Ten Worst Things about the RX8
06-02-2005, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Fly'n 8
1. Interior gets hot as hell in the summer if parked for a short time.
2. Pretty sorry air conditioner when compared to most.
3. Lack of extra headroom with moonroof.
4. Useless cupholders in front with rock hard plastic console lid.
5. No one-touch closing on moonroof.
6. No highs, no lows - must be Bose. But why?
7. Freakin huge rearview mirror blocks view out of windshield.
8. Extra low armrest on doors.
9. Major front brake dust.
10. Makes you spend money on racing beat exhaust, springs, etc.
I hope this doesn't come across as bitter, because I truly love this car.
A couple of ZOOM ZOOM beeps and you forget all about any of these so called problems!
HD
2. Pretty sorry air conditioner when compared to most.
3. Lack of extra headroom with moonroof.
4. Useless cupholders in front with rock hard plastic console lid.
5. No one-touch closing on moonroof.
6. No highs, no lows - must be Bose. But why?
7. Freakin huge rearview mirror blocks view out of windshield.
8. Extra low armrest on doors.
9. Major front brake dust.
10. Makes you spend money on racing beat exhaust, springs, etc.
I hope this doesn't come across as bitter, because I truly love this car.
A couple of ZOOM ZOOM beeps and you forget all about any of these so called problems!
HD
06-02-2005, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Go48
1. I can’t stop driving it.
2. I can’t stop thinking about driving it.
3. I can’t stop looking at it.
4. I can’t stop worrying about it.
5. I can’t stop washing it.
6. I can’t stop waxing it.
7. I can’t stop dusting it.
8. I can’t stop adding doodads to it.
9. I can’t stop changing the oil too frequently.
10. I can’t stop reading posts about it on this forum.
:D :D :D
2. I can’t stop thinking about driving it.
3. I can’t stop looking at it.
4. I can’t stop worrying about it.
5. I can’t stop washing it.
6. I can’t stop waxing it.
7. I can’t stop dusting it.
8. I can’t stop adding doodads to it.
9. I can’t stop changing the oil too frequently.
10. I can’t stop reading posts about it on this forum.
:D :D :D
Wow! You hit this one on the head!
The only one you missed -
11. I can't stop standing in the garage with a Manhattan in my hand looking at my 8 in the driveway from every angle and hoping that the neighbors don't see me!
06-02-2005, 08:32 PM
#79
Originally Posted by Sigma
You must have a different idea of "middle-class" than most people. Methinks you've been spoiled already.
Anyone that can afford to give their teenager a brand new car is not widely considered "middle class". "Middle Class" can barely afford to send their kids to school, let alone buy themselves new cars, let alone purchase their kid a $30,000 one. I make a 6-figure income and you can be damn sure my kid ain't getting a car that costs half what an RX-8 does. Hell they probably ain't gonna get one at all.
And you give a kid a car they're going to push it. It's what they do. We've all been there and done it. Teenagers (no one really for that matter) don't baby their car simply because it's an RX-8 over a Civic. What's the point of owning one if you're going to drive it even more Grandma-ish than the Civic? We've all pushed our cars to the limits, particularly when young and we did far stupider things than we do now. It's just that lightweight RWD sportscars aren't too terribly forgiving when you do.
"More at Risk"... Yes. But they don't have more.
A 16 year old has a 20 times greater chance of getting into an accident than a 30-year old, despite driving far less time per day. A 17-year old has 6 times the chance. An 18-year old 4 times the chance, and a 19-year old 3 times the chance. That's overall including all types of cars. Are you seriously claiming that simply by virtue of owning an RX-8 a teen somehow goes from having an exponential chance of an accident to less chance?
You admit that a teen has a greater chance of crashing a Civic than an adult but somehow think they have less chance of crashing an RX-8? It doesn't even make sense. No teenager (no anyone) is going to baby one particular car over another. It's their car and they're going to treat it like they'd treat their car, no matter what it is.
Ther's 18,000 members on this Forum. The number below the age of 20 is probably just in the hundreds, certainly no more than a thousand. Of course you're going to see more. A lot more. It's simple math. Even with a 4 time greater chance of getting into an accident, when you make up probably 5% of the forum population, you're still going to have a minority of the posts about accidents.
Obviously certain cars have a greater penchant for getting one into trouble than another. It's why insurance rates for fast cars are, generally, more expensive than slower cars. And that's across the board, no matter the age. For those experienced there's still a greater chance of an accident in an RX-8 than a Civic but for those inexperienced the difference is magnified by inexperience. When you have no driving experience the difference between that 80-hp FWD Civic you drove on your DMV test and that 230hp lightweight RWD RX-8 is incredible.
Anyone that can afford to give their teenager a brand new car is not widely considered "middle class". "Middle Class" can barely afford to send their kids to school, let alone buy themselves new cars, let alone purchase their kid a $30,000 one. I make a 6-figure income and you can be damn sure my kid ain't getting a car that costs half what an RX-8 does. Hell they probably ain't gonna get one at all.
And you give a kid a car they're going to push it. It's what they do. We've all been there and done it. Teenagers (no one really for that matter) don't baby their car simply because it's an RX-8 over a Civic. What's the point of owning one if you're going to drive it even more Grandma-ish than the Civic? We've all pushed our cars to the limits, particularly when young and we did far stupider things than we do now. It's just that lightweight RWD sportscars aren't too terribly forgiving when you do.
"More at Risk"... Yes. But they don't have more.
A 16 year old has a 20 times greater chance of getting into an accident than a 30-year old, despite driving far less time per day. A 17-year old has 6 times the chance. An 18-year old 4 times the chance, and a 19-year old 3 times the chance. That's overall including all types of cars. Are you seriously claiming that simply by virtue of owning an RX-8 a teen somehow goes from having an exponential chance of an accident to less chance?
You admit that a teen has a greater chance of crashing a Civic than an adult but somehow think they have less chance of crashing an RX-8? It doesn't even make sense. No teenager (no anyone) is going to baby one particular car over another. It's their car and they're going to treat it like they'd treat their car, no matter what it is.
Ther's 18,000 members on this Forum. The number below the age of 20 is probably just in the hundreds, certainly no more than a thousand. Of course you're going to see more. A lot more. It's simple math. Even with a 4 time greater chance of getting into an accident, when you make up probably 5% of the forum population, you're still going to have a minority of the posts about accidents.
Obviously certain cars have a greater penchant for getting one into trouble than another. It's why insurance rates for fast cars are, generally, more expensive than slower cars. And that's across the board, no matter the age. For those experienced there's still a greater chance of an accident in an RX-8 than a Civic but for those inexperienced the difference is magnified by inexperience. When you have no driving experience the difference between that 80-hp FWD Civic you drove on your DMV test and that 230hp lightweight RWD RX-8 is incredible.
What he said^^. It all has to do with personal priorities, but no middle class person buys thier kid a 30 grand car! 30k is alot to most people and unless your making very serious jack (say at least 400k+), you don't just blindly drop 30 for a car for your kid. Me, I'm in the low 6 figs and very judiciousely (sp) bought my oldest (16) a brand new 16k sticker car for 9.5. As an aside, I can't believe how nad the car buying economy is now. Too many price reductions. IMHO
06-02-2005, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Go48
1. I can’t stop driving it.
2. I can’t stop thinking about driving it.
3. I can’t stop looking at it.
4. I can’t stop worrying about it.
5. I can’t stop washing it.
6. I can’t stop waxing it.
7. I can’t stop dusting it.
8. I can’t stop adding doodads to it.
9. I can’t stop changing the oil too frequently.
10. I can’t stop reading posts about it on this forum.
:D :D :D
2. I can’t stop thinking about driving it.
3. I can’t stop looking at it.
4. I can’t stop worrying about it.
5. I can’t stop washing it.
6. I can’t stop waxing it.
7. I can’t stop dusting it.
8. I can’t stop adding doodads to it.
9. I can’t stop changing the oil too frequently.
10. I can’t stop reading posts about it on this forum.
:D :D :D
06-02-2005, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by spork
1) Gas mileage
2) Air conditioner is pretty lousy. Only really cold on the last 3 ticks. Then it goes to lukewarm and warm and hot (even though it's still in the blue section).
3) Flooding. Not a problem but I'd rather have to not worry about it, yeah? I haven't had it flood but then again there's been a few cases where I chose not to move my car since I didn't want to risk the car flooding. (Ie moving it from the street to a drive way when cold).
4) Warm cup holders
5) Oil dipstick hard to put back in a non bright location. I had to buy a flashlight. Even with the lights on in my garage (it's pretty bright), I need the flashlight.
6) Nav is soooo out of date. I'm guessing the maps are like 2002 maps at best. And people say it costs $400 to update. That's absurd.
7) Low torque. Be nice to have more.
2) Air conditioner is pretty lousy. Only really cold on the last 3 ticks. Then it goes to lukewarm and warm and hot (even though it's still in the blue section).
3) Flooding. Not a problem but I'd rather have to not worry about it, yeah? I haven't had it flood but then again there's been a few cases where I chose not to move my car since I didn't want to risk the car flooding. (Ie moving it from the street to a drive way when cold).
4) Warm cup holders
5) Oil dipstick hard to put back in a non bright location. I had to buy a flashlight. Even with the lights on in my garage (it's pretty bright), I need the flashlight.
6) Nav is soooo out of date. I'm guessing the maps are like 2002 maps at best. And people say it costs $400 to update. That's absurd.
7) Low torque. Be nice to have more.
06-02-2005, 10:27 PM
#83
I'm stretching here... these are just minor annoyances:
1. Flimsy center console
2. Homelink buttons not lit
3. Bose
4. Smallish trunk opening
5. The top of my foot hits the brake pedal support bar
1. Flimsy center console
2. Homelink buttons not lit
3. Bose
4. Smallish trunk opening
5. The top of my foot hits the brake pedal support bar
06-02-2005, 11:26 PM
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Too much heat in the interior.
Too much heat in the trunk.
Too much heat in the cup holder.
Too much heat in the engine compartment.
Too much heat in the center console.
Yet, it's still a cool car!
Too much heat in the trunk.
Too much heat in the cup holder.
Too much heat in the engine compartment.
Too much heat in the center console.
Yet, it's still a cool car!
06-03-2005, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by griffj10
Great post. If people want a car with dual zone climate control that doesn't burn oil or that has more torque and a better nav they should buy an Accord. If you want a car that is fun to drive, is half the price of a boxter with similar handling plus a back seat that is among the coolest looking cars on the street then you buy an 8. It has its little idiocinracies but that is what makes its owners true enthusiasts. Who really cares about cup holders and seat warmers anyway?
06-03-2005, 05:59 AM
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I also don't like when everytime i get out of my car at a starbucks or a jamba juice, people ask, "so how do u like ur car". this always gets on my nerv's. i f'***ing love it, thats why i'm paying 30k for it. stupid. its the best thing to ever happen to the road since i drove my 1988 convertible rx7. and i still can't get over that car. since my rx7 i've drove over half a dozen other cars, and the only other thing thats gotten me to slightly forget about my rx7 is my new rx8. yes its slow on staights and doesn't have allot of torqe, but come out to the track with me, and unless ur pushing u car hard, u gonna have a hard time keeping up with me on corners.
06-06-2005, 02:02 AM
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In 7 pages you guys still didn't get the 2 single biggest flaws with this car! It's so simple. Here they are:
1: It's only got 2 rotors.
2: It's naturally aspirated.
1: It's only got 2 rotors.
2: It's naturally aspirated.
06-06-2005, 05:05 PM
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I have the nav system, and am amazed there isn't a simple compass readout. I don't always want to turn on the nav system....
The Nav controls suck, I hate the little joy stick. There's an IR window next to the display, wonder if it can interface with a remote control or PDA?
Wish there was a simple video jack for a backup camera or video feed.
The Nav controls suck, I hate the little joy stick. There's an IR window next to the display, wonder if it can interface with a remote control or PDA?
Wish there was a simple video jack for a backup camera or video feed.
06-07-2005, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikelikes2drive
well i feel like we've hijacked this thread far too much and i'll leave the arguing to another thread (that has been repeated far too many times)
and you may be right in what you say, but i my beliefs are my beliefs
but i do baby my 8 far more then when i drive a P.O.S car... and maybe it is because i come from an upper class family... and i probably do have a different view of middle class then you because middle class just depends on where you live... in Los Angeles/OC suburbs area, having a benz or a bimmer still puts u at middle class in my book.
and you may be right in what you say, but i my beliefs are my beliefs
but i do baby my 8 far more then when i drive a P.O.S car... and maybe it is because i come from an upper class family... and i probably do have a different view of middle class then you because middle class just depends on where you live... in Los Angeles/OC suburbs area, having a benz or a bimmer still puts u at middle class in my book.
06-07-2005, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cLLcLe
Hey. I'm 18. I'm getting base cuz I don't want a stupid sun-roof and leather seats. I don't need the powered/heated seats to weigh my car down. I don't want DSC. I want this car to be tail-slide happy.
I'm more likely to crash this car more than the average older adult. And yeah, younger ages like me do tend to be more wild with a sports car. So where is this topic going?
The bottom-of-the-line is that younger adults tend to definetly get into more accidents than older adults. Why? Because we don't know limits.
There are more 30 year olds crashing 8's cuz more 30 year olds own them. I don't really know where this topic is going... but it seems like you guys stated your facts and are defending nothing.
Hey, if you wanna point fingers at the 16-18 year old crowd... look for kids like me that don't know how to drive RWD. Besides, the RX-8 is probably one of the easiest cars to control a drift with. (Wait... I'm not saying I don't know how to drive RWD ^^)
I'm more likely to crash this car more than the average older adult. And yeah, younger ages like me do tend to be more wild with a sports car. So where is this topic going?
The bottom-of-the-line is that younger adults tend to definetly get into more accidents than older adults. Why? Because we don't know limits.
There are more 30 year olds crashing 8's cuz more 30 year olds own them. I don't really know where this topic is going... but it seems like you guys stated your facts and are defending nothing.
Hey, if you wanna point fingers at the 16-18 year old crowd... look for kids like me that don't know how to drive RWD. Besides, the RX-8 is probably one of the easiest cars to control a drift with. (Wait... I'm not saying I don't know how to drive RWD ^^)
06-07-2005, 09:13 PM
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dude i was just joking around. I know that the RX-8 is the hardest car to sustain the drift with. And yes, I have performed a RWD drift because I own a black nissan 240sx.
Oh, and I meant the easiest to control, not to sustain the drift. And yes, I have driven plenty of RX-8s. That's why I'm getting one. Thanks.
*Sigh... I'm not here to anger anyone. Sorry if my humor got the best of some of you....
Oh, and I meant the easiest to control, not to sustain the drift. And yes, I have driven plenty of RX-8s. That's why I'm getting one. Thanks.
*Sigh... I'm not here to anger anyone. Sorry if my humor got the best of some of you....
06-07-2005, 09:37 PM
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i do have to agree with you though the guy that said a under 18 treats any car the same, because he's absolutely wrong, i bet my rx8 is probably in 10x better condition than his(its kept meticulously) and will look that same it does in 10 years as it does now, it gets detailed multiple times a week, i dont even touch the drivers bolster when getting into the car, i sort of hold onto the top of the car and maneuver my way into the car as to not wear or otherwise strain the seats(i hate drivers side bolster seat wear on leather). its garaged always and is is driven once every week or two. on the other hand i beat the hell out of my rx7 and dont look twice when it gets dinged or scratched.
My comment also didn't apply to just teenagers which I explicitly stated. Most people are going to treat their cars the same no matter what they have. You choose to daily-drive one and not pay much attention to it and have another one for fun. No matter what those two cars were you'd likely treat them the same -- one for daily-driving, one for fun that you'd take care of.
Oh, and don't try to make ignorant assumptions about how one cares for their vehicles. Anyone can make their car look great when it's hardly used. When your RX-8 is daily-driven we'll talk. For one, I don't own an RX-8 yet, I own a Mazda6s and a Mazda3s, so yes your RX-8 will look better than my non-existant one. But I'll put my daily-drivers against your daily-drivers any day. Anyone who actually knows me knows I spend an incredible amount of time making those cars look their best almost every weekend. A time-consuming task for 2 cars driven 2000 miles a month or more. Hell I even care my detailing supplies with me on my frequent business trips in my Mazda6 so that Monday morning after driving 1000 miles the night before my car can be meticulous for the week, only to have to repeat it again 3 days later after the return trip.
06-07-2005, 10:16 PM
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I don't really like finding a far far away less populated parking spot, so some ignorant fools won't just scratch the sides of my car.
I don't really like inspecting for any scratches after my friends get in.
I don't really like inspecting for any scratches after my friends get out.
I don't really like inspecting for any scratches from wherever I parked and going home.
I don't really like seeing bird poop added to my car day by day. (only if I park under the big tree in front of my house) (birds in my neighborhood love my car. I've had worse with my gs)
I do all these, because I love this car. I love it over my dad's Porche and my mom's Audi.
They insured me, when I decided to get Rx8, that nothing around 30k will ever be as good as my GS.
Now I love to remindl them that they were WRONG. In fact, I add little bit of something more and tell them, I like it better than both of your 60k over cars.
It's got better breaks than Audi A8. It's far more comfortable than Cayenne S.
Sometimes, I feel little bad having better car than them, but they'll get their chance when I'm off to college in NY. (I'm in CA. I don't think I can take my car with me =(
I can't leave it to my brother, because, as I'm seeing how he treats my old GS, it's a nono.
I think what makes this car special than many others is that it needs more bonding with the owner. The fact that I love cars, it makes it better for me.
I haven't got a single problem, since i got it last December.
Bad things about this car are that I love it so much and I care about it so much! seriously
I don't really like inspecting for any scratches after my friends get in.
I don't really like inspecting for any scratches after my friends get out.
I don't really like inspecting for any scratches from wherever I parked and going home.
I don't really like seeing bird poop added to my car day by day. (only if I park under the big tree in front of my house) (birds in my neighborhood love my car. I've had worse with my gs)
I do all these, because I love this car. I love it over my dad's Porche and my mom's Audi.
They insured me, when I decided to get Rx8, that nothing around 30k will ever be as good as my GS.
Now I love to remindl them that they were WRONG. In fact, I add little bit of something more and tell them, I like it better than both of your 60k over cars.
It's got better breaks than Audi A8. It's far more comfortable than Cayenne S.
Sometimes, I feel little bad having better car than them, but they'll get their chance when I'm off to college in NY. (I'm in CA. I don't think I can take my car with me =(
I can't leave it to my brother, because, as I'm seeing how he treats my old GS, it's a nono.
I think what makes this car special than many others is that it needs more bonding with the owner. The fact that I love cars, it makes it better for me.
I haven't got a single problem, since i got it last December.
Bad things about this car are that I love it so much and I care about it so much! seriously
06-07-2005, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by StealthFox
wow you are completely wrong dude, rx-8 is one of the hardest cars to sustain a drift yet, go get a life you loser you probably havent even driven an rx-8, let alone know how to perform a RWD drift.
Whether you're young or old, driving depends on the driver. You can be driving a beater and still drive wrecklessly. Should all the beater car drivers say teens should not be driving the car b/c it is raising insurance? This saying can go for any car.
People never stop to think about this and i realized too when i heard it in classes.
Drivers never stop and pay attention to the good drivers. The only ones you remember are the bad ones. (come on who's ever stopped on the road and said wow, he's a good "safe" driver).
"Why cant we all just get along?"
06-15-2005, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by abbid
1) its not my first car
2) its not my first RWD car
3) it wasnt given to me as a gift
4) the title is in my name, as i am the OWNER of it, not my parents.
5) its very wrong for a first time driver to have a RWD car, and im sure most of them are getting the base model, with no DCS/TCS. That = BAD.
6) when kids get into accidents because of the point above, MY insurance rate will go higher.
[sorry i hit edit instead of quote on your post :p]
2) its not my first RWD car
3) it wasnt given to me as a gift
4) the title is in my name, as i am the OWNER of it, not my parents.
5) its very wrong for a first time driver to have a RWD car, and im sure most of them are getting the base model, with no DCS/TCS. That = BAD.
6) when kids get into accidents because of the point above, MY insurance rate will go higher.
[sorry i hit edit instead of quote on your post :p]
06-15-2005, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Mafia
this is my first RWD car and i drive without the DCS on all the time and have no trouble.
06-15-2005, 12:01 PM
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I agree with most of the gripes.
Also,
The Vinil inserts in the leather are stupid
The trunk release should be next to the Traction control button
The interior plastic is easily scratched and scuffed.
The seats get uncomfortable on a long trip.
The interior is not that great if you have been in a european car (not counting vw, they're made in mexico)
The trunk is a decent size but the opening is small
The size vents. The are about as functional as a giant wing on a giant rice wing on a cavalier.
The paint easily chips
Needs a trip computer.
You cannot get leather without a sunroof
Fold down seats would be great but I believe it is part of the structural integrity
I had a volvo 850 turbo previously, the only thing the 8 has better is the way it drives and the way it looks. Everything else possible the volvo wins.
Also,
The Vinil inserts in the leather are stupid
The trunk release should be next to the Traction control button
The interior plastic is easily scratched and scuffed.
The seats get uncomfortable on a long trip.
The interior is not that great if you have been in a european car (not counting vw, they're made in mexico)
The trunk is a decent size but the opening is small
The size vents. The are about as functional as a giant wing on a giant rice wing on a cavalier.
The paint easily chips
Needs a trip computer.
You cannot get leather without a sunroof
Fold down seats would be great but I believe it is part of the structural integrity
I had a volvo 850 turbo previously, the only thing the 8 has better is the way it drives and the way it looks. Everything else possible the volvo wins.
06-15-2005, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by GotBass
The size vents. The are about as functional as a giant wing on a giant rice wing on a cavalier.
Originally Posted by GotBass
...the only thing the 8 has better is the way it drives and the way it looks.
06-15-2005, 01:18 PM
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1. Suspension is too soft. Would be great if there was a "real" sport package with lower, stiffer suspension.
2. Need more power (or less weight but that would mean two doors/seats, yeah!)
3. Transmission (manual) is a bit fragile. I have driven manual for 20 years and this car is _much_ more finicky about timing shifts acurately. Otherwise it clunks/grinds. Time the shift right and it is smooth as butter though.
4. Power seats don't go low enough
5. No (or little) insulation, so car gets way hot inside.
6. No dash indicator when the trunk is open
7. No illumination for the sunroof switches
8. Can't make DSC always off.
9. Oil level dipstick is too short
10. Oil filter is too hard to get at. A remote location would be nice.
11. Orange peel paint.
2. Need more power (or less weight but that would mean two doors/seats, yeah!)
3. Transmission (manual) is a bit fragile. I have driven manual for 20 years and this car is _much_ more finicky about timing shifts acurately. Otherwise it clunks/grinds. Time the shift right and it is smooth as butter though.
4. Power seats don't go low enough
5. No (or little) insulation, so car gets way hot inside.
6. No dash indicator when the trunk is open
7. No illumination for the sunroof switches
8. Can't make DSC always off.
9. Oil level dipstick is too short
10. Oil filter is too hard to get at. A remote location would be nice.
11. Orange peel paint.