notice how the OP'S first post mentioned NOTHING about him trying to get out of the HOV lane after he noticed it was past 4:00?
Born & raised in Southern California.
doesn't change my opinion though, the OP is simply upset that he got caught when he should have known better from the start.
His front windows appear to be tinted in his siggy. See where I'm going with this?
After 4:00 there must be 3 people inside the vehicle.
at 4:03 he was in the HOV lane with only his daughter.
This is clearly a violation.
You notice how the OP'S first post mentioned NOTHING about him trying to get out of the HOV lane after he noticed it was past 4:00?
Born & raised in Southern California.
doesn't change my opinion though, the OP is simply upset that he got caught when he should have known better from the start.
06-02-2010, 04:39 PM
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Technically = DID. Don't see your argument.
The officer was following the rules and perhaps he could have issued other tickets. But if he were being compassionate and evaluating the situation and the offense committed rather than reading from a rule book I think he might have seen fit to just give a warning.
What's questionable to me is whether the driving in the HOV lane actually took place after 4pm. I might have missed it but I thought what he said is he drove in the HOV lane, drove several more miles, and then got pulled over and a ticket was issued at 4:05 pm. That could easily put the HOV lane driving before 4pm. However if he's said he was in the lane after 4 there's no question.
The comment about living around here wasn't directed at you. If you are happy to be fined for minor offenses or you never commit such offenses, good for you. I think the police have much better things to do around here and I completely support them doing that. They have better things to do than trying to close the CA budget deficit.
The officer was following the rules and perhaps he could have issued other tickets. But if he were being compassionate and evaluating the situation and the offense committed rather than reading from a rule book I think he might have seen fit to just give a warning.
What's questionable to me is whether the driving in the HOV lane actually took place after 4pm. I might have missed it but I thought what he said is he drove in the HOV lane, drove several more miles, and then got pulled over and a ticket was issued at 4:05 pm. That could easily put the HOV lane driving before 4pm. However if he's said he was in the lane after 4 there's no question.
The comment about living around here wasn't directed at you. If you are happy to be fined for minor offenses or you never commit such offenses, good for you. I think the police have much better things to do around here and I completely support them doing that. They have better things to do than trying to close the CA budget deficit.
No, not technically. He DID violate the law.
Maybe that's why he only received one ticket. If the officer wanted, he could have tried to get him on other things.
His front windows appear to be tinted in his siggy. See where I'm going with this?
what is so questionable?
After 4:00 there must be 3 people inside the vehicle.
at 4:03 he was in the HOV lane with only his daughter.
This is clearly a violation.
You notice how the OP'S first post mentioned NOTHING about him trying to get out of the HOV lane after he noticed it was past 4:00?
Born & raised in Southern California.
doesn't change my opinion though, the OP is simply upset that he got caught when he should have known better from the start.
Maybe that's why he only received one ticket. If the officer wanted, he could have tried to get him on other things.
His front windows appear to be tinted in his siggy. See where I'm going with this?
what is so questionable?
After 4:00 there must be 3 people inside the vehicle.
at 4:03 he was in the HOV lane with only his daughter.
This is clearly a violation.
You notice how the OP'S first post mentioned NOTHING about him trying to get out of the HOV lane after he noticed it was past 4:00?
Born & raised in Southern California.
doesn't change my opinion though, the OP is simply upset that he got caught when he should have known better from the start.
06-02-2010, 04:50 PM
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point taken. OP is obviously just venting, he even stated it, i dont see a need to pour vinegar on the wound, and its not exactly helping anyone. legal advice at this point seems to be whats being asked of and more constructive IMO
06-02-2010, 05:24 PM
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Technically = DID. Don't see your argument.
The officer was following the rules and perhaps he could have issued other tickets. But if he were being compassionate and evaluating the situation and the offense committed rather than reading from a rule book I think he might have seen fit to just give a warning.
What's questionable to me is whether the driving in the HOV lane actually took place after 4pm. I might have missed it but I thought what he said is he drove in the HOV lane, drove several more miles, and then got pulled over and a ticket was issued at 4:05 pm. That could easily put the HOV lane driving before 4pm. However if he's said he was in the lane after 4 there's no question.
The comment about living around here wasn't directed at you. If you are happy to be fined for minor offenses or you never commit such offenses, good for you. I think the police have much better things to do around here and I completely support them doing that. They have better things to do than trying to close the CA budget deficit.
The officer was following the rules and perhaps he could have issued other tickets. But if he were being compassionate and evaluating the situation and the offense committed rather than reading from a rule book I think he might have seen fit to just give a warning.
What's questionable to me is whether the driving in the HOV lane actually took place after 4pm. I might have missed it but I thought what he said is he drove in the HOV lane, drove several more miles, and then got pulled over and a ticket was issued at 4:05 pm. That could easily put the HOV lane driving before 4pm. However if he's said he was in the lane after 4 there's no question.
The comment about living around here wasn't directed at you. If you are happy to be fined for minor offenses or you never commit such offenses, good for you. I think the police have much better things to do around here and I completely support them doing that. They have better things to do than trying to close the CA budget deficit.
There really isn't any legal points to take. Pay it, move on, and remember to stay out of the lane after 4:00 with just you and your kid.
06-02-2010, 05:32 PM
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OP is not guilty until proven in a court of law, if you want to stick strictly to the law then OP still can show up to court where he can defend himself, since he obvious feels the citation given is not fair judgement in part of the officer.
06-02-2010, 06:32 PM
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I will explain for you -
Although his ticket was issued because he technically violated the law, his offense was extremely minor and he had a child in the car and under the circumstances I think only a warning was warranted. It's also questionable whether he had actually committed an offense because the officer didn't pull him over immediately and time is a factor.
Although his ticket was issued because he technically violated the law, his offense was extremely minor and he had a child in the car and under the circumstances I think only a warning was warranted. It's also questionable whether he had actually committed an offense because the officer didn't pull him over immediately and time is a factor.
the last sentence really clarifies the whole ordeal for others to better comprehend this citation, and why i say its B.S.!
i had many choices to still abide by the rules, had i not been stopped.
i mean... the 710 long beach interchange access is a few minutes into the HOV lanes. i could've exited, and took local streets or re-routed.
OR, stay on til i get to fremont just pass the 710 freeway, and took valley blvd home.
OR taken the direct exit off del mar. but in this case, i would be violating the law if i didn't get there in time... which i did mention a prius cut me off in front of officer's view (no passing, mind you) and intentionally went 40-45mph!
hope the ones who read this now, can understand, that even such minor offense, i can still have been within limitations of the law if given the benefit of doubt.
i could've been within every limit of it, with those 3 options, had i NOT been stopped in the first place.
does this clear things up for all?
06-02-2010, 07:01 PM
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further entrapment details
it seems like the people who can't agree with me on this, wouldn't be very good jurors.
so i'm splitting hairs here. i entered roughly 3:50~ maybe closer to 3:55. legally into the single lane entrance, before getting cut off by an impatient gold prius, who then "intentionally" went extremely slow, causing me to be in violation.
had the officer saw that action from the prius driver and decided to pull him over instead... i would never have saw that ticket.
a fair officer WOULD'VE chosen the option of kickin me out of the lane on loud speaker, when the next pull out becomes accessible. and things like this DO happen.
i announce, not ALL officers are crooks. veteran officers are more lax and care less of meeting quota's or getting that bonus.
he chose to issue one to me, anyways. knowing how time sensitive, technical, and not looking deeper into the circumstance. he was out to get me, whenever the opportunity arise.
he pulled me over, while i was in compliance, killed a few minutes, and debated over my wristwatch against his... in which after, having the other passenger truly didn't matter anymore.
i can handle this, so thanks for all the supporters. i'm just venting.
i'm sorry...BUT for those who likes to kiss an dick officer's ***, knowing more details now, karma will hit you back more. but just make sure you post up, so i can laugh harder and not sympathize with you. seeing how you show your true colors. suck it, and wait for yours, then tell me how you feel?
so i'm splitting hairs here. i entered roughly 3:50~ maybe closer to 3:55. legally into the single lane entrance, before getting cut off by an impatient gold prius, who then "intentionally" went extremely slow, causing me to be in violation.
had the officer saw that action from the prius driver and decided to pull him over instead... i would never have saw that ticket.
a fair officer WOULD'VE chosen the option of kickin me out of the lane on loud speaker, when the next pull out becomes accessible. and things like this DO happen.
i announce, not ALL officers are crooks. veteran officers are more lax and care less of meeting quota's or getting that bonus.
he chose to issue one to me, anyways. knowing how time sensitive, technical, and not looking deeper into the circumstance. he was out to get me, whenever the opportunity arise.
he pulled me over, while i was in compliance, killed a few minutes, and debated over my wristwatch against his... in which after, having the other passenger truly didn't matter anymore.
i can handle this, so thanks for all the supporters. i'm just venting.
i'm sorry...BUT for those who likes to kiss an dick officer's ***, knowing more details now, karma will hit you back more. but just make sure you post up, so i can laugh harder and not sympathize with you. seeing how you show your true colors. suck it, and wait for yours, then tell me how you feel?
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06-02-2010, 07:19 PM
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i'm not trying to change anyone's mind.
those who support and can sympathize based on these situations, thank you. i will return kind words when you need them.
those who likes to kiss the laws ***, will still kiss them. who cares? life goes on...
i'll stick up for a shrimp being bullied. but will laugh at the bully, getting bullied.
and as long as i can try to be that, i'll be fulfilled and happy in life. i'll share what i can with others...
those who are always bitter... i hope someone kind enough on here can give you a hug or something.
those who support and can sympathize based on these situations, thank you. i will return kind words when you need them.
those who likes to kiss the laws ***, will still kiss them. who cares? life goes on...
i'll stick up for a shrimp being bullied. but will laugh at the bully, getting bullied.
and as long as i can try to be that, i'll be fulfilled and happy in life. i'll share what i can with others...
those who are always bitter... i hope someone kind enough on here can give you a hug or something.
06-02-2010, 07:37 PM
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i'm sorry...BUT for those who likes to kiss an dick officer's ***, knowing more details now, karma will hit you back more. but just make sure you post up, so i can laugh harder and not sympathize with you. seeing how you show your true colors. suck it, and wait for yours, then tell me how you feel?
Eh, I was going to try to get a better view upon this and see if I can see your side, but it just seems that if someone doesn't instantly side with you, they are the bad guy. Whatever.
Enjoy your fight and good luck.
06-02-2010, 08:11 PM
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Hardly "crapping" on a thread. Was just giving an opinion, considering the facts I had to deal with at the time. Again, not everybody is as evil as you believe them to be.
*EDIT* and I still think you deserved it.
*EDIT* and I still think you deserved it.
06-02-2010, 08:54 PM
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so many things get misunderstood on the net...
i simply don't wanna grieve myself in all details to straighten things out.
so:
1) those who understand in detail of the situation, who agrees OR disagrees on it, but sympathizes regardless. nothing but thanks to you. and hope you can use this as a precaution so as to not be faced with such a situation. i hope i helped.
2)those who understands the situation, who show no sympathy, and pins ALL blame in that i didn't avoid it, so i totally deserved it: YOU, will still benefit from my story. but the one day when a accident occurs for you, you will completely understand why no-one sympathizes or fights for you. - say, if you slipped on a patch of oil driving, and ran over a kid.... noone will fight for you when you get a unfair sentence, because you showed noone compassion. its the law... you pay for your mistake, right?
3) those who follow the law to the letter: really... you guys just remain mutual in all things. 55mph means 55... so obviously, the best advice CAN come from them. they aren't wrong either... i should've avoided taking the risk. but thats life... you guys calculate your risks in details.
so, maybe this responds equally well to all those who replied.
i pay my dues. i thank those who shows me compassion, respect the lesson learned from those with a harsh comments. and provide to the younger, who is mature enough to learn from my mistakes.
i don't NEED anyone to side with me. this post obviously wasn't created solely for me to get people's sympathy. its open for all to discuss certain situation where they feel the ticket is B.S., if they've got one to tell about.
so lets move on
i simply don't wanna grieve myself in all details to straighten things out.
so:
1) those who understand in detail of the situation, who agrees OR disagrees on it, but sympathizes regardless. nothing but thanks to you. and hope you can use this as a precaution so as to not be faced with such a situation. i hope i helped.
2)those who understands the situation, who show no sympathy, and pins ALL blame in that i didn't avoid it, so i totally deserved it: YOU, will still benefit from my story. but the one day when a accident occurs for you, you will completely understand why no-one sympathizes or fights for you. - say, if you slipped on a patch of oil driving, and ran over a kid.... noone will fight for you when you get a unfair sentence, because you showed noone compassion. its the law... you pay for your mistake, right?
3) those who follow the law to the letter: really... you guys just remain mutual in all things. 55mph means 55... so obviously, the best advice CAN come from them. they aren't wrong either... i should've avoided taking the risk. but thats life... you guys calculate your risks in details.
so, maybe this responds equally well to all those who replied.
i pay my dues. i thank those who shows me compassion, respect the lesson learned from those with a harsh comments. and provide to the younger, who is mature enough to learn from my mistakes.
i don't NEED anyone to side with me. this post obviously wasn't created solely for me to get people's sympathy. its open for all to discuss certain situation where they feel the ticket is B.S., if they've got one to tell about.
so lets move on
06-02-2010, 09:11 PM
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i see, i see. ok.
ok, given the benefit of the doubt. the prius driver who cut me off, could've been(i doubt it) a nice guy. but his intentional slow driving and braking, while looking in the rearview, messed me up big time! (remember, this is california i'm in. not many friendly drivers out there)
i can accept that you think i deserved it. shoot... i get mad seeing how many people jump double solids to take the carpool, endangering traffic. guilty, redhanded! and i think those are the ones more deserving of a ticket than i...
and i sure hope they aren't getting away with more than that, if one day they hurt someone doing that in a car crash.
i'll take your opinion as harsh lesson learned. if not... noone will bother to better themselves, correct?
06-02-2010, 09:13 PM
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carpool tix are expensive.
obviously fight it or attempt to.
usually judges will AT LEAST dock the amount. you have a legitimate argument.. the popo might not even show to court. either way, fight it and u will most likely save a good amount of money if you don't win.
obviously fight it or attempt to.
usually judges will AT LEAST dock the amount. you have a legitimate argument.. the popo might not even show to court. either way, fight it and u will most likely save a good amount of money if you don't win.
06-02-2010, 09:26 PM
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hold out your pastrami cravings til after rush hour. i was actually at naga naga ramen across...
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detrich/cold: that seems like the route i'm gonna take. ride it out until he seems to forget the details, and then contest it thru a written declaration. or in court after.
and as another has also noted. its poppin on garfield/valley
contribute any other hot spots to avoid would be good for other cali/socal members.
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06-02-2010, 09:53 PM
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i'm sorry...BUT for those who likes to kiss an dick officer's ***, knowing more details now, karma will hit you back more. but just make sure you post up, so i can laugh harder and not sympathize with you. seeing how you show your true colors. suck it, and wait for yours, then tell me how you feel?
anyway, 4pm = 3 people. you had 2. you got a ticket. There isn't much hair splitting there, sorry.
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Part of the reason we need/want humans to issue tickets and enforce the law is because while the law is cut and dry there are situations where the punishment doesn't fit the crime.
I never have understood the enter/exit lanes of the California HOV lanes but that's a mute point.
My expectation would have been that the cop would have waited to see if you got out of the lane at the next enter/exit point even if it's past the time for a passenger change. I'm willing to bet had the situation been reversed (you having 2 passengers with 5 minutes to go until you are past the 3 passenger period) the cop would have stopped you anyway saying "You were in the lane before the alloted period."
So you'd be screwed either way.
Did you break the law? Yeah, technically. Then again you are technically breaking the law when you do 56mph in a 55mph zone regardless of the reason.
Had you passed up the enter/exit point after 4pm then you would have deserved a ticket. Otherwise it's clear the cop was looking for an easy bust and he found one.
I never have understood the enter/exit lanes of the California HOV lanes but that's a mute point.
My expectation would have been that the cop would have waited to see if you got out of the lane at the next enter/exit point even if it's past the time for a passenger change. I'm willing to bet had the situation been reversed (you having 2 passengers with 5 minutes to go until you are past the 3 passenger period) the cop would have stopped you anyway saying "You were in the lane before the alloted period."
So you'd be screwed either way.
Did you break the law? Yeah, technically. Then again you are technically breaking the law when you do 56mph in a 55mph zone regardless of the reason.
Had you passed up the enter/exit point after 4pm then you would have deserved a ticket. Otherwise it's clear the cop was looking for an easy bust and he found one.
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laythor, i think you're right on that part. sorry, that was uncalled for. my bad.
flash, unfortunately, thats sadly how it works. part of the reason i think this thread is helpful, especially to californian's due to such high heat we've been receiving lately from traffic/law enforcement. *edited a reply to flash's example*
you guys are acting as my jury in a sense. with many seeing that i have been wronged, and many voicing that i should've stayed well away from HOV lanes had i not want to be trapped in this dilemma.
flash, i got ur reversed role example. that would bring up a similar story.
but to say the truth, its pretty easy to force someone to be guity of a crime. i can cut off an miata and do 5mph in front of him, until the time runs out for him, and a cop to come and ****** him... doesn't mean i'm actually the type to do that.
but having had that done to... i was exactly that easy bust, and the reason why he followed me.
selfish hybrid driver huh? there bound to be a few who get a hybrid solely for the reason of abusing the access ok sticker on carpool lanes.
being a californian, i can say i'm not too proud of our drivers when rush hour rolls around. ever see someone intentionally hold up a left turn light, so the person behind will either have to run that red or get stuck on the pedestrian crosswalk to get honked at? happens all the time.
flash, unfortunately, thats sadly how it works. part of the reason i think this thread is helpful, especially to californian's due to such high heat we've been receiving lately from traffic/law enforcement. *edited a reply to flash's example*
you guys are acting as my jury in a sense. with many seeing that i have been wronged, and many voicing that i should've stayed well away from HOV lanes had i not want to be trapped in this dilemma.
flash, i got ur reversed role example. that would bring up a similar story.
but to say the truth, its pretty easy to force someone to be guity of a crime. i can cut off an miata and do 5mph in front of him, until the time runs out for him, and a cop to come and ****** him... doesn't mean i'm actually the type to do that.
but having had that done to... i was exactly that easy bust, and the reason why he followed me.
selfish hybrid driver huh? there bound to be a few who get a hybrid solely for the reason of abusing the access ok sticker on carpool lanes.
being a californian, i can say i'm not too proud of our drivers when rush hour rolls around. ever see someone intentionally hold up a left turn light, so the person behind will either have to run that red or get stuck on the pedestrian crosswalk to get honked at? happens all the time.
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