Spun out!!!!!!Learnt a valuble lesson!!!
07-30-2005, 05:25 PM
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Spun out!!!!!!Learnt a valuble lesson!!!
Yep, I was driving on cold tires through a tight s turn and got bit! Luckly, I some how recovered and there was no apparent damage other than tire wear. Pulled a nice 720 and kept it in the lane. I'm not sure if DSC could of prevented this but I have a base 8 and took the turn at 120km/h. Anyone else survived a close call like this? I'm still in shock and I'm just glad that my RWD driving experience payed off. Even my passenger said that it was a miracle that I made the recovery.
Anyways, Don't hit the corners with cold tires. :o
Anyways, Don't hit the corners with cold tires. :o
07-30-2005, 05:58 PM
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Not to be a *****, but if you did a full 720, wasnt so much a save, but more a pulling of a horse shoe up your *** 
As to if DSC would have help, that kinda depends on why you lost traction in the first place. What were you doing when you spun, and more importantly, why did you spin. Did you hit sand or gravel or some such thing, or just take a corner too tight?
Regardless, glad to here you made it through.
EDIT: Dont get me wrong, Im not saying skill didnt play a factor in your recovery... playing the breaks right or knowing when to get back on the throtle makes a huge difference with a rear wheel drive vehicle. I was just saying that once you have seen the world around you twice ( aka... a 720 ), you already put your faith in lady luck to some degree.... not that I havent been there.
As to if DSC would have help, that kinda depends on why you lost traction in the first place. What were you doing when you spun, and more importantly, why did you spin. Did you hit sand or gravel or some such thing, or just take a corner too tight?
Regardless, glad to here you made it through.
EDIT: Dont get me wrong, Im not saying skill didnt play a factor in your recovery... playing the breaks right or knowing when to get back on the throtle makes a huge difference with a rear wheel drive vehicle. I was just saying that once you have seen the world around you twice ( aka... a 720 ), you already put your faith in lady luck to some degree.... not that I havent been there.
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07-30-2005, 06:07 PM
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Not to be a *****, but if you did a full 720, wasnt so much a save, but more a pulling of a horse shoe up your ***
As to if DSC would have help, that kinda depends on why you lost traction in the first place. What were you doing when you spun, and more importantly, why did you spin. Did you hit sand or gravel or some such thing, or just take a corner too tight?
Regardless, glad to here you made it through.
EDIT: Dont get me wrong, Im not saying skill didnt play a factor in your recovery... playing the breaks right or knowing when to get back on the throtle makes a huge difference with a rear wheel drive vehicle. I was just saying that once you have seen the world around you twice ( aka... a 720 ), you already put your faith in lady luck to some degree.... not that I havent been there.
As to if DSC would have help, that kinda depends on why you lost traction in the first place. What were you doing when you spun, and more importantly, why did you spin. Did you hit sand or gravel or some such thing, or just take a corner too tight?
Regardless, glad to here you made it through.
EDIT: Dont get me wrong, Im not saying skill didnt play a factor in your recovery... playing the breaks right or knowing when to get back on the throtle makes a huge difference with a rear wheel drive vehicle. I was just saying that once you have seen the world around you twice ( aka... a 720 ), you already put your faith in lady luck to some degree.... not that I havent been there.
07-30-2005, 06:11 PM
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Well, I saved the car from going directly on to a sidewalk and hitting a poll. The first turn is a sweeping left and leads into a right. I made the left and as I continued into the right turn I had too much speed into it and the car was pulling right as the rear wheels loss traction. The car continued to an almost complete 180 to the right and I pull the ebrake and turned the wheel left so that the car changed direction and then span twice in the same lane. If I didn't pull the ebrake and turn the wheel at that moment, the car would have been written off. But I do agree that the horseshoe made an appearence. 
I really don't think that it spun because of sand or gravel....more like I pushed it too hard on cold tires and lost grip. I have taken that turn before but not that fast. The limits of the 8 are crazy.
I really don't think that it spun because of sand or gravel....more like I pushed it too hard on cold tires and lost grip. I have taken that turn before but not that fast. The limits of the 8 are crazy.
07-30-2005, 06:13 PM
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A "720" is two complete spins, perhaps you meant a "360" which is once around. Unless they have a lot wider lanes there than they have here, you can't spin and keep the car in the lane - the lane is too narrow and the car is too long.
Nicer would have been to caught the car before it went around at all.
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Nicer would have been to caught the car before it went around at all.
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07-30-2005, 06:21 PM
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^^^^I did catch the car before it went around but I was carrying too much speed to hold it. It stayed in the lane because I recoverd. Lanes are very small and turns are tight.
07-30-2005, 06:39 PM
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I did a 900 spin on the expressway with worn(not wornout) Bridgestones in the rain. It was 3 lanes each direction. Keep off the concrete walls and traffic slowed. Didn't touch anything. I felt it start to slid and corrected. The DSC felt my corrections and over corrected in the other direction causing the spin. I'm not sold on this DSC.
07-30-2005, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by alnielsen
I did a 900 spin on the expressway with worn(not wornout) Bridgestones in the rain. It was 3 lanes each direction. Keep off the concrete walls and traffic slowed. Didn't touch anything. I felt it start to slid and corrected. The DSC felt my corrections and over corrected in the other direction causing the spin. I'm not sold on this DSC.
07-31-2005, 12:08 AM
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dumbass.
seriously why would you consider a 120 km/h S turn when you know your tires arent warmed up?
consider yourself lucky that your car didn't get damaged severely
seriously why would you consider a 120 km/h S turn when you know your tires arent warmed up?
consider yourself lucky that your car didn't get damaged severely
07-31-2005, 04:00 AM
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True, I am a dumbass! I was just used to the friggon hot *** weather we've been getting. Tires would get nice a sticky real quick. Today was a lot cooler so I almost paid for it. Like I said, I learned a valuble lesson and luckily I still have my car in one piece.
Todreamer--It was on ameer, just north of ranee.(yorkdale area)
Todreamer--It was on ameer, just north of ranee.(yorkdale area)
07-31-2005, 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by StealthFox
dumbass.
seriously why would you consider a 120 km/h S turn when you know your tires arent warmed up?
consider yourself lucky that your car didn't get damaged severely
seriously why would you consider a 120 km/h S turn when you know your tires arent warmed up?
consider yourself lucky that your car didn't get damaged severely
hope you have learnt a lesson and think of other ppl on the road next time
07-31-2005, 12:53 PM
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it wasn't the cold tires. you were going way to fast and then shifted the weight abruptly, causing the car to snap-oversteer. 720 would've been possible if it were wet outside. bottomline, you were going way to fast. becareful, not only for yourself, but other people on the road. stupidity isn't easy to forgive.
07-31-2005, 01:24 PM
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Yes, Speed+cold tires+dramatic shift in direction=violent spin. I was trying to showoff and it didn't work. I know that I was wrong and I will keep those kind of manouvers only at the track.
On a sidenote, I think that this car encourages ppl to push the envalope and being a male is not easy when it comes to holding back.
Morgan---I will still love ya even if you were a brown crayon.
On a sidenote, I think that this car encourages ppl to push the envalope and being a male is not easy when it comes to holding back.
Morgan---I will still love ya even if you were a brown crayon.
07-31-2005, 01:38 PM
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http://www.autocross.com/evolution/
and
http://www.nasaproracing.com/
and
http://www.scca.org
(Solo I and II)
Just some links to learn some other valuable lessons at.
Remember with oversteer, you never see the tree that kills you!
and
http://www.nasaproracing.com/
and
http://www.scca.org
(Solo I and II)
Just some links to learn some other valuable lessons at.
Remember with oversteer, you never see the tree that kills you!
07-31-2005, 01:47 PM
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i still don't get it, why would you pull the ebrake? pulling the e-brake create more oversteer, only drifters use the ebrake to keep the car sideway and set the car up for the exit turn. I'm assuming your rear end give out (oversteer), pulling the ebrake don't make sense.
me = confused
me = confused
07-31-2005, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by formatsee
i still don't get it, why would you pull the ebrake? pulling the e-brake create more oversteer, only drifters use the ebrake to keep the car sideway and set the car up for the exit turn. I'm assuming your rear end give out (oversteer), pulling the ebrake don't make sense.
me = confused
me = confused
crossbow---thanks for the links. I definatly think the one thing the 8 does lack is a stiffer rear end.
07-31-2005, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DARKMAZ8
True, I am a dumbass! I was just used to the friggon hot *** weather we've been getting. Tires would get nice a sticky real quick. Today was a lot cooler so I almost paid for it. Like I said, I learned a valuble lesson and luckily I still have my car in one piece.
Todreamer--It was on ameer, just north of ranee.(yorkdale area)
Todreamer--It was on ameer, just north of ranee.(yorkdale area)
07-31-2005, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DARKMAZ8
the car started oversteering to the right so I corrected it by braking and steering left. The ebrake came after the correction because spinning left was a lot better then right on to the sidewalk. I used normal braking combined with the ebrake. It's hard to tell you exactly because it happened pretty darn fast.
crossbow---thanks for the links. I definatly think the one thing the 8 does lack is a stiffer rear end.
crossbow---thanks for the links. I definatly think the one thing the 8 does lack is a stiffer rear end.
07-31-2005, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DARKMAZ8
^^^^I did catch the car before it went around but I was carrying too much speed to hold it. It stayed in the lane because I recoverd. Lanes are very small and turns are tight.
I keep saying the sports pack is pretty much a MUST HAVE for any 8 and it is a shame they even make a BASE 8. The HID lights and the DSC are must haves for everyone.
Dennis