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can I then sue you for potentially flushing my car's resale value down the drain??

...my best mpg was 25.7

Farsyde

interesting how the settlement in the Z case is 75000 for a 35000 car. Notice how that is almost 50% the cost of the car. I smell a lawyer rat. Bet this guy was chasing ambulances before he graduated to a whole new level of snake.

You know what would be a good test of MPG, instead of a horrible complex system of ropes, pulleys, and "wiley coyote" tactics, tell the EPA to just drive the car around with a computer in the back seat. Sounds simple enough, right? I mean even 20 years ago the EPA could've figured this out. Am I missing something here?

The 2000 election, please enough already. If you don't like bush, or don't like the job he did, then vote him out. Other wise go have a bag of doritos or do like the other 60% of the population and dont vote. It's that simple. Don't live in the past.

Interesting how my 99 protege still manages to get ~31 MPG when it was only rated to 30 on the highway. The city is a different, and depressing matter, but that's what you get living in the most hills in florida.

nt5k

Would you people rather have seen 14/18 on the sticker and paid a gas guzzler tax?

Elara

Okay, I removed the political stuff. Any more in here and the perpetrators will get warnings.

shelleys_man_06

We must remember that all RX-8's are not built the same. Some may get 12 mpg, others may get 24 mpg. As stated earlier, these are EPA ratings, not Mazda's. Could the EPA have made a mistake? Perhaps? Should we sue over it? No. I am sure that most of us knew of the implications of owning a rotary-powered vehicle. I know I did. There have been many cases in this forum about poor gas mileage, but I don't believe these threads account for all the RX-8 owners. Remember, there are some who are not registered or are unaware of the RX-8 Forum. Who knows? The only 8 owners I know of are you guys . Personally, I average about 23.55 mpg. On a bad week, it's about 17 mpg. Yes, I've had the M Flash, which may account for the additional mpg. I wonder if high fuel consumption is a direct and sole result of PCM tuning. There can be other gremlins to this.

I hope that we don't have to file a class-action lawsuit against Mazda. The RX-8 is a great car, and if this lawsuit does go through, it could spell the end of the rotary engine program, again. Remember the FD3S? All we were to taste was three years. Three years?! That's not even enough for a memory, for most car buyers. I would hate for the RX-8 to follow the same path.

Genom

I love how someone see's 1 thing and thinks they can cash in on it.

Is money really the end all for so many people?

I just drove 404 miles today (all highway, 85MPH+ with the AC on and an ocasional open window) and got *28* MPG.

As mentioned before, if you did a search you wold have seen how most people are getting the expected mpg. Live with it and let it go. Unless the cars start exploding on contact, after a year on the market, I doubt there's gonna be an class action anything against Mazda.

boothguy

Frankly, I find this suggestion nauseating, and a perfect illustration of our "gimme" society. By all means, let's sue everyone in sight if we don't get exactly what we want all of the time. And by all means, sue manufacturers who are trying to offer something a little different to the marketplace. I'm sure we'll all be happier driving the same dervative, boring, soulless cars the rest of the sheep are happy with.

NoPistonsHere

Well I just filled up last night topped off at 15.320
I was using 89 octaine from ARCO and got 335.00 mile
Driving 59-62 on the highway shifting at 2800-3000 RPM
so that is 22 miles to the gallon.

I am done with the Study, I am happy with my 8 and I am not going to SUE anyone.

In fact I was invited to LA Focus's Marketing Study that was at the Anaheim Convention center and gave the rx8 and the s2k high marks, Unfortunately I could not do that for the 350Z. The study was based on looks and comfort, not performance. In the s2k I felt cramped in it but it looks great, seats are comfortable. The 350Z's build quality is OK, seats looked dry though. The look, kinda reminds me of a big heavy sofa that I have to move to an up stairs apartment, so it is kinda tiring. Rx8 was all good, a practical car, curvey, and unique...thats why I own one. :D :D

oh ya, and about France all I can say is "Tour De Lance X6 year's"

The Differential Theory of US Armed Forces (Frog Model) upon encountering a
frog in the Area of Operations (AO)


1. Airborne: Lands on and kills the frog.

2. Armor: Runs over frog, laughs, and looks for more frogs.

3. Ranger: Plays with frog, then eats it.

4. Special Forces: Makes contact with frog, ignores all State Department
directives and Theater Commander Rules of Engagement by building rapport
with the frog and winning its heart and mind. Trains it to kill other
frogs. Files enormous travel settlement upon return.

5. Navy SEAL: Expends all ammunition and calls for naval gunfire support
in failed attempt to kill frog. Frog bites SEAL and retreats to safety.
Hollywood makes fantasy film in which SEALS kill Muslim extremist frogs.

6. F-15 pilot: Misidentifies frog as enemy Gazelle attack helicopter
and engages with missiles. Crew chief paints frog kill on aircraft.

7. HH-53 Jolly Green pilot: Finds frog on fourth pass after frog
builds bonfire, pops smoke, lays out flares to mark Landing Zone. Rotor
wash blows frog into fire.

8. B-52 pilot: Pulls ARCLIGHT mission on frog, kills frog and every
other living thing within two miles of target.

9. Military Police: Handcuffs frogs legs, reads it its
Miranda rights, then proceeds to beat frog to a pulp with night stick.

WVU RX8

If you aren't enjoying your RX8 any more than to be thinking about lawsuits, you should cut your losses and put it up for sale. Unless you have nothing more to do than grumble. And yes, 23-24 mpg is attainable and repeatable on highway trips at 70 mph. Yes, we'd all like to see better mileage based on our expectations on the window sticker. However, there are many pleasures many of us have found that weren't claimed on the window sticker. So, get on with life and sell it if you don't like the total package.

Farsyde

NoPistonsHere, that was hilarious, needed that to get through a late night at work.

JimW

Yeah, what's up with that. I was looking at Car Max's site on used RX8s and they are selling loaded 6 speeds for $26,000. Way under valued. They also are selling loaded autos for a few grand more and advertise them at 238 H.P. I called them and said they were devaluing our 6 speeds and informed them that the autos had 195 H.P. They responded beligerantly and said they can sell the car for as much as they want and that autos sell better and kept on about other fraudulant misleading crap. Can you believe it! I ought to call the attorney Generals office and tell them about the false advertisment. Hey maybe we can all get in on a class action lawsuit for irrepairable mental anguish, destroying the 6 speeds good standing,value, image,ect. Just kidding, but the Car Maxx people were jerks!

ALMOST8IT

Throughts:
1. Drive like a stereotypical grandma and you too can get 20+mpg in the car. EPA and milage tests are not an accurate reflection of milage and aggressive driving.
2. A class action will only benefit the attorney that brings the suit, if it benefits anyone at all.
3. Anyone stupid enough to buy this car thinking they would get good milage didn't do their homework on the car or rotary engines and should pay at the pump for their lack of dilligence before making a purchase costing between $27,000 and $35,000.
4. PRIUS or TDI, you want milage get a PRIUS or a VW TDI.
5. There is a time and circumstance for litigation after all esle fails, but those times and circumstances are rare and this isn't one of them.

marcj1

Hilarious...I needed that!!

Elara

Hate to break this to you, but CarMax doesn't have any loaded 8s for under $27,598 or so, and even those are the ones with high miles. Out of the 22 currently on the lots, 6 are under $26k, and they're all bare bone models. And they're only advertising the autos at 238 because there's no allowance in the system for changing the RX-8's hp- if you go to a store they should tell you the right figure. I will, however, let the internet guys know that they're causing a ruckus on the boards about it, since you seem so very upset. They're not selling that much under invoice, even used.

Senseny

Just my opinion here, but I can't believe anyone would mention lawsuits for any of the problems we have found with our 8's. There are no safety issues that we are noticing (belts, fires, braking system, tires, etc) and a recall (airbag specifically) or two are not something that we should despair over. Squeeky and excessively dusting brakes, sure--but they work incredibly. Hard to acheive the EPA's (not Mazda's) fuel consumption, yes--but mileage seems to get better as the engine gets broken in. All of the other issues may be a pain to individual owners, but none warrant a class-action lawsuit. That should be reserved for safety issues that a manufacturer either ignores or fails to fix.

rackontop

Although it's an EPA rating, it's based on the car's that Mazda supplied for the tests. And these aren't surprise inspections. They use the car's that Mazda provides. I've been averaging about 16 mpg which is way below the EPA rating. I wonder how many other people that have responded to this string have actually calculated their average mpg based on a full tank. I'm averaging about 250 miles, and that's pretty common from what I've heard from others. So 250/15.9 = 15.72. There a big discrepancy between this average and the EPA numbers.

I'm more inclined to believe that Mazda did a bait and switch with the cars. They're the ones with a financial interest in rigging the test, not the EPA. The EPA has zero financial interest in doing so.

BIMMER5&RX8

I am sure if I use the same test EPA is using I can get the 18 to 24 MPG. Please look at other similar threads on how EPA conducts the tests. In my own case, I got 18.5 mixed when the car was new. Now at 4500 miles I am getting 20 MPG with city and highway. No I don't think Mazda submitted different cars to the EPA.

JimW

Don't hate to break the news to me, I don't mind but your right, the $26k RX8s are bare. but 26K is what they are going to give you for a loaded manual. And it seems that of all the comparatively equiped used autos and manuals, the autos are selling for more? As a matter of fact when I called they flat out told me they sell the automatics for more. Do you work for car max? Actually not everyone was a jerk. There was a nice women I talked to about it and informed me she would look into it. And yes I'm mad as to why the used auto's seem to be selling for more especially when I paid more for a similarly equiped manual that was new. The advertised 238 H.P for the auto they errantly advertised was the reason I thought for the inflated autos prices. Sounds like typical car dealership tricks to me. They need to change the H.P. rating on the auto they are advertising to what it is, 195 H.P.

Elara

Yeah, I do, and if they were jerks to you (which happens quite a bit- the stores suck a lot of the time) call Corporate and let Customer Relations know. They're jerks to us too a lot, but we can't do anything about them. I didn't mean to come off as harsh as I did- I'm really not a CarMax cheerleader(Have you ever seen a CarMax commercial?? I get stuck WRITING those pieces of crap!!). Sorry about that. But yes, I agree they're only going to give you $26k for a loaded 8 if you sell it to them.

I did go talk to the internet bug person, and he said that it is actually the fault of the company that provides us with car specs- it apparently happens a lot. But he agreed that 40 hp was a big deal, and he'd see what he could do.

JimW

Elara, no need to apologize. I didn't take it as a harsh reply, I made a mistake saying loaded RX8's for 26k and you corrected me, that's fine. I appreciate you talking to the internet people at Car Max. You seem to be a very sincere person. Thank You and take care.

TALAN7

Now that the word is out that the RX-8 gets bad gas mileage I think the cars resale just dropped a little.

ALMOST8IT

Wait till the word gets out that you actually have to check the oil on the car. I have a co-worker that was hot for the 8 until he found out you actually need to check the oil. While I have no problem with this and always routinely checked the oil on every car I have owned, many car drivers don't and won't. It will be interesting to see if the car gets a less than stellar reputation for break downs due to inattentive or negligent owners.

zoom44

a. that is NOT the correct way to calculate your gas mileage. anyone who does it that way will get incorrect numbers that are below what they actually got. you have to divide the miles by the amount of fuel USED. which is the amount you fill with when you refuel. usually on this car it is somewhere @13.5 galons for most people. 250/13.5= 18.51 so by your miles you are right on the epa numbers. congrats!

b. sorry, if mazda did that they would be out of business in the U.S.. there is NO incentive to loose the company over something like that.

Kurt Bob

I'm one of the 80% that is very satisfied with my car. I always get 20-24 mpg on mixed city and highway driving. During the one track weekend that I drove, I still got about 13 mpg. What that tells me is that if you rev up the engine quite frequently in regular driving, you are not going to get great mileage. Use the power sparingly or don't complain. Every time I choose to hit 9K rpm, I know I will pay for it.

In daily driving I get the exact same gas mileage as I did with the 2nd gen RX-7 I replaced, I have 100 more horsepower and I can carry 2 more people. What's not to like!!! :D

DAC17

Rant on.

This whole F-ing thing with trial lawyers is getting so far out of control...

Who do you think pays for these nuisance suits? Right...you and me. Not a separate line item on the price tag of anything but, rest assured, it's in there. Maybe this country has bigger internal problems than the terrorists can give us. The whole legal system is so ingrained into our thinking, especially our kids. I hate to think what the country will look like in twenty years when all the industry we have left is to sue each other for every perceived fault that we can find.

Rant off.