Statistical Analysis Approach to Understanding MPG Issue
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Just wanted to let "future data contributors" know, I won't be adding any more observations to the analysis. After obtaining around 30 observations, I found that the results really did not change much. If people still wish to contribute their info though, please do so. Maybe someone else could put the data to good use.
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I also have a long commute (50+ miles each way) in NJ. Virtually all of my driving is along Rt78 into Jersey City. The creeping and crawling combined with the 80 mph sprints equal out to around 19 MPG consistantly. The best I've done is a bit over 20, the worst a bit under 18. Manual transmission, just under 4000 miles.
So, MMGDC, would you categorize your Driving Style as Easy, Average, or Hard?
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Yes, I live around the Clinton area, so our commutes should correspond pretty well. I haven't taken 287N during rush hour in a long time, and have no idea how the traffic flows, so you may find yourself doing more heavy traffic than me. I find that most of my stop n go is on 78E before I reach 287, with another chunk near the end of my commute in Jersey City.
My driving style is probably somewhere between easy and moderate. I go 80 when the traffic is moving, but the fastest I've ever had the car is 90 or so. I try to redline once a day just to give the rotary a workout, but otherwise I rarely get the RPMs much past 5 or 6K. FWIW, I haven't really noticed much mileage variation from driving style. It's all about the highway miles and taking long trips as opposed to a bunch of short hops. Also, the car positively guzzles gas when idling.
Still, unless you spend a lot of time on 287 sitting in bumper to bumper traffic, there's no reason you shouldn't get at least 18 MPG. Hope this helps you decide!
My driving style is probably somewhere between easy and moderate. I go 80 when the traffic is moving, but the fastest I've ever had the car is 90 or so. I try to redline once a day just to give the rotary a workout, but otherwise I rarely get the RPMs much past 5 or 6K. FWIW, I haven't really noticed much mileage variation from driving style. It's all about the highway miles and taking long trips as opposed to a bunch of short hops. Also, the car positively guzzles gas when idling.
Still, unless you spend a lot of time on 287 sitting in bumper to bumper traffic, there's no reason you shouldn't get at least 18 MPG. Hope this helps you decide!
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Just a comparison on MPG with a different vehicle. We just recently bought an 8 that my wife drives and have not been through a full tank yet, so no data there. But, I drive an 05' Nissan Altima 3.5L 250 HP V6. Estimate MPG 20 city, 30 Hwy. Adding and subtracting from the estimated MPG, here are some things I have noticed:
- All city driving, stop and go: Subtract 4 MPG = 16mpg
- 50% stop and go 50% expressway - 0 = 20mpg
- 25% stop and go 75% expressway - +2mpg = 22mpg
- Heavy acceleration at stop or passing - -2 to 4 mpg
- Hiway driving
- 55 to 60 mph - 0 = 30mpg
- 61 to 69 mph - -2 = 28mpg
- 70 to 79 mph - -3 = 27mpg
- 80 + - -5 = 25mpg
- head wind 5 to 10 mph - -1mpg
- head wind 11 to 19 mph - -3mpg
- head wind 20 to 29 mph - -5mpg
- head wind over 30 mph - -7mpg
- Tail wind 5 to 15 mph - +2
- Tail wind 16 to 25 mph - +3
- Tail wind 26 + - +4
So, if I am traveling on the hiway at 73mph with a 25mph head wind, I can expect about 20mpg. I drove last weekend about 150 miles east on the interstate with about a 25 to 30mph headwind both coming and going with rain and averaged 21mpg. The car has a built in mpg calculator in the trip meter and is very accurate. When I bought the car I was thinking that if I am on the highway, I should get close to 30mpg, but later learned that it all depends on the way I drive, wind, hills, road surface and how fast I am going. I imagine the same theory holds true with the 8.
I like the Altima, has plenty of power and looks OK for a 4-door. I would still rather drive my wife's 8 though. What a sweet car.
- All city driving, stop and go: Subtract 4 MPG = 16mpg
- 50% stop and go 50% expressway - 0 = 20mpg
- 25% stop and go 75% expressway - +2mpg = 22mpg
- Heavy acceleration at stop or passing - -2 to 4 mpg
- Hiway driving
- 55 to 60 mph - 0 = 30mpg
- 61 to 69 mph - -2 = 28mpg
- 70 to 79 mph - -3 = 27mpg
- 80 + - -5 = 25mpg
- head wind 5 to 10 mph - -1mpg
- head wind 11 to 19 mph - -3mpg
- head wind 20 to 29 mph - -5mpg
- head wind over 30 mph - -7mpg
- Tail wind 5 to 15 mph - +2
- Tail wind 16 to 25 mph - +3
- Tail wind 26 + - +4
So, if I am traveling on the hiway at 73mph with a 25mph head wind, I can expect about 20mpg. I drove last weekend about 150 miles east on the interstate with about a 25 to 30mph headwind both coming and going with rain and averaged 21mpg. The car has a built in mpg calculator in the trip meter and is very accurate. When I bought the car I was thinking that if I am on the highway, I should get close to 30mpg, but later learned that it all depends on the way I drive, wind, hills, road surface and how fast I am going. I imagine the same theory holds true with the 8.
I like the Altima, has plenty of power and looks OK for a 4-door. I would still rather drive my wife's 8 though. What a sweet car.
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1. 11.5 mpg
2. % Highway Driving = 0%
3. Driving Style = B
4. VIN Number (last 6 digits) = 159627
5. Model (eg. Base, GT, etc) = Grand Touring
6. Automatic / 6 speed = 6 speed
7. Octane (Number) of Fuel Used = 87
8. DSC/TCS = Yes
9. Miles to Date = 1200
10. Approximate % Time Driving with Windows Open = 0%
11. Approximate % Time Driving with AC on = 0%
12. Chicag IL
2. % Highway Driving = 0%
3. Driving Style = B
4. VIN Number (last 6 digits) = 159627
5. Model (eg. Base, GT, etc) = Grand Touring
6. Automatic / 6 speed = 6 speed
7. Octane (Number) of Fuel Used = 87
8. DSC/TCS = Yes
9. Miles to Date = 1200
10. Approximate % Time Driving with Windows Open = 0%
11. Approximate % Time Driving with AC on = 0%
12. Chicag IL
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1. RECENT Combined City/Highway Average MPG = __17_________
(Calculated Correctly and One Number please, not a range)
2. % Highway Driving = __40___
3. Driving Style =
C. Above Avg (Use Upper RPM range quite often and accelerate hard)
4. VIN Number (last 6 digits) = __136395_________
(NOTE: If you already entered your VIN on the thread “Let's compare VIN numbers and fuel economy”, I can get it from that thread).
5. Model (eg. Base, GT, etc) = ___GT ________
6. Automatic / 6 speed = ____6SPD_________
7. Octane (Number) of Fuel Used = ___93_________
8. DSC/TCS = Yes
9. Miles to Date = ____20896_______
10. Approximate % Time Driving with Windows Open = __0__(WINTER) _______
11. Approximate % Time Driving with AC on = ____0
12. State = VA
(I’ll later convert to Geographic Region)
(Calculated Correctly and One Number please, not a range)
2. % Highway Driving = __40___
3. Driving Style =
C. Above Avg (Use Upper RPM range quite often and accelerate hard)
4. VIN Number (last 6 digits) = __136395_________
(NOTE: If you already entered your VIN on the thread “Let's compare VIN numbers and fuel economy”, I can get it from that thread).
5. Model (eg. Base, GT, etc) = ___GT ________
6. Automatic / 6 speed = ____6SPD_________
7. Octane (Number) of Fuel Used = ___93_________
8. DSC/TCS = Yes
9. Miles to Date = ____20896_______
10. Approximate % Time Driving with Windows Open = __0__(WINTER) _______
11. Approximate % Time Driving with AC on = ____0
12. State = VA
(I’ll later convert to Geographic Region)
Last edited by Dinhx8; 03-24-2006 at 02:39 PM.
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Sample is 3368 miles recorded Dec 2005 to March 2006. Average temp was right around freezing.
1. RECENT Combined City/Highway Average MPG = ___17.06________
(Calculated Correctly and One Number please, not a range)
2. % Highway Driving = _60%_____
3. Driving Style = B
A. Easy going (Don’t normally use high rpm range, only occasionally)
B. Average,
C. Above Avg (Use Upper RPM range quite often and accelerate hard)
4. VIN Number (last 6 digits) = __135795_________
(NOTE: If you already entered your VIN on the thread “Let's compare VIN numbers and fuel economy”, I can get it from that thread).
5. Model (eg. Base, GT, etc) = __GT_________
6. Automatic / 6 speed = ___6 mt__________
7. Octane (Number) of Fuel Used = ___91____(winter gas)_____
8. DSC/TCS = Yes / No(Don’t Have or Fully Disabled)
9. Miles to Date = __17K_________
10. Approximate % Time Driving with Windows Open = __0__(too cold)______
11. Approximate % Time Driving with AC on = ___0________
12. State = __Toronto, Ontario, Canada____________
(I’ll later convert to Geographic Region)
1. RECENT Combined City/Highway Average MPG = ___17.06________
(Calculated Correctly and One Number please, not a range)
2. % Highway Driving = _60%_____
3. Driving Style = B
A. Easy going (Don’t normally use high rpm range, only occasionally)
B. Average,
C. Above Avg (Use Upper RPM range quite often and accelerate hard)
4. VIN Number (last 6 digits) = __135795_________
(NOTE: If you already entered your VIN on the thread “Let's compare VIN numbers and fuel economy”, I can get it from that thread).
5. Model (eg. Base, GT, etc) = __GT_________
6. Automatic / 6 speed = ___6 mt__________
7. Octane (Number) of Fuel Used = ___91____(winter gas)_____
8. DSC/TCS = Yes / No(Don’t Have or Fully Disabled)
9. Miles to Date = __17K_________
10. Approximate % Time Driving with Windows Open = __0__(too cold)______
11. Approximate % Time Driving with AC on = ___0________
12. State = __Toronto, Ontario, Canada____________
(I’ll later convert to Geographic Region)
Last edited by DarkBrew; 03-24-2006 at 07:24 PM.
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1. RECENT Combined City/Highway Average MPG = _16
(Calculated Correctly and One Number please, not a range)
2. % Highway Driving = _10%
3. Driving Style = C
A. Easy going (Don’t normally use high rpm range, only occasionally)
B. Average,
C. Above Avg (Use Upper RPM range quite often and accelerate hard)
4. VIN Number (last 6 digits) = 137665
(NOTE: If you already entered your VIN on the thread “Let's compare VIN numbers and fuel economy”, I can get it from that thread).
5. Model (eg. Base, GT, etc) = Sport package
6. Automatic / 6 speed = 6-speed
7. Octane (Number) of Fuel Used = 91 (always)
8. DSC/TCS = Yes / No(Don’t Have or Fully Disabled) DSC/TCS always ON
9. Miles to Date = 8200
10. Approximate % Time Driving with Windows Open = 5%
11. Approximate % Time Driving with AC on = 15%
12. State = CALIF
(I’ll later convert to Geographic Region)
1.3L
(Calculated Correctly and One Number please, not a range)
2. % Highway Driving = _10%
3. Driving Style = C
A. Easy going (Don’t normally use high rpm range, only occasionally)
B. Average,
C. Above Avg (Use Upper RPM range quite often and accelerate hard)
4. VIN Number (last 6 digits) = 137665
(NOTE: If you already entered your VIN on the thread “Let's compare VIN numbers and fuel economy”, I can get it from that thread).
5. Model (eg. Base, GT, etc) = Sport package
6. Automatic / 6 speed = 6-speed
7. Octane (Number) of Fuel Used = 91 (always)
8. DSC/TCS = Yes / No(Don’t Have or Fully Disabled) DSC/TCS always ON
9. Miles to Date = 8200
10. Approximate % Time Driving with Windows Open = 5%
11. Approximate % Time Driving with AC on = 15%
12. State = CALIF
(I’ll later convert to Geographic Region)
1.3L
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