Is RX8 worth the amount we paid?
 

Thinking about it now~
RX-8 with only 238HP and auto one 197HP
and I am paying 46000CAN for it is a bit too much...

I have a Auto GT one with nav install..
it just have new and cool looking, more luxry and fancy stuff install. Performance wise it is like in the RSX type-S class.
Well, even type S has more HP then the AUTO RX-8 if i remenber correctly...

Dont be mistaken. I love the car. the way it look, but just when thinking of the performance it is sigh.... dont even want to mention it now....

with enough $ you can make a POS Geo Metro into a drag racing beast or an autoX threat but you can't put a price on STYLE.

Sure pay $ to put crap ass body kits that make a civic look like a Supra or Skyline or what have you but in the end, it's doesn't have any more true style than when it began cuz it will NEVER really be a Supra or Skyline...

If you wanted outright performance you might have purchased the wrong car, but for style NOTHING under $100,000 USD comes close to looking as good as a brand spankin new red RX8.

well i agree with u partly but not totally....
the g35c cost only a bit more but it does have more HP and it doesn't have the difference in HP btw auto and manual...
and the look is very good too... maybe not as young and cool looking as RX8 but it is a very nice car.

well i love the car. Its just like love the car so much want it to be better and faster. Dont want ppl to think it as a car with just style but no performance..

If you owned the rx8 you would know its WORTH it

u know what? i do have one......

I look at it this way.

There are several things on the car that can't be changed easily like the drivetrain layout (front - mid engine), transmission, exterior styling, interior styling/layout, and four functional seats.

There are many options to improve power if you so desire - NOS, turbo, supercharger, intake, just to name a few,

For $30,000 you have a pretty good package. If you find any deficencies in the power, there is always the aftermarket.

Besides there is about $2500 worth of room to negotiate in.



Magic8

$2500 room to negotiate?
they didn't give me any price drop when i bought the car~
it is like dead solid price~
and the car is going fast here at Vancouver when i bought my car there is only one other RX8 avilable~ when i pick up my car it is sold~
and few days ago i went back to take it in for question on AC( it is really not cold) saw 3 more RX8 all sold! (i only have the car for 3 weeks!)

anyway, it would be few more grands if adding turbo or super..
well i guess i can live with that...

just hope the car could be as it stated... then i can be talking to my frd "look at my car~ not expensive but very stylish and very powerful" and i would be sending ppl to Mazda dealers

You should not be so concerned over the HP issue alone.
If you wer a street racer, drag racer, and tracker then maybe be worried. For everyday fun, just enjoy it and forget about the missing ponies. In the spectrum of things it wont be the big issue later on in the progression of the 8. Plus I agree w/ other members, you will soon be able to upgrade many facets of your 8 with aftermarket components.

Me, I have 288 hp in my other car, but can rarely use them. So having near 200 on my A/T is ok for my type of daily driving and life.

Drive the G35c and you will see.

Anything else is just brain fodder.

Just stop thinking and drive the G35c and all will become clear!

Vince

I've driven the 350Z and the G35 C. Both are very nice cars and they have power. However, nothing gets the head-turning glances of the 8. AND, the interior of the the Nissan products do not even compare to the "Kensei" engineering from Mazda. In the Mazda you feel like you are in a cockpit.

I also second the notion about the power. Granted it would be great for a few more ponies for bragging rights. But my RX-7 is running around 280-290 RWhp and I never get to use it. It is scary fast and could easily put me in jail or in a casket. I do not want that kind of power out of a daily driver.

ONE MORE THING. It seems to me that most people bitching about power are not true rotorheads and they have not experienced rotaries before (especially NA rotaries). The FC RX-7 without turbos was a blast to drive. It was quick and nimble, but NOT FAST !!!!! If people think the RX-8 is a dog, go drive a 91 RX-7 and you will see the difference.

that can only be answered by each individual according their needs and preferences. Some people will say 'No', some will still say that it is underpriced, and some will never be happy no matter what the price is.

that can only be answered by each individual according their needs and preferences. Some people will say 'No', some will still say that it is underpriced, and some will never be happy no matter what the price is.

If you're even asking the question you should probably dump it while you can (Canadians do have the buyback option don't you?). If you have the buyback option you can dump it with no loss, and if you change your mind again you can always rebuy a new one.

Granted I don't have mine yet, but I've driven an 8 on four different occassions, plus I've driven all its competitors, and I think it's definitely worth the money. I actually think they could raise the price by 3-4k and probably sell just as many.

I don't know about anyone else on this board, but this horsepower issue is getting REALLY, REALLY, old. It's got 238hp, not 247, so get over it, that's life. Either sell your car back and buy something else or drop it!!!

I agree with afai,

This is a great looking car. I paid a lot of money under a lot of assumptions. Such as: it will be great looking, it will have good build quality, it will have respectable performance numbers.

It is great looking, but I put too much faith in Mazda on the other two.

The build quality is so-so...mine has developed several rattles already and I've only had it for 5 weeks. I got the first one on the way home from picking it up!

Also, to all of those that say the aftermarket can give us our horsepower back...why in the world should I have to pay more, and possible have warantee issues, to get what I paid for in the first place?

I will miss my car greatly, but no matter what I tell myself, I still paid too much money to not get what I paid for. Hopefully there will be a mazdaspeed in a couple of years after they have worked all of the bugs out.

The answer to your question is easily answered. Compare the prices of similarly equipped cars and look at the MPG too. I just finished hours of mulling through this again thinking about what to do. I came up with the same conclusion I did a month and a half ago - The RX 8 is the best value and it so happens to look the best too.

consider the cars I did:

350 Z
G35 Coupe and sedan
BMW 325 and 330
Acura CL
S2000
EVO

All of these cars are nice but they were either missing something or cost a lot more. I compared them to a GT RX. MPG figures were also not that different either. I would share my notes but it is too long. Now I also know that the RX likes regular 87 octane gas!!!

"Is RX8 worth the amount we paid?"

No. If that's what you wanted to hear.

We all think YES but obviously you are hoping to hear a NO answer, or else you wouldn't have started this thread.

actually i was hoping to hear some YES
Like i said I do love the car...
It is just like wanting your child to be perfect, because you love him soo soo much~

The only close priced competition i could find are the Q35C and the Mercedes C320 Sport Coupe
The RX-8 GT cost me $42K Canadian
The G35C would cost me $48,700 (with the dealer only charging me half the PDI/freight charge) and no color choice but black, or wait 5 months.
The C320 would cost me $44 Grand, but i would have to wait 6 months, and not get half the features, not to mention not nearly the cool factor.

350Z? 10 Grand more
WRX STi? 8 Grand, 6 months
EVO? Not available in Canada, did not pass crash tests, no luxury features, ugly
Audit TT GT? $20 Grand more
Others??

Everything is Negotiable
 

These is room to negotiate. It depends on your mind set. If you are hard set on getting the car now, then negotiation is not likely. There have been people that bought the RX-8 (at least in the U.S.) at $300 over Invoice (not MSRP.) Check this thread out.

http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?threadid=8512

I am going into the dealership next week, with my finance check already in my hands. If I get the price I want, I buy, if not I wait for the MPS RX-8. Heck C&D speculate that the new Skyline GTR (450 HP on a twin turbo 3.5L V-6) within the next two years Yummmy....

Keep in mind this is NOT a special edition or limited edition, i.e. STI.

By the way, I in Winsor right now, visiting family. Damn its cold here and its only September.


Magic8

Hahaha.. talk about an overstatement of the year.. :D

It's hard to answer this question because of how much more unique the 8 is over other piston engine cars. To many people the rotary engine itself is worth the price of admission for this car.

Regarding similar priced competition what about the Acuras, TSX and CL?

I highly doubt you can negotiate in Canada. worth a try I suppose if you are prepared to walk and wait. But with only 700. Dealers are selling to people accross the country.

Re: Is RX8 worth the amount we paid?
 

Sorry, not much sympathy from this group - you bought the auto trans, and there were plenty of discussions here and elsewhere for a long time before anyone took delivery about how performance of the auto version suffered compared to the manual. If you wanted performance in terms of drag racing acceleration, you should have bought the manual trans or something else. Why not enjoy the positive attributes of the car, since there are so many?

Regards,
Gordon

Re: Everything is Negotiable
 

Yes, it IS a limited edition - in Canada, where the original poster is from and where the dealers have no problems selling every one of the only 700 cars being imported this year for full MSRP.

Regards,
Gordon

Realize the original poster is from Canada but didn't realize that Canada only got 700 a year. I apologize.

Looks like you are right, it is limited. Any chance you can sneak into US to buy. I think Mazda was a little over zealous with it's sales projection of 30K a year, but this is discussed in another thread.


Magic8

When I bought the car a month ago I thought it was worth the price, so I bought it. After the problems that have have come up I have changed my thinking. I did not need the hassle. I just wanted a car to be reliable, no problems and just get in it and go.

"lemon law on the horizon"?? Why on earth would you go through that hassle and fight, when you can simply tick the "Please buy it back" box on the letter and return it with absolutely no hassle?

MPG
 

RodsterinFL, I would love to see your notes on MPG for the cars you mentioned. That is turning out to be the biggest issue for me with my long daily commutes.

NO!

30k for a car... you've gotta be nuts.

I'd give you a YEN for it.


Where are those damn yugo dealers when you need em.

Can someone fill me in (possibly direct me to the thread) on how it actually is OK for the 8 to use regular 87 octane gas??

Probably posted in another thread, I've used the 'Search' feature for the topic but it doesn't seem to be very friendly.

Welp, the manual says anything over 87 is fine, although 91 is recomended. once again guys, there's a manual with your car. Say it after me boys and girls.

Mmmmmaaaaannnuaaallll

:D Sorry. I still dont know how you fools havent read the manual from cover to cover 16 times (or so) like I have :)

woo hoo, that's one thing about the rotary I don't like is the gas consumption. Especially with my one-way 47km commute! Now I'll have some savings.

Oh believe me I will if I get the car and I'll read it 17 times through just to spite you :P

what types of rattles have you experienced?
________
VAPIR OXYGEN VAPORIZER

In the Canadian owners manual it says :
Section 4-2:

"You may use a regular unleaded fuel with Octane Rating from 87 to 90, but this will slightly reduce performance.
Fuel with a rating lower than 87 octane (91 RON) could cause the emission control system to lose effectiveness. It could also cause engine knocking and serious engine damage."

It also goes on to say that gasahol up to 10% ethanol is OK, but not more than 10%.

Thanks Can, I actually took some time to find it in the forum. I'm becoming more familiar with it now :) For some reason the search page didn't work too well the first few tries, now it does. Strange.

I don't think you can compare the RSX and the RX8. Completely different cars in every aspect.

RSX-S vs RX-8:

Similar power output
Both handle well
Both light weight
Both 4 passengers
Both look pretty sporty
Both price start under $30k
Both can use more power
Both have above average interior


so...... why not?

Well the RSX is about 10k less and FWD, but a good handler for FWD none the less.

Ike

The original post quoted $46,000 Canadian. That's obviously with taxes, so adjust accordingly (15%?)

I agree with most of the posts here, it is a great value when you compare everything available, and how they're equipped.

BTW I've been asked by all kinds of people how much the car was, when I say $41,000 (Cdn) most can't believe it!

I call on dealers for a living (all makes) and most salespeople / Managers wish they had something like the 8 to sell at that price!

For all you Americans, $41,000 Cdn is about $29,720 at today's exchange rates. That's for a GT 6 spd, Freight, PDI, and all options except Nav.

In Canada the RSX-type S is $31,300, the base RX-8 is $36,700. So they are not that far apart in price. Similar interior size, the 8 might have more room in the rear. And of course the fwd vs rwd.

If price = HP, then rx8 may not worth the money.

If price = HP + handling + style, then rx8 is worth the money.

Damn...Canada sure doesn't get the same deals do they?
Either that or I got a steal on my Z. Cost me $29k out the door which is practically the same price as the U.S. RX8. If they had charged $40k for Z in the U.S. theres no way in hell I would have bought it.

As for this thread, I believe everyone here knows what the 8 has to offer and no one should really give a Sh%$ whether or not others think its worth the money. It should only matter to yourself if it was worth YOUR money.....I have friends that blow their dough on stupid name brand clothes and etc. and I sure as hell dont think its worth it, but its worth it to them and it makes them happy...so if feel like the car is worth YOUR $30k or however much, then who cares if other people don't think its worth it?

Why not? Because the 8 is greater than the sum of it's parts. Most people won't look twice at the RSX, not so with the 8 (high "cool" quotient). Also, as mentioned before (and after), I think it is a great value considering the content of the car, so much so that Mazda may have under-priced it for some nefarious reason. I've owned several Benzes of recent vintage, CLK 320 (wife), CLK 430 (me), SLK, and a bunch more. The 8 has everything and more than my 2000 CLK 430 had. Look at the list of standard equipment for the 8 and then compare it to the others, RSX, 350z G35c, etc. Other than a few more HP, which most likely won't often come into play, I think the 8 beats them, "rotors" down.:cool: As often said on Miata.net, "if you can't drive fast with 90HP, 300HP isn't going to help you."

My dealer charged me Mazda sticker price, plus freight and PDI for a 6MT GT.
Only things I did not get are the roof and the NAV package.
List is $39,995, and with the freight, PDI, tank of gas, etc., they charged me $42,047

I paid an extra $595 for Mazda to extend the waranty to same as USA at 4 years.
Drove it away for $45,648.36 after taxes.

If you are getting charged much more than $42K before taxes find a better dealer.

No, we get better deals on cars than the US. The equivalent-spec RX-8 is a few thousand dollars cheaper here - after you figure the conversion from US to Canadian dollars, or vice versa. You know, of course, that $40K Cdn is less than $29K US, right?

Regards,
Gordon

Umm, the Canadian dollar is not at par with the US dollar!

One Canadian dollar is currently worth $0.7182 US Dollars

Therefore the Canada list price of $39,995 is equivalent to $28,723 in US funds..

Up here a 350Z Track Pack can be had for $50K Canadian, or $35,907 US

just to clear up few reading error of some of u~
the car is 46800 before tax but include PDI
the car is GT with moon roof and NAV
and rear spoiler and some other few little interior stuff in it....

OK, so you must have had about $2300.00 in accessories?

I just hope my insurance company appreciates the lower HP numbers. Honestly, for everday driving could you really feel ~9HP difference? Now, MPG is another issue...

The Canadian list price is $39,995.
Freight varies a bit by location, and I do not know where this person is.
For the sake of comparison, freight, PDI, and all other costs if it is delivered in Alberta runs at about $2,000
Assuming the same for this one there would be about $4,000 or more added to this particular car.

I would speculate it has the moon roof and the NAV package, as those cost about that.
Perhaps more..