SPORTS CAR or SPORTS SEDAN?
08-26-2003, 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Butt Dyno
Just trying to illustrate how silly classifying a car based on its heritage is... when I think sports car I think "something that can kick *** on a track, stock"... seems like the # of doors shouldn't really matter...
Do I get confetti for the post?
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Just trying to illustrate how silly classifying a car based on its heritage is... when I think sports car I think "something that can kick *** on a track, stock"... seems like the # of doors shouldn't really matter...
Do I get confetti for the post?
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I'm sorry no confetti for you, IMO.
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08-27-2003, 12:03 AM
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The RX-8 is a Tweener. Mazda and some others promote it as roomy enough for 4 full sized adults. I tried it out and it simply doesn't have enough room for 4. However, the car has enough compromises away from a sports car that I find it impossible to classify as sports car like. Therefore I call it a tweener.
Unfortunately for me, I think the RX-8 is a bad concept. The rear seats are worthless for seating normal humans yet they create many performance compromises. What is the point? Make the seats real or don't make them at all!
I want an RX-8 with another 3" of cabin length and proper rear doors that are not cocoon like. I want this even at the expense of a tad of it's sports car like quality. I also want an RX-7 without the utilitarian compromise of the rear seat.
Unfortunately for me, I think the RX-8 is a bad concept. The rear seats are worthless for seating normal humans yet they create many performance compromises. What is the point? Make the seats real or don't make them at all!
I want an RX-8 with another 3" of cabin length and proper rear doors that are not cocoon like. I want this even at the expense of a tad of it's sports car like quality. I also want an RX-7 without the utilitarian compromise of the rear seat.
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08-27-2003, 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by RX-8 Zoomster
Well, here's an illustration. The $300k Maybach 57 can do 0-60mph in 5.2 sec. (link). It will definately kick the *** of over 95% of the cars out there in straight times. I don't consider this a sports car. Obviously you would since this car meets your criteria for a sports car.
Well, here's an illustration. The $300k Maybach 57 can do 0-60mph in 5.2 sec. (link). It will definately kick the *** of over 95% of the cars out there in straight times. I don't consider this a sports car. Obviously you would since this car meets your criteria for a sports car.
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08-27-2003, 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by Butt Dyno
Why wouldn't it be a "sports car"? The number of doors? If it's not, how is the 8 one? Aesthetics?
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Why wouldn't it be a "sports car"? The number of doors? If it's not, how is the 8 one? Aesthetics?
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So if you reread my first post on this thread instead of being so defensive of your EVO, you will see that I did not classify the RX-8 as a sports car, just a sports coupe. That's why I agree with Hercules that this thread posts a stupid question. It's all subjective as how one would define a sports car in their mind.
08-27-2003, 01:10 AM
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Doesn't the term 'cross-over' mean anything? For example, what would you call a RX330? wagon? truck? SUV? Modern Minivan? RX8: sporty handling, suicide door quad-coupe design, sports car styling, coupe space with extra headroom. I think I'll say 'cross over'
08-27-2003, 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
Doesn't the term 'cross-over' mean anything? For example, what would you call a RX330? wagon? truck? SUV? Modern Minivan? RX8: sporty handling, suicide door quad-coupe design, sports car styling, coupe space with extra headroom. I think I'll say 'cross over'
Doesn't the term 'cross-over' mean anything? For example, what would you call a RX330? wagon? truck? SUV? Modern Minivan? RX8: sporty handling, suicide door quad-coupe design, sports car styling, coupe space with extra headroom. I think I'll say 'cross over'
08-27-2003, 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by babylou
Unfortunately for me, I think the RX-8 is a bad concept. The rear seats are worthless for seating normal humans yet they create many performance compromises. What is the point? Make the seats real or don't make them at all!
Unfortunately for me, I think the RX-8 is a bad concept. The rear seats are worthless for seating normal humans yet they create many performance compromises. What is the point? Make the seats real or don't make them at all!
08-27-2003, 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by Seks
tsk tsk... did I manage to stir up a sensitive side of you just by asking all rx-8 owners a simple question which has no intention whatsoever on dissing the rx-8?
If you yourself want to start something, ok...
You do realize this "girly car" can beat your rx-8? I just hope one day, one of those "girly cars" will teach you a lesson
"Today, I got spanked [actually about even] by a Toyota Solara V6 AT. It's 225hp and 3241lbs. Without any technical explainations - the RX-8 should NOT trail behind a Solara!!!! It's 13hp less and 241lbs heavier with an auto tranny."
^^^^^^^^^ :D
DO I HEAR 250? DO I HEAR 238? DO I HEAR...?
tsk tsk... did I manage to stir up a sensitive side of you just by asking all rx-8 owners a simple question which has no intention whatsoever on dissing the rx-8?
If you yourself want to start something, ok...
You do realize this "girly car" can beat your rx-8? I just hope one day, one of those "girly cars" will teach you a lesson
"Today, I got spanked [actually about even] by a Toyota Solara V6 AT. It's 225hp and 3241lbs. Without any technical explainations - the RX-8 should NOT trail behind a Solara!!!! It's 13hp less and 241lbs heavier with an auto tranny."
^^^^^^^^^ :D
DO I HEAR 250? DO I HEAR 238? DO I HEAR...?
This made me laugh (in a pained way). Not all of us are sensitive about the S2000 (or Solara
) being considerably faster than the RX-8...I would have to say I don't know if the RX-8 is a sports car - perhaps it is a new breed of vehicle. It has the performance, handling and design intent of a sports car, but with the practicality of a small sedan. I do not think it is a sports coupe (like the G35C or the BMW 330ci) as it is both more sporty and more sedan-like. I believe there will be a lot of other cars in this new class in the future.
08-27-2003, 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by babylou
The RX-8 is a Tweener. Mazda and some others promote it as roomy enough for 4 full sized adults. I tried it out and it simply doesn't have enough room for 4. However, the car has enough compromises away from a sports car that I find it impossible to classify as sports car like. Therefore I call it a tweener.
Unfortunately for me, I think the RX-8 is a bad concept. The rear seats are worthless for seating normal humans yet they create many performance compromises. What is the point? Make the seats real or don't make them at all!
I want an RX-8 with another 3" of cabin length and proper rear doors that are not cocoon like. I want this even at the expense of a tad of it's sports car like quality. I also want an RX-7 without the utilitarian compromise of the rear seat.
The RX-8 is a Tweener. Mazda and some others promote it as roomy enough for 4 full sized adults. I tried it out and it simply doesn't have enough room for 4. However, the car has enough compromises away from a sports car that I find it impossible to classify as sports car like. Therefore I call it a tweener.
Unfortunately for me, I think the RX-8 is a bad concept. The rear seats are worthless for seating normal humans yet they create many performance compromises. What is the point? Make the seats real or don't make them at all!
I want an RX-8 with another 3" of cabin length and proper rear doors that are not cocoon like. I want this even at the expense of a tad of it's sports car like quality. I also want an RX-7 without the utilitarian compromise of the rear seat.
THIS is why I got an RX-8 instead of the S2000 I wanted very badly:
08-27-2003, 12:20 PM
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Re: Re: SPORTS CAR or SPORTS SEDAN?
Originally posted by Zaphod
I disagree. I think it's a sports car with the practical features of a sedan. A BMW 3-series, now that's a sports sedan with some features of a sports car.
Just because it's not a Porsche doesn't mean it isn't a sports car. And just because there are other cars that will outrun it doesn't mean it isn't a sports car.
BUT, it was meant to be practical, moreso than most of the cars people compare it to, so it definitely has some features of a sedan without actually being one. And that's something I'm very glad for because it is what I require.
I disagree. I think it's a sports car with the practical features of a sedan. A BMW 3-series, now that's a sports sedan with some features of a sports car.
Just because it's not a Porsche doesn't mean it isn't a sports car. And just because there are other cars that will outrun it doesn't mean it isn't a sports car.
BUT, it was meant to be practical, moreso than most of the cars people compare it to, so it definitely has some features of a sedan without actually being one. And that's something I'm very glad for because it is what I require.
Sports car = 2 seater.
08-27-2003, 12:23 PM
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Re: Re: Re: SPORTS CAR or SPORTS SEDAN?
Originally posted by vudoodoodoo
4 doors + back seats = sedan or sports sedan.
Sports car = 2 seater.
4 doors + back seats = sedan or sports sedan.
Sports car = 2 seater.
08-27-2003, 12:27 PM
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My (and most people's) definition of a sports car.
Powerful
Lightwieght
Good handling
2 door
2 seater
The only 2 current Japanese cars I can think of that can be called sports cars are the NSX and 350Z. Although the Z COULD lose a few pounds.
Powerful
Lightwieght
Good handling
2 door
2 seater
The only 2 current Japanese cars I can think of that can be called sports cars are the NSX and 350Z. Although the Z COULD lose a few pounds.
08-27-2003, 12:31 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: SPORTS CAR or SPORTS SEDAN?
Originally posted by Zaphod
I think that's a very narrow-minded approach. The whole idea with this car is to shatter that exact thought. They might not have completely shattered it, but they've gotten closer than anyone else to date, IMO.
I think that's a very narrow-minded approach. The whole idea with this car is to shatter that exact thought. They might not have completely shattered it, but they've gotten closer than anyone else to date, IMO.
This is like saying. "It's a sports car, but with 4 doors." "It's a sports car, but is FWD!" "It's a sports car, but is really slow!"
It falls into the sporty sedan category. Like the M5 or G35 sedan. It's fast and has 4 doors and can seat 4 adults.
I'm not dissing the 8 or anything.
08-27-2003, 12:36 PM
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Originally quoted by Butt Dyno
Frankly, you can have the S2K... not a bad car but the RX8 is a great drive with super handling, road grip, and space (everyone who has been a passenger loves it) - neck pulling speed with a sports car feel. Try putting 3 or 4 in your S2K!:p
Still think it's a cool car of course, hope to see some out autoxing, though the S2K is going to be tough to beat.
08-27-2003, 12:42 PM
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Hi people,
I remember reading from a magazine and it kindda defined whats a sports car...
1. rear-wheel drive.
2. manual transmission (I guess SMG counts..)
3. good balance (near 50:50)
4. lightweight
5. high reving
I think that was it.
Some people are saying 4 seaters or 2 + 2 are not sports car
How about supra or M3? Not saying people are wrong, just that Im confused whats the definition of a sports car too...
I remember reading from a magazine and it kindda defined whats a sports car...
1. rear-wheel drive.
2. manual transmission (I guess SMG counts..)
3. good balance (near 50:50)
4. lightweight
5. high reving
I think that was it.
Some people are saying 4 seaters or 2 + 2 are not sports car
How about supra or M3? Not saying people are wrong, just that Im confused whats the definition of a sports car too...
08-27-2003, 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by Butt Dyno
So the Carerra 4S isn't a sports car because it's AWD? (There's a 911 with 4 doors? news to me...)
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So the Carerra 4S isn't a sports car because it's AWD? (There's a 911 with 4 doors? news to me...)
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I never said anything about AWD. Some sports cars have AWD. The 911 turbo for instance.
08-27-2003, 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by bong
I think that was it.
Some people are saying 4 seaters or 2 + 2 are not sports car
How about supra or M3? Not saying people are wrong, just that Im confused whats the definition of a sports car too...
I think that was it.
Some people are saying 4 seaters or 2 + 2 are not sports car
How about supra or M3? Not saying people are wrong, just that Im confused whats the definition of a sports car too...
Sport coupe or GT car.
08-27-2003, 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by Wasy
Originally quoted by Butt Dyno
Frankly, you can have the S2K... not a bad car but the RX8 is a great drive with super handling, road grip, and space (everyone who has been a passenger loves it) - neck pulling speed with a sports car feel. Try putting 3 or 4 in your S2K!:p
Originally quoted by Butt Dyno
Frankly, you can have the S2K... not a bad car but the RX8 is a great drive with super handling, road grip, and space (everyone who has been a passenger loves it) - neck pulling speed with a sports car feel. Try putting 3 or 4 in your S2K!:p
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08-27-2003, 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by vudoodoodoo
Back seats = sporty coupe.
I never said anything about AWD. Some sports cars have AWD. The 911 turbo for instance.
Back seats = sporty coupe.
I never said anything about AWD. Some sports cars have AWD. The 911 turbo for instance.
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08-27-2003, 12:53 PM
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Does it try to be a sports car?
Yes (has the performance)
Does it try to be a sedan?
Yes (why else put 4 doors and 4 seats and make a fuss about how "roomy" it is?)
So it's a sports car...that's also a sedan?
Gee....I think those types of automobiles are called SPORTS SEDANS!
From what I know (granted, what I know is limited), a "coupe" means a 2 door car, so the RX-8 CAN'T be a "sports coupe".
Yes (has the performance)
Does it try to be a sedan?
Yes (why else put 4 doors and 4 seats and make a fuss about how "roomy" it is?)
So it's a sports car...that's also a sedan?
Gee....I think those types of automobiles are called SPORTS SEDANS!
From what I know (granted, what I know is limited), a "coupe" means a 2 door car, so the RX-8 CAN'T be a "sports coupe".
08-27-2003, 01:11 PM
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The car is a sports sedan. I've driven it, I love it. I've also driven a few 3rd Gen RX7's. The 7 was a sports car, the 8 is not. (and yes, I know the 8 is not a replacement for the 7)
I have to agree with the previous post that the vast majority of people use the following criteria to define a 'sports car'
1. Manual Transmission
2. Two seats
3. Two doors
4. Light Weight
5. RWD
(and my personal addition, no power accessories)
The rest is debatable I guess, but that's the gist of it.
This said, I loved the 8 I test drove, and i'm currently planning on it being the replacement for my wife's 96 Altima. It will NOT, however, be a replacement for my desire to get an FD3S
I have to agree with the previous post that the vast majority of people use the following criteria to define a 'sports car'
1. Manual Transmission
2. Two seats
3. Two doors
4. Light Weight
5. RWD
(and my personal addition, no power accessories)
The rest is debatable I guess, but that's the gist of it.
This said, I loved the 8 I test drove, and i'm currently planning on it being the replacement for my wife's 96 Altima. It will NOT, however, be a replacement for my desire to get an FD3S
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Id concider it a sports car and so far everyone who has sat in mine has called it so.
However it could be a grand touring car too but im thinking more sports car than grand touring.
However it could be a grand touring car too but im thinking more sports car than grand touring.