RX-8 vs. 350Z in the real world
06-10-2006, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
IN THE REAL WORLD , do you go racing around corners at 40 mph with your r compounds?
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Just got back from having my car detailed, and yes, I was taking some turns with my R compounds. HOwever, I am sponsored by Toyo, so I will be chewing them up.
06-10-2006, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Section 8
I know when someone is racing me and when they are not. I'll conceed that maybe the Z driver didn't know how to hold a fast turn, but that still doesn't change my opinion after driving the Z that it is a boat, and 200 lbs is a LOT of weight when comparing cars designed to handle well, and go fast.
And the 8 does well in turns because it has a lower center of gravity, a better suspension, and LESS WEIGHT than the Z. THOSE are the reasons it can maintain higher corner entry and exit speeds.
And the 8 does well in turns because it has a lower center of gravity, a better suspension, and LESS WEIGHT than the Z. THOSE are the reasons it can maintain higher corner entry and exit speeds.
06-10-2006, 01:29 PM
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I love how people's little street racing stories get overlooked by mods when they involve a turn. It's especially comical considering driving hard around turns and racing others through a turn on the streets is many times more idiotic than any stoplight race or highway pull. They don't even let people race in turns on trackdays on a real racetrack, there's a good reason for that...
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06-10-2006, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Section 8
Until there is a turn involved. The 350z is a boat. I had one rev at me at a LEFT TURN light yesterday and i let him get a head of me at the start then i just layed into it through the turn and demolished him.
I dunno about that...my friend owns a Z, and I tried chasing him around for a bit. We both took a 90 degree right turn onto a two lane road, with both of us aiming for the outter lane. He went through without a single squeal of his stock Potenza tires and made it look effortless, while I with Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3s had to go through squealing tires and everything to keep up with him. And I felt I was nearing the point where the car was going to lose it and slip up...our corner entry speed was probably close to 30 mph. I know I was starting to think "holy sh*t is he actually going to go in that fast??? as I watched him approach the turn. Whoever drove that Z you followed just probably wasn't driving it right...I know I had a tough time following my friend through corners and curves. Driven properly I have no doubt I'd never be able to keep up with my friend in the twisties given it's handling + power.
06-10-2006, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Vertigo-1
I dunno about that...my friend owns a Z, and I tried chasing him around for a bit. We both took a 90 degree right turn onto a two lane road, with both of us aiming for the outter lane. He went through without a single squeal of his stock Potenza tires and made it look effortless, while I with Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3s had to go through squealing tires and everything to keep up with him. And I felt I was nearing the point where the car was going to lose it and slip up...our corner entry speed was probably close to 30 mph. I know I was starting to think "holy sh*t is he actually going to go in that fast??? as I watched him approach the turn. Whoever drove that Z you followed just probably wasn't driving it right...I know I had a tough time following my friend through corners and curves. Driven properly I have no doubt I'd never be able to keep up with my friend in the twisties given it's handling + power.
Having said that, I can guarantee that you look thousands of times better in your 8 than you friend does in his Z.
06-10-2006, 10:02 PM
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Oh please, big deal. Lemme get this straight - a car revved at you at a left turn, you let him get ahead, and then you burned him. Big deal - you did a ricer fly-by at 20 mph. I guess that's a challenge for some....
Trust me, if you race from a dig, turn or no turn, the Z wins. The 8 does well in the twisties because it can keep higher entry speeds, therefore allowing it to have a good exit speed without having to do as much work as a worse handling car. A zero mph entry speed (that means from a stop) forces the 8 to do more work than it possibly can in order to reach the same exit speed as a faster accelerating car. In other words, that Z wasn't racing you, and you proved nothing other than you think a ricer fly-by at 20 mph means something.
The Z is not a boat - it's curb weight is roughly 200 lbs more than the 8.
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Trust me, if you race from a dig, turn or no turn, the Z wins. The 8 does well in the twisties because it can keep higher entry speeds, therefore allowing it to have a good exit speed without having to do as much work as a worse handling car. A zero mph entry speed (that means from a stop) forces the 8 to do more work than it possibly can in order to reach the same exit speed as a faster accelerating car. In other words, that Z wasn't racing you, and you proved nothing other than you think a ricer fly-by at 20 mph means something.
The Z is not a boat - it's curb weight is roughly 200 lbs more than the 8.
-djb
350z - 3345 lbs
350Z roadster - 3640 lbs
RX-8 GT - 3085 lbs
RX-8 - 2990 lbs
The Z is at best 260 lbs heavier and at worst 650 lbs heavier then a RX. This is a lot of weight especially for a sports car.
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06-10-2006, 10:52 PM
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The Z is a roadster and when compared to roadsters it's middle of the road. A more fair comparison is the Miata. Either way, both the 8 and Miata are better overall than the Z. The coke / pepsi analogy doesn't fit here because you are not getting more for your money by picking either one where as with the 8 or Miata you are.
06-10-2006, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Raptor75
I do agree with you but here are the curb weights.
350z - 3345 lbs
350Z roadster - 3640 lbs
RX-8 GT - 3085 lbs
RX-8 - 2990 lbs
The Z is at best 260 lbs heavier and at worst 650 lbs heavier then a RX. This is a lot of weight especially for a sports car.
350z - 3345 lbs
350Z roadster - 3640 lbs
RX-8 GT - 3085 lbs
RX-8 - 2990 lbs
The Z is at best 260 lbs heavier and at worst 650 lbs heavier then a RX. This is a lot of weight especially for a sports car.
A 2003 Base 350Z weighs in at 3188 lbs, which is only about 100 lbs more than the 8. Each successive year, they've gotten heavier, and of course the Roadster is inherently heavier. That's the reason I wrote "roughly 200 lbs" in my previous post - ricer fly-by boy never mentioned what year or whether it was a coupe or roadster, but I think we can assume it wasn't a Roadster. If you average out the years weights, then it's roughly 200 lbs heavier than the 8.
I agree that the Z is a heavy for a sports car, but where is the line of demarcation between "boat" and "not a boat?" Is it a boat at 3300 lbs, but not 3000 lbs? Is the 8 not a boat at 3100 lbs? Would either car be considered a boat if compared to a Lotus Elise?
Using your numbers, an 8 makes about 1 HP per 13 lbs, while the Z coupe makes about 1 HP per 11 lbs (assuming 2006 listings for HP).
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06-10-2006, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tjbourgoyne
The Z is a roadster and when compared to roadsters it's middle of the road. A more fair comparison is the Miata. Either way, both the 8 and Miata are better overall than the Z. The coke / pepsi analogy doesn't fit here because you are not getting more for your money by picking either one where as with the 8 or Miata you are.
Can you provide some facts to back up your claim that the Z is a middle of the road roadster? Can you provide some facts to back up your claim that you get more for your money with either the 8 or the Miata? Note that I said FACTS. The only FACT is that your statements reflect an OPINION, thus proving my statement again that threads such as this are pointless.
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06-10-2006, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Section 8
I know when someone is racing me and when they are not. I'll conceed that maybe the Z driver didn't know how to hold a fast turn, but that still doesn't change my opinion after driving the Z that it is a boat, and 200 lbs is a LOT of weight when comparing cars designed to handle well, and go fast.
And the 8 does well in turns because it has a lower center of gravity, a better suspension, and LESS WEIGHT than the Z. THOSE are the reasons it can maintain higher corner entry and exit speeds.
And the 8 does well in turns because it has a lower center of gravity, a better suspension, and LESS WEIGHT than the Z. THOSE are the reasons it can maintain higher corner entry and exit speeds.
You've explained why the 8 can MAINTAIN high entry and exit speeds - now explain how the 8 MAKES a high exit speed from a standstill and how it can do it better than a car everyone knows accelerates quicker than the 8.
-djb
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