MazdaManiac

iTrader: (3)

Uh, yes. She is a moderator.

Beyond having difficulty understanding this outburst (mostly muffled by the presence of your foot in your mouth), I think you should just feel chastened and penitent.

Nigandahu

Hmm..lets see....nope sure don't feel like that.

Nubo

I can understand someone wanting to verify if all the threads on the forum are hype and trying it out on a demo. I think I would have simply shut it off instead of stalling though. And if this was a matter of "doing your homework" then I don't understand why the unflood procedure wasn't tried. Something isn't adding up.

And when I see then I think that yes, that would be vandalism. What's left to prove? Leave them cars alone

selmeralto

You may be right, Eric.

Or, it might be a reference to both. In which case we would have a double entendR8.

Elara

Okay, perhaps I should restate. Don't attack other members, or you may find yourself banned. You're not supoposed to be intimidated, you're supposed to be following the TOS you agreed to when you joined the forum.

Pardon the thread hijack, guys.

Q121825

The fact that you intentionally flooded a car is appalling. The dealer eats the cost of unflooding it (Mazda does not reimburse them for floods on unsold cars).

I have spoken at length with my Service Manager. The only flooded vehicles they have had are the first few delivered when the semi drivers drove them down the ramp, parked them and turned them off. The dealer ate the cost of new plugs (about $100/set at their cost) and the labor to unflood them.

I've got just 3800 miles in just 4 weeks and I'm still smiling. I'm looking forward to the next 200,000 miles in this car!

Note To Queen Mab Elara: You're just too nice!

Katchoo

I think that the dealer not mentioning a problem like this is being inconsiderate to the potential buyer. Yes, I know they want to make a sale...but it is heck of a way to start off a relationship like this by withholding pretty significant information like this.

Not that many buyers do this level of research when buying a car. This web site is very good about pointing out the pros and cons of the RX-8. I just wish the dealer would be so honest (not to mention all the magazines that reviewed the RX).

Since the potential problem is applicable to the entire fleet of cars I would think it would be the right thing to do to let people know about it. But what do I know...I live under a rock.

grogiefrog

First, adrian-1, I like the red light!

I agree, and like someone else said, it is going to be someone else's car.

I flooded my '84 GSL-SE RX-7 one time. I found that when it was cold, if I let go of the key before it turned over, it would flood. So, I just made sure that it was running before I let go. It was not a big deal.

Psylence

Why is flooding such a big deal? Why is it so damn hard to let your car run momentarily?

Can you people handle the responsibility of owning *any* car? Damn.. So sick and tired of these threads. Sell your '8 and stop your whining.

White_GTS, if I was that dealer I would beat your *** for being a tool. Would you mind stopping by my place of work and intentionally trying to destroy some of my equipment? I've got some frustration I wouldn't mind venting....

Sue Esponte

I hate to perpetuate the flooding discussion (because over the past few days that I've been on this board I've seen this issue beaten to death) but I do have one quick question.

Let's first assume I have an RX8;
Now, let's assume I flood it;

I know the answer may be in the owner's manual (which, being a non-owner I do not have) but from what I've read on this board, it seems like there's a solution to the flooding problem that doesn't require an owner to bring their car to the dealer. Is this true? What's the process entail? Is it a sure fire fix or does "flooding = dealer visit".

-Eric

guy321

It's more likely from KIT, from Knight Rider.. David Hasselhoff is soo cool, how could you not get that. I have a David Hasselhoff life size cut out in my room because I want to be like him when I grow older.

White_GTS

Are you threatening me my friend? The way I see it I have the right to test the car any way I can before buying something. Am I not correct?

A demo is a demo and that is what it is there for. What is wrong with you people.

Don't tell me no one esle on this forum went to a dealer and started the car and turned it off to see if it will turn back on? What about all those people that drove down the street and stalled the car but was lucky to get it fired up again.

Now if those people that drove the car down the street who stalled and flooded the car are you gonna want to beat his *** or get mad at him?

No why not? He stalled didn't he/she?

I've read several threads where people stated that they stalled on their test drive so what gives folks!

As stated if you want to argue with me then you guys have to much time.

My whole point of this thread was to tell the potenital buyers that yes it will flood if you stalled the car when it is cold or turn on the car and turn it back on right away.

Thats it.

guy321

Changing out plugs is hardly destroying equipment.. Maybe they'll put the hotter plugs in now.

Yes, the dealer eats the cost of the plugs and the labor..

I'm sure they have mechanics sitting around doing nothing at one part of the day or another, or they are on break, etc.. The cost of labor is pretty much fixed for the dealer, and is just offset by the work he does. They can probably write it off to MNA anyway since they are covering flooding.. Also, they'd jsut have to do it later on the same car after someone does it unintentionally.

Not saying he was right or wrong to try to flood it intentionally, but he was doing his best to protect himself.

Sue Esponte

I certainly don't understand the hostility in your post but most modern cars can withstand being started, quickly shut down and then restarted without severe consequences. It's not about responsibility or most other new cars on the road today.

And, whereas, it may not be an issue for you to have to warm up your car (don't know where you live, whether you have multiple cars, climate, etc), a valet may have to run through this process with your car several times in an evening.

Despite these posts, I'm still considering an RX8 (although I'd still like to have a better understanding of the issue). And, even though it sounds like this issue may be a bit blown out of proportion, on an inconvenience scale it still registers much higher than "an electrical glitch with the radio".

-Eric

P.S. Oh, yeah and Re: If I was more of a veteran around here I'd probably just tell you to stop reading these threads if you are sick and tired of them.

Psylence

The issue has been beaten to death. Dead horse territory. You can flood anything, even "modern" cars. Hondas flood.. so have Audis.

Yet here we are, making this an RX8 only issue.

Again, why do people need to start/stop/restart within seconds anyway? Spaz much?

guy321

I agree with you.. but imagine this scenerio.. I have seen it with my own eyes.

Your neighbor walks out of thier car port door and into thier car.. (about a 5 foot walk) Starts the car and backs to the end of thier driveway. Said neighbor then shuts off the car, walks to the mailbox, checks it then gets back in thier car and starts it..
Task done, this person then drives to his elderly moms house FIVE houses up the road and parks.

Psylence

If that neighbor complains about flooding out his car I'd laugh in his face. I don't care *what* kind of car you have, that sort of crap is NOT GOOD for longevity. Rotary or piston, you just don't do that **** to your drivetrain.

So to conclude, if you start your car, ANY car, and move it 5 feet only to shut it off.. then this is for you the following morning.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

No sympathy for the ignorant.

Sue Esponte

Still don't get the hostility, but it's not "spazzing" for (a) a valet to move a car a few feet, (b) to start a car, pull it out of the garage to wash it, (c) or run down the road to run an errand (in the winter).

It takes a long time for a car to come to temperature when the temps drop below FREEZING. Summer only lasts so long in the northeast. I've run plenty of errands within miles of my house when my car hasn't had time to reach temperature and I haven't had the time to sit and wait for it to warm up.

Since flooding isn't an issue (contrary to your belief) for most modern cards it's also more likely that someone will do just that without even considering engine temperature. Although I avoid valets (reasons of trust and abuse), I never worry about my car's inability to start when I do hand over the keys. And, I can pull my cars in and out of the garage and not warm them up as much as I'd like without a worry of them not starting.

You can call it spazzing or whatever you'd like. I call it worry-free....sounds like others do too.

-Eric

Psylence

Enjoy the increase in engine wear from the numerous cold start/stop cycles.

We aren't even talking about the engine needing "to get up to temperature." The needle doesn't even have to necessarily move to center in order to be out of the "danger zone" or however you want to refer to it.

And flooding is def. an issue on modern cars. They all run rich right at startup in order to facilitate catalytic converter heating..

I wouldn't pull ANY car into and out of the garage.. at least a trip around the block. Anything less is abusing the engine of the car.

Sue Esponte

I don't make a habit of starting and shutting down the engine for numerous reasons, including those mentioned in your prior post, but I'd love to take a poll of people who have flooded their new $30K non-rotary cars such that they have to go to the dealer for remedy.

-Eric

G8rboy

I totally agree with Psylence- you shouldn't drive any car a few feet and shut it off- it's just plain bad for any engine. Acidic condensation build-up from not warming up a car will shorten the life of any motor.

And yes, flooding does happen to 30k modern non-rotary cars - my wife managed to flood our '03 Explorer a few weeks back in the brutual cold by moving it 15 feet from the driveway into the garage... it took about 5 tries to get it started, and filled the garage with tons of exhaust smoke. I came very close to pulling the fuel pump fuse... but fortunately it didn't come to that. I would hazdard to guess that many would have called the dealer for a tow at that point.

aussie77

Inconsiderate and moronic is about what I'd call this. You know there is an issue, but that doesn't give you the right to go and knowingly cost someone's company money because you lack basic manners, consideration or perhaps intelligence.

Yes, it is a demo car. No, that does not give you the right to do whatever the hell you want to it.

If I thought there was an issue with the leather seats ripping, would I be justified in slicing one open when the salesman wasn't looking? After all it is just a demo car. Or how about a quick keying when nobody was around to check and see how scratch resistant the paint was?

That you did it once was stupid and childish. That you talk about going to another dealership and doing it again just makes you an idiot.

Gord96BRG

No, you're not correct. You have no right to test the car - a test drive is a courtesy extended by a dealer to potential buyers. You have no right to pull out, rev up and dump the clutch, do handbrake turns, speed, slide around corners, etc. You don't even have the right to drive any way you can in your own car - you are legally required to follow the laws, and your driving privileges can be revoked by the province if you don't. But by all means, when it's your own property abuse it how you like. When it belongs to someone else, show a little respect. How would you like us all to line up to drive your car the way you test drive dealer cars?

So - we've told you that you didn't necessarily flood the car, and that it probably could have been started just by holding down the gas pedal and cranking for 10 seconds. Do you still feel the need to prove this to yourself by flooding more RX-8s? Oh, right, you don't believe it until you see it for yourself. I guess you don't believe that astronauts landed on the moon, either?

Regards,
Gordon

MazdaManiac

iTrader: (3)

Well, who are you? :p

White_GTS

What kind of place is this? Your calling me a moron. Watch your mouth buddy. A car should be built to be able to hold up a stall. If it cannot be stalled then somehting is wrong with it.

So like what I said in my other post did you read what I said? I said what do you call the drivers that actually stall when test driving them and end of flooding them? Oh there morons to for stalling right? or probably not because they don't know how to drive and thats their excuse for stalling right...

WTF

Your messed in the head my friend...

And there is a difference from stalling a car and turning on the car and off the car compared to actually cutting the seats or scratching the paint. That is totally a different issue.