Is RX8 worth the amount we paid?
08-30-2003, 02:36 AM
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Is RX8 worth the amount we paid?
Thinking about it now~
RX-8 with only 238HP and auto one 197HP
and I am paying 46000CAN for it is a bit too much...
I have a Auto GT one with nav install..
it just have new and cool looking, more luxry and fancy stuff install. Performance wise it is like in the RSX type-S class.
Well, even type S has more HP then the AUTO RX-8 if i remenber correctly...
Dont be mistaken. I love the car. the way it look, but just when thinking of the performance it is sigh.... dont even want to mention it now....
RX-8 with only 238HP and auto one 197HP
and I am paying 46000CAN for it is a bit too much...
I have a Auto GT one with nav install..
it just have new and cool looking, more luxry and fancy stuff install. Performance wise it is like in the RSX type-S class.
Well, even type S has more HP then the AUTO RX-8 if i remenber correctly...
Dont be mistaken. I love the car. the way it look, but just when thinking of the performance it is sigh.... dont even want to mention it now....
08-30-2003, 02:43 AM
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with enough $ you can make a POS Geo Metro into a drag racing beast or an autoX threat but you can't put a price on STYLE.
Sure pay $ to put crap *** body kits that make a civic look like a Supra or Skyline or what have you but in the end, it's doesn't have any more true style than when it began cuz it will NEVER really be a Supra or Skyline...
If you wanted outright performance you might have purchased the wrong car, but for style NOTHING under $100,000 USD comes close to looking as good as a brand spankin new red RX8.
Sure pay $ to put crap *** body kits that make a civic look like a Supra or Skyline or what have you but in the end, it's doesn't have any more true style than when it began cuz it will NEVER really be a Supra or Skyline...
If you wanted outright performance you might have purchased the wrong car, but for style NOTHING under $100,000 USD comes close to looking as good as a brand spankin new red RX8.
08-30-2003, 03:01 AM
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well i agree with u partly but not totally....
the g35c cost only a bit more but it does have more HP and it doesn't have the difference in HP btw auto and manual...
and the look is very good too... maybe not as young and cool looking as RX8 but it is a very nice car.
well i love the car. Its just like love the car so much want it to be better and faster. Dont want ppl to think it as a car with just style but no performance..
the g35c cost only a bit more but it does have more HP and it doesn't have the difference in HP btw auto and manual...
and the look is very good too... maybe not as young and cool looking as RX8 but it is a very nice car.
well i love the car. Its just like love the car so much want it to be better and faster. Dont want ppl to think it as a car with just style but no performance..
08-30-2003, 03:35 AM
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I look at it this way.
There are several things on the car that can't be changed easily like the drivetrain layout (front - mid engine), transmission, exterior styling, interior styling/layout, and four functional seats.
There are many options to improve power if you so desire - NOS, turbo, supercharger, intake, just to name a few,
For $30,000 you have a pretty good package. If you find any deficencies in the power, there is always the aftermarket.
Besides there is about $2500 worth of room to negotiate in.
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There are several things on the car that can't be changed easily like the drivetrain layout (front - mid engine), transmission, exterior styling, interior styling/layout, and four functional seats.
There are many options to improve power if you so desire - NOS, turbo, supercharger, intake, just to name a few,
For $30,000 you have a pretty good package. If you find any deficencies in the power, there is always the aftermarket.
Besides there is about $2500 worth of room to negotiate in.
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08-30-2003, 03:43 AM
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$2500 room to negotiate?
they didn't give me any price drop when i bought the car~
it is like dead solid price~
and the car is going fast here at Vancouver when i bought my car there is only one other RX8 avilable~ when i pick up my car it is sold~
and few days ago i went back to take it in for question on AC( it is really not cold) saw 3 more RX8 all sold! (i only have the car for 3 weeks!)
anyway, it would be few more grands if adding turbo or super..
well i guess i can live with that...
just hope the car could be as it stated... then i can be talking to my frd "look at my car~ not expensive but very stylish and very powerful" and i would be sending ppl to Mazda dealers
they didn't give me any price drop when i bought the car~
it is like dead solid price~
and the car is going fast here at Vancouver when i bought my car there is only one other RX8 avilable~ when i pick up my car it is sold~
and few days ago i went back to take it in for question on AC( it is really not cold) saw 3 more RX8 all sold! (i only have the car for 3 weeks!)
anyway, it would be few more grands if adding turbo or super..
well i guess i can live with that...
just hope the car could be as it stated... then i can be talking to my frd "look at my car~ not expensive but very stylish and very powerful" and i would be sending ppl to Mazda dealers
08-30-2003, 06:58 AM
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You should not be so concerned over the HP issue alone.
If you wer a street racer, drag racer, and tracker then maybe be worried. For everyday fun, just enjoy it and forget about the missing ponies. In the spectrum of things it wont be the big issue later on in the progression of the 8. Plus I agree w/ other members, you will soon be able to upgrade many facets of your 8 with aftermarket components.
Me, I have 288 hp in my other car, but can rarely use them. So having near 200 on my A/T is ok for my type of daily driving and life.
If you wer a street racer, drag racer, and tracker then maybe be worried. For everyday fun, just enjoy it and forget about the missing ponies. In the spectrum of things it wont be the big issue later on in the progression of the 8. Plus I agree w/ other members, you will soon be able to upgrade many facets of your 8 with aftermarket components.
Me, I have 288 hp in my other car, but can rarely use them. So having near 200 on my A/T is ok for my type of daily driving and life.
08-30-2003, 08:43 AM
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I've driven the 350Z and the G35 C. Both are very nice cars and they have power. However, nothing gets the head-turning glances of the 8. AND, the interior of the the Nissan products do not even compare to the "Kensei" engineering from Mazda. In the Mazda you feel like you are in a cockpit.
I also second the notion about the power. Granted it would be great for a few more ponies for bragging rights. But my RX-7 is running around 280-290 RWhp and I never get to use it. It is scary fast and could easily put me in jail or in a casket. I do not want that kind of power out of a daily driver.
ONE MORE THING. It seems to me that most people bitching about power are not true rotorheads and they have not experienced rotaries before (especially NA rotaries). The FC RX-7 without turbos was a blast to drive. It was quick and nimble, but NOT FAST !!!!! If people think the RX-8 is a dog, go drive a 91 RX-7 and you will see the difference.
I also second the notion about the power. Granted it would be great for a few more ponies for bragging rights. But my RX-7 is running around 280-290 RWhp and I never get to use it. It is scary fast and could easily put me in jail or in a casket. I do not want that kind of power out of a daily driver.
ONE MORE THING. It seems to me that most people bitching about power are not true rotorheads and they have not experienced rotaries before (especially NA rotaries). The FC RX-7 without turbos was a blast to drive. It was quick and nimble, but NOT FAST !!!!! If people think the RX-8 is a dog, go drive a 91 RX-7 and you will see the difference.
08-30-2003, 09:33 AM
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that can only be answered by each individual according their needs and preferences. Some people will say 'No', some will still say that it is underpriced, and some will never be happy no matter what the price is.
08-30-2003, 09:55 AM
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that can only be answered by each individual according their needs and preferences. Some people will say 'No', some will still say that it is underpriced, and some will never be happy no matter what the price is.
08-30-2003, 10:02 AM
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If you're even asking the question you should probably dump it while you can (Canadians do have the buyback option don't you?). If you have the buyback option you can dump it with no loss, and if you change your mind again you can always rebuy a new one.
08-30-2003, 10:25 AM
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Granted I don't have mine yet, but I've driven an 8 on four different occassions, plus I've driven all its competitors, and I think it's definitely worth the money. I actually think they could raise the price by 3-4k and probably sell just as many.
I don't know about anyone else on this board, but this horsepower issue is getting REALLY, REALLY, old. It's got 238hp, not 247, so get over it, that's life. Either sell your car back and buy something else or drop it!!!
I don't know about anyone else on this board, but this horsepower issue is getting REALLY, REALLY, old. It's got 238hp, not 247, so get over it, that's life. Either sell your car back and buy something else or drop it!!!
08-30-2003, 10:28 AM
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I agree with afai,
This is a great looking car. I paid a lot of money under a lot of assumptions. Such as: it will be great looking, it will have good build quality, it will have respectable performance numbers.
It is great looking, but I put too much faith in Mazda on the other two.
The build quality is so-so...mine has developed several rattles already and I've only had it for 5 weeks. I got the first one on the way home from picking it up!
Also, to all of those that say the aftermarket can give us our horsepower back...why in the world should I have to pay more, and possible have warantee issues, to get what I paid for in the first place?
I will miss my car greatly, but no matter what I tell myself, I still paid too much money to not get what I paid for. Hopefully there will be a mazdaspeed in a couple of years after they have worked all of the bugs out.
This is a great looking car. I paid a lot of money under a lot of assumptions. Such as: it will be great looking, it will have good build quality, it will have respectable performance numbers.
It is great looking, but I put too much faith in Mazda on the other two.
The build quality is so-so...mine has developed several rattles already and I've only had it for 5 weeks. I got the first one on the way home from picking it up!
Also, to all of those that say the aftermarket can give us our horsepower back...why in the world should I have to pay more, and possible have warantee issues, to get what I paid for in the first place?
I will miss my car greatly, but no matter what I tell myself, I still paid too much money to not get what I paid for. Hopefully there will be a mazdaspeed in a couple of years after they have worked all of the bugs out.
08-30-2003, 10:28 AM
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The answer to your question is easily answered. Compare the prices of similarly equipped cars and look at the MPG too. I just finished hours of mulling through this again thinking about what to do. I came up with the same conclusion I did a month and a half ago - The RX 8 is the best value and it so happens to look the best too.
consider the cars I did:
350 Z
G35 Coupe and sedan
BMW 325 and 330
Acura CL
S2000
EVO
All of these cars are nice but they were either missing something or cost a lot more. I compared them to a GT RX. MPG figures were also not that different either. I would share my notes but it is too long. Now I also know that the RX likes regular 87 octane gas!!!
consider the cars I did:
350 Z
G35 Coupe and sedan
BMW 325 and 330
Acura CL
S2000
EVO
All of these cars are nice but they were either missing something or cost a lot more. I compared them to a GT RX. MPG figures were also not that different either. I would share my notes but it is too long. Now I also know that the RX likes regular 87 octane gas!!!
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08-30-2003, 11:49 AM
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"Is RX8 worth the amount we paid?"
No. If that's what you wanted to hear.
We all think YES but obviously you are hoping to hear a NO answer, or else you wouldn't have started this thread.
No. If that's what you wanted to hear.
We all think YES but obviously you are hoping to hear a NO answer, or else you wouldn't have started this thread.
08-30-2003, 01:04 PM
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actually i was hoping to hear some YES
Like i said I do love the car...
It is just like wanting your child to be perfect, because you love him soo soo much~
actually i was hoping to hear some YES
Like i said I do love the car...
It is just like wanting your child to be perfect, because you love him soo soo much~
The RX-8 GT cost me $42K Canadian
The G35C would cost me $48,700 (with the dealer only charging me half the PDI/freight charge) and no color choice but black, or wait 5 months.
The C320 would cost me $44 Grand, but i would have to wait 6 months, and not get half the features, not to mention not nearly the cool factor.
350Z? 10 Grand more
WRX STi? 8 Grand, 6 months
EVO? Not available in Canada, did not pass crash tests, no luxury features, ugly
Audit TT GT? $20 Grand more
Others??
08-31-2003, 07:43 AM
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Everything is Negotiable
These is room to negotiate. It depends on your mind set. If you are hard set on getting the car now, then negotiation is not likely. There have been people that bought the RX-8 (at least in the U.S.) at $300 over Invoice (not MSRP.) Check this thread out.
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?threadid=8512
I am going into the dealership next week, with my finance check already in my hands. If I get the price I want, I buy, if not I wait for the MPS RX-8. Heck C&D speculate that the new Skyline GTR (450 HP on a twin turbo 3.5L V-6) within the next two years Yummmy....
Keep in mind this is NOT a special edition or limited edition, i.e. STI.
By the way, I in Winsor right now, visiting family. Damn its cold here and its only September.
Magic8
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?threadid=8512
I am going into the dealership next week, with my finance check already in my hands. If I get the price I want, I buy, if not I wait for the MPS RX-8. Heck C&D speculate that the new Skyline GTR (450 HP on a twin turbo 3.5L V-6) within the next two years Yummmy....
Keep in mind this is NOT a special edition or limited edition, i.e. STI.
By the way, I in Winsor right now, visiting family. Damn its cold here and its only September.
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08-31-2003, 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by sjt
but for style NOTHING under $100,000 USD comes close to looking as good as a brand spankin new red RX8.
but for style NOTHING under $100,000 USD comes close to looking as good as a brand spankin new red RX8.
It's hard to answer this question because of how much more unique the 8 is over other piston engine cars. To many people the rotary engine itself is worth the price of admission for this car.
Regarding similar priced competition what about the Acuras, TSX and CL?
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08-31-2003, 12:24 PM
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I highly doubt you can negotiate in Canada. worth a try I suppose if you are prepared to walk and wait. But with only 700. Dealers are selling to people accross the country.
08-31-2003, 12:59 PM
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but just when thinking of the performance it is sigh
but just when thinking of the performance it is sigh
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08-31-2003, 01:01 PM
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Keep in mind this is NOT a special edition or limited edition, i.e. STI.
Keep in mind this is NOT a special edition or limited edition, i.e. STI.
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08-31-2003, 04:15 PM
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Realize the original poster is from Canada but didn't realize that Canada only got 700 a year. I apologize.
Looks like you are right, it is limited. Any chance you can sneak into US to buy. I think Mazda was a little over zealous with it's sales projection of 30K a year, but this is discussed in another thread.
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Looks like you are right, it is limited. Any chance you can sneak into US to buy. I think Mazda was a little over zealous with it's sales projection of 30K a year, but this is discussed in another thread.
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