RussellP

Sure, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But anybody who beholds an eye believe Liza Minelli is sexy? Do any of them believe Rosanne Bar has a nice ***?

No.

Nor does anybody believe the STi is a decent looking car.

Bigcat44

Yeah that comment apprarently did go over my had..my bad. As for Ike and your comments, I have had more intellectual conversations with a child than you have expressed within your posts. So Ike I will be the mature one here, while I personally would not buy a Subaru, the numbers they produce are impressive. I also actually like the Evo but my choice (and it's obviously different then anyone else's) is my 8. I don't appreciate people insulting the 8 if they don't own one because of what they hear. I base my opinions on just that (my opinions) not things I read or hear. If that were the case based on the negative stuff I read on this board I would probably not have gotten my 8 and missed out on a great car. Case closed.

Quick_lude

DO'H! Instert a smiley next time! :p

Ike

That's funny, considering I didn't insult the 8, but you managed to insult the STi and all Subarus several times. FYI, saying one car is faster than the other does not mean I'm insulting the slower car, nor does saying good things about another car besides the 8.

Xyntax

:D This is crazy. I wanted the readers to post something to discourage me from getting the STi over the RX-8 and clearly specified that the RX-8 does look a lot better than the STi but not enough to win me over as RX-8 does have impractical results in it (ie. low power for a gas-hog).

I am not a poseur and I do not need to attract attention from people. I would also like to add how sad it is that most people base their decisions at how to get other people's attention. What are you, pale, fat and lonely? Here are tips: Make a friend, go streaking, kill a celebrity or be one!

Anyways, I appreciate Ike's valuable feedback on the issue and that most of his points are acceptable. As for those arguing how good-looking the RX-8 is and STi looks ugly, give it up coz you're beating a dead dog as far as I'm concerned.

Here's my take:
- 8 wins the interior
- STi wins the quality reputation
- 8 wins the looks :o
- STi wins the performance
- 8 wins the standard package
- STi wins the $30K-worthiness
- STi wins the gas mileage

I have always been a rotary fan. In fact, I have done my own research on concept and theory development for the rotary. But as for getting the RX-8, the impractical result (stated above) just makes it look like a "poseur's car". Sorry RX-8 fans

RotaryStalker

Ummm, some people don't like to climb into and drive a car they consider ugly.. It's not always about trying to atract attention or compensate for a small pecker...

RotaryStalker

Xyntax

You are right. It's funny about what you said "or compensate for a small pecker..." I always think of SUV or truck buyers that way.

Psylence

Don't want to attract attention? Don't get an STi then.

Can you say.... theft magnet?

Real scientific analysis there too. Good thing I'm too much of a "poseur" to care :p

Bigcat44

You can always buy a 1978 Chevy Malibu Classic!!

hey just a thought as that was my first car. Sorry about your not wanting to own an 8 or whatever your decision may be, hope you find what you are looking for.

Ike

What makes you think theft on an STi will be any higher than the RX-8?

Bigcat, I'm still waiting for you to show me where I insulted the 8 in this post.

Xyntax

That doesn't make sense kid. That's just your opinion. If you look at real statistics, Subaru barely makes the top 10 of most stolen car. I already drive a theft magnet, a Camry Solara (only #1 or #2 every year), but so far I don't park in notorious places.

Now the RX-8? I'm not sure, but I think the gorgeous looks might make it to the top 10 of most stolen cars. Don't take my word for it, we'll see in the coming years

Ike

Cars that get stolen are cars that have a large demand for parts, the RX-8 nor any Subarus are cars that will fit into that category. Hondas, Toyotas, and if I remember correctly Ford pickups are some of the most stolen.

Bigcat44

Yeah I agree with IKE on this one, The main reason for theft is the demand for the parts of those cars... Honda Accords, Toyota Camrys, not so much because of how they look and drive but more so there are so many of them sold yearly that they need parts to repair them. The other reason they get stolen is ease of theft, the old Chevy's used to be some of the simplest cars to steal. I did a term paper on Car Theft almost a decade ago and you'd be surprised to learn there are Insurance companies that buy parts from chop shops..errr Salvage yards by placing orders for parts and then others get delegated to go out and ummmm...."find the parts". I don't think the Mazda or the Subaru is that high on any theft list .

Ike

Top 25 most stolen vehicles in 2002

1 1989 Toyota Camry
2 1991 Toyota Camry
3 1990 Toyota Camry
4 2000 Honda Civic SI
5 1994 Honda Accord EX
6 1994 Chevrolet C1500 4X2
7 1995 Honda Accord EX
8 1988 Toyota CAMRY
9 1994 Honda Accord LX
10 1996 Honda Accord LX
11 1997 Ford F150 4X2
12 1996 Honda Accord EX
13 2001 Ford F150 4X2
14 1995 Honda Civic EX
15 1991 Honda Accord LX
16 1999 Honda Civic SI
17 1990 Honda Accord EX
18 1995 Honda Accord LX
19 1992 Honda Accord LX
20 1995 Acura Integra GS-R
21 1997 Honda Accord LX
22 1997 Chevrolet C1500 4X2
23 1995 Honda Civic DX
24 1992 Honda Accord EX
25 1987 Toyota Camry


2002 overall top 10

Toyota Camry
Honda Accord
Honda Civic
Oldsmobile Cutlass
Jeep Cherokee/Grand Cherokee
Chevrolet Full-SizeC/K pickup
Toyota Corolla
Ford Taurus
Chevrolet Caprice
Ford F150 pickup

Psylence

Yeah no freakin ****.. we are all familiar with the top 10 most stolen cars...

Some people steal to joyride, they dont steal camrys. Also, certain cars are, more importantly, frequent targets of vandalism. From what I've heard on Subaru boards.. STi has a big target on it. But hey, guess it depends what kind of neighborhood you live in.

Kid? jackass.... :p

RussellP

yeah i had to key up an STi parked my my street yesterday. No matter how deep the scratch, it wouldnt get any uglier.

Ike

Actually, did you mean everyone on this thread besides yourself? Because you presented a bold statement as fact that is nothing but you making something up. I've seen some reports that RX-8s have been keyed, so I suppose that means they are targets as well, do you have some real scientific analysis to back this claim up as well? You, Bigcat, and Russell are shining examples of people that should read and not post. By the way Bigcat, I'm still waiting.

Bigcat44

"You, Bigcat, and Russell are shining examples of people that should read and not post. By the way Bigcat, I'm still waiting."

Thought we cleared this up? I agreed with you in the previous post though I don't feel you are the authority figure on what I should and shouldn't post. And what are you waiting for? Am I missing something here?

Ike

I asked you to show me where I insulted the 8 in the thread, you were complaining about others insulting the 8 when for the most part the only people insulting cars here are the RX-8 owners.

Bigcat44

OK after scanning through this entire thread I must admit that you never out right said the 8 is a pos, though you did make a reference to the 8 not being a fast car. That I would have to say while the STi is in your opinion a fast car so is the 8 in mine. So we are done with that, fair? fair. Also I noticed someone brought up the GTRs those cars are simply amazing. I left Japan in 2000 and I think the 99s were the R33s and they were just amazing. Too bad Nissan and Inifinite couldn't make that twin turbo race spec car here. Most of the Americans I knew owned the GTS-t the single turbos rear wheel and they were good but I think Toyota used to make the Starlet a little hatchback looking car that could smoke the bigger Nissans (Skylines and Cefiros) in a light to light race, I've got some good home video of the races, a couple races with a Toyota Aristo (lexus gs series) only they were twin turbos in Japan, ahhhhh I miss the orient

Ike

Word is for the MY05 there will be a R35 GTR introduced in the US, it has been confirmed by Nissan. It's going to resemble a G35 with the Signature round tailights. Most of the really fast R33 and R34s are single turbo swaps and when tuned properly there is very little that can take one with the exception of a single Turbo Supra, some American muscle, or a smaller car with an engine swap. My love for the GTRs has a lot to do with why I love the WRX, STi, and the EVO. AWD, big horsepower, turbos, and nothing overly flashy as far as curves go. Basicly sedan style bodies with some flared fenders and tons of grip, also very very tuneable cars.

Here's a pic of the R35 concept, hopefully they make it look a little better before release but if it's performance is anything like the R34 it could be a cardboard box for a cockpit and I'd want one.

Ike

Another

Bigcat44

I don't know if I like the look of it yet. I guess it will have to grow on me. The one thing I liked about Japan car shops is they do anything and everything to a car. The body work was real popular, they flared the fenders on everything as the latest craze when I was there was the VIP car look. I local national friend of mine that I used to ride with bought a GTR R34 right out of the Nissan Showroom with the Nismo (I'm not sure if it was a rally kit) Paint and mods. That car was so amazing but aside from street racing, not much use. On Okinawa the speed limit is 60km on most of the roads and 80km on the one small highway. For mainland Japan I could see the use. I wish I could have bought one and brought one back. There was an importer that most American service members would use and when I was getting ready to come back, I brought my car to the shipping yard after having paid the importer in the states and the shipping yard refused the car. Apparently the importers were just doing a paperwork shuffle getting the cars in illegally and the Armed Forces didn't want to associate with them. So I had 15 days left on island to sell my car. If I can go back (which I am trying to do) I will get one and ship it back immediately and just pay some outragious price to do a legal import.

Ike

Mustang guys isn't going to know what the hell it is. While with the new propesed bodystyle even if you know nothing about the car the looks alone lead on that something might but up under the hood. I'll be suprised if that frontend goes into production, we'll probably know real soon.

Ike

mikeb

I think the skyline would be great in US

but those pics are ugly IMO
especially the front damn