RX-8 or STi ?
10-20-2003, 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by Bigcat44
Ike,
Quick question..where have you read that Subaru has better reliability then Mazda? I only ask because that is the biggest BS I've heard this week. It's great that you like your car, I like my car but I am not all over your board posting how ugly your car is or how your car is slightly faster than mine (off the showroom floor). Give it time my friend and you will see what the 8 is capable of. Until that time take your P.O.S Subaru and post on your own board. Besides don't you have to watch Fast and Furious 1 and 2?
Ike,
Quick question..where have you read that Subaru has better reliability then Mazda? I only ask because that is the biggest BS I've heard this week. It's great that you like your car, I like my car but I am not all over your board posting how ugly your car is or how your car is slightly faster than mine (off the showroom floor). Give it time my friend and you will see what the 8 is capable of. Until that time take your P.O.S Subaru and post on your own board. Besides don't you have to watch Fast and Furious 1 and 2?
JD Power (only slightly better), Consumer Reports (much better)... In addition to good reliability they are among the safest cars in the industry. Before someone else brings it up there is also a reliability poll from an insurance company in the UK that places Subaru low (I think I'll trust other sources). That's a constructive 10 posts you've had, your fallacy laced arguments and petty insults only make your stance on things less credible.
10-20-2003, 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
JD Power (only slightly better), Consumer Reports (much better)... In addition to good reliability they are among the safest cars in the industry. Before someone else brings it up there is also a reliability poll from an insurance company in the UK that places Subaru low (I think I'll trust other sources). That's a constructive 10 posts you've had, your fallacy laced arguments and petty insults only make your stance on things less credible.
JD Power (only slightly better), Consumer Reports (much better)... In addition to good reliability they are among the safest cars in the industry. Before someone else brings it up there is also a reliability poll from an insurance company in the UK that places Subaru low (I think I'll trust other sources). That's a constructive 10 posts you've had, your fallacy laced arguments and petty insults only make your stance on things less credible.
10-20-2003, 07:24 PM
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And here is your comparison from Edmunds:
Mazda
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/mazd....num1.1.mazda*
Subaru
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/suba...num4.1.subaru*
Editors rating shows Mazda 8.2 to Subaru 8.1 Sorry this was just a quick search on Edmunds and I can continue to gather more info it you'd like? Also this is coming from a car that is brand new and can go up over time being reliable...
Mazda
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/mazd....num1.1.mazda*
Subaru
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/suba...num4.1.subaru*
Editors rating shows Mazda 8.2 to Subaru 8.1 Sorry this was just a quick search on Edmunds and I can continue to gather more info it you'd like? Also this is coming from a car that is brand new and can go up over time being reliable...
10-20-2003, 07:32 PM
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"but in the race for compact ultrasport sedan supremacy, the STi comes in a shade behind the more precise (and cheaper) Evolution."
"Cons
Handling not quite as sharp as Evolution's, vague gearshifter, audio system is a pricey option."
-Edmunds
"Cons
Handling not quite as sharp as Evolution's, vague gearshifter, audio system is a pricey option."
-Edmunds
10-20-2003, 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by Bigcat44
So you are saying that Consumer Reports rated the Subaru WRX more relaible then the Mazda RX8? You are sadly mistaken little guy. And my "10" posts have been very credible considering I own a Mazda RX8, as opposed to you owning a..(snicker) Subaru, don't they make a 4 wheel drive station wagon? You drive a turbo charged Grocery Getter. As for my insults towards you and my "fallacy laced arguments" funny how anything or anyone that contradicts what you have to say seems to be deemed "less credible" by you the governing body that drives a Subaru? I don't think so, again post on your own site and leave us happy RX owners alone.
So you are saying that Consumer Reports rated the Subaru WRX more relaible then the Mazda RX8? You are sadly mistaken little guy. And my "10" posts have been very credible considering I own a Mazda RX8, as opposed to you owning a..(snicker) Subaru, don't they make a 4 wheel drive station wagon? You drive a turbo charged Grocery Getter. As for my insults towards you and my "fallacy laced arguments" funny how anything or anyone that contradicts what you have to say seems to be deemed "less credible" by you the governing body that drives a Subaru? I don't think so, again post on your own site and leave us happy RX owners alone.
RussellP, I don't recall anyone discussing the EVO, it's a great car that has slightly better handling that the STi. The STi is also less stiff and a better daily driver in addition to having more get up and go. I rather like not having to pay a premium for a lousy factory stereo so I can just get my own. If you want to play the stupid magazine game... C&D Lows: "No mid range grunt", "bulbous profile","the RX-8 was the slowest around the racetrack", "the same goes for the ride, which is perhaps the hardest and loudest of this group". C&D loved the car, but it's not like it's perfect and neither is the STi or the EVO.
You also keep using these stupid sources for your info, Edmunds.... give me a break. They can't even get the MSRP correct. You keep insisting the RX-8 is better, I'm saying they're different, and you give me some stupid web site where people vote on how much they like their car and can get all kinds of misinformation.
Ike
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10-20-2003, 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by mikeb
looks like bigcat has a point IKE
looks like bigcat has a point IKE
10-20-2003, 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by mikeb
I lied IKE
I want to read your posts so I can clean up your mistakes and watch others attack you.
I lied IKE
I want to read your posts so I can clean up your mistakes and watch others attack you.
Honestly Mike, I'm just giving you a hard time, I have no problem with you. By the way I haven't seen any mistakes yet, have you?
10-20-2003, 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by RussellP
I can picture your bedroom covered in pictures of paul walker and vin diesel
I can picture your bedroom covered in pictures of paul walker and vin diesel
10-20-2003, 11:20 PM
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Re: re
Originally posted by MPester
If I am in the market for the sti, I would get the EVO instead, the better competitor in every category.
If I am in the market for the sti, I would get the EVO instead, the better competitor in every category.
Subarus as a whole also tend to be more reliable than Mitsubishis and the EVOs are already having lots of problems with their 5MT while Subaru seems to have found a great and more reliable fit with it's 6MT. They are both great cars but it's hard to say the EVO is better in every category, because it simply isn't. EVO gets the slight edge in price, the slalom, and on the track. The STi gets the edge in acceleration, better reliability history, and better interior.
10-20-2003, 11:55 PM
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on the reliability issue.. as subaru as a WHOLE.. I've got a '94 1.8L Impreza which i drive hard as humanly possible EVERYDAY up and down the freeway. this car has been in the family since 1994, brand new and so far the only thing that has gone wrong with it (besides the crap that wears out quickly, brakes and the like) is the timing belt. Its supposed to be changed ever 60k miles, but it lasted almost 200k miles. Wierd. hmm, and my cousin has a 02 WRX, bought it brand new. almsot 150k on it already. not ONE problem, and he drives its harder then i do mine. He has a significant amount of mods on his car (320whp woopee :D) and his tranny is just fine.. no engine problems.. nothing. Dont get me wrong, i love the RX-8 yo death tho :D.
Ok oops, football caught my attention and forgot what i was going to say.. take the above for what it is, i guess. Hehe.
Ok oops, football caught my attention and forgot what i was going to say.. take the above for what it is, i guess. Hehe.
10-21-2003, 05:57 AM
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Originally posted by Bigcat44
And here is your comparison from Edmunds:
Mazda
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/mazd....num1.1.mazda*
Subaru
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/suba...num4.1.subaru*
Editors rating shows Mazda 8.2 to Subaru 8.1 Sorry this was just a quick search on Edmunds and I can continue to gather more info it you'd like? Also this is coming from a car that is brand new and can go up over time being reliable...
And here is your comparison from Edmunds:
Mazda
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/mazd....num1.1.mazda*
Subaru
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/suba...num4.1.subaru*
Editors rating shows Mazda 8.2 to Subaru 8.1 Sorry this was just a quick search on Edmunds and I can continue to gather more info it you'd like? Also this is coming from a car that is brand new and can go up over time being reliable...
That is not reliability rating right? I don't think you will get any RX8 reliably ratings since the car just came out.
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Originally posted by RussellP
STi is a turbocharged rent-a-car. Its just not a cool car, i dont care how fast it is. Nobody looks at an STi and thinks "wow thats cool" they think "why does that budget rent-a-car have a spoiler and look all retarded?"
STi is a turbocharged rent-a-car. Its just not a cool car, i dont care how fast it is. Nobody looks at an STi and thinks "wow thats cool" they think "why does that budget rent-a-car have a spoiler and look all retarded?"
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True, regarding the reliablity reports not coming out soon. As for the comparison between the wrx and the evo I would go with the evo hands down as having lived in Japan for 5 years I got to see and drive the evos they had there for quite a while. I now..thanks to Ike hate the wrx adn everything Subaru makes. and one more thing about the Grocery Getter out accelerating the RX8???? Good again I am very content with the power delivery of my 8 and if I wanted to race I would just get the superbike out of the garage...shoot if I bought a car for straight line or light to light racing why would I waste it on a Subaru? I would buy American Muscle for sure. Remember Ike people will only see your ignorance when you open your mouth or in this case post some dumbass comment about a (Walker /Diesel) wannabe car.
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Re: Re: re
Originally posted by IkeWRX
The EVO is stiffer and a more harsh ride, it also doesn't have the grunt of the STi and the STi interior is nicer IMO. The EVO will edge it out on a roadcourse with a first time driver since the EVO is a little easier to drive fast and has a little bit better suspension.
Subarus as a whole also tend to be more reliable than Mitsubishis and the EVOs are already having lots of problems with their 5MT while Subaru seems to have found a great and more reliable fit with it's 6MT. They are both great cars but it's hard to say the EVO is better in every category, because it simply isn't. EVO gets the slight edge in price, the slalom, and on the track. The STi gets the edge in acceleration, better reliability history, and better interior.
The EVO is stiffer and a more harsh ride, it also doesn't have the grunt of the STi and the STi interior is nicer IMO. The EVO will edge it out on a roadcourse with a first time driver since the EVO is a little easier to drive fast and has a little bit better suspension.
Subarus as a whole also tend to be more reliable than Mitsubishis and the EVOs are already having lots of problems with their 5MT while Subaru seems to have found a great and more reliable fit with it's 6MT. They are both great cars but it's hard to say the EVO is better in every category, because it simply isn't. EVO gets the slight edge in price, the slalom, and on the track. The STi gets the edge in acceleration, better reliability history, and better interior.
Arguing with some of these guys here is truly pointless. With comments like "its fugly", their maturity and breadth of knowledge lacking to say the least. These guys are the exception on the board as the majority of posters are informative and interesting. That's why I'm on this board and I suspect its a reason you are here as well.
Of course, I have to comment on your EVO - STI comparison as an unbiased EVO owner. :p The only problems EVOs have had is the clutch. It seems that most of the prematurely worn out clutches have been with guys who have drag-raced a lot (something the WRX guys are probobly familar with since I think they had similar problems). The clutch may be a tad weak, but putting in a steel clutch line or just going with an aftermarket clutch has fixed any of those weaknesses in the stock car.
The only other thing I've noticed from other owners is that the paint is cheap. Rock chips and dings are quite common.
The Engine and the 5 speed transmission is solid and proven. In stock form, its damn near impossible to overheat the engine (unlike some STIs detonation issues, though I think that is more likely on California's crappy low-octane gas). The engine is extremely modifiable. For less than $2,000 an ECU reflash/Piggyback System and a Catback Exhaust System will add at least 50HP at the wheels. The 5 Speed has been around for a long time and other than harmless noises, its solid.
BTW..I went with my buddy to buy a WRX this weekend (he couldn't drive stick well so I had to drive it home for him and teach him how to drive it). He got a nice silver one with the short throw shifter and it was very nice. That is a very worthwhile option vs. the stock gearbox. There seems to be a lot of STIs (which look nice BTW) at he dealers, was there a recent allocation?
10-21-2003, 02:55 PM
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Re: Re: Re: re
Originally posted by revhappy
Ike,
Arguing with some of these guys here is truly pointless. With comments like "its fugly", their maturity and breadth of knowledge lacking to say the least. These guys are the exception on the board as the majority of posters are informative and interesting. That's why I'm on this board and I suspect its a reason you are here as well.
Of course, I have to comment on your EVO - STI comparison as an unbiased EVO owner. :p The only problems EVOs have had is the clutch. It seems that most of the prematurely worn out clutches have been with guys who have drag-raced a lot (something the WRX guys are probobly familar with since I think they had similar problems). The clutch may be a tad weak, but putting in a steel clutch line or just going with an aftermarket clutch has fixed any of those weaknesses in the stock car.
The only other thing I've noticed from other owners is that the paint is cheap. Rock chips and dings are quite common.
The Engine and the 5 speed transmission is solid and proven. In stock form, its damn near impossible to overheat the engine (unlike some STIs detonation issues, though I think that is more likely on California's crappy low-octane gas). The engine is extremely modifiable. For less than $2,000 an ECU reflash/Piggyback System and a Catback Exhaust System will add at least 50HP at the wheels. The 5 Speed has been around for a long time and other than harmless noises, its solid.
BTW..I went with my buddy to buy a WRX this weekend (he couldn't drive stick well so I had to drive it home for him and teach him how to drive it). He got a nice silver one with the short throw shifter and it was very nice. That is a very worthwhile option vs. the stock gearbox. There seems to be a lot of STIs (which look nice BTW) at he dealers, was there a recent allocation?
Ike,
Arguing with some of these guys here is truly pointless. With comments like "its fugly", their maturity and breadth of knowledge lacking to say the least. These guys are the exception on the board as the majority of posters are informative and interesting. That's why I'm on this board and I suspect its a reason you are here as well.
Of course, I have to comment on your EVO - STI comparison as an unbiased EVO owner. :p The only problems EVOs have had is the clutch. It seems that most of the prematurely worn out clutches have been with guys who have drag-raced a lot (something the WRX guys are probobly familar with since I think they had similar problems). The clutch may be a tad weak, but putting in a steel clutch line or just going with an aftermarket clutch has fixed any of those weaknesses in the stock car.
The only other thing I've noticed from other owners is that the paint is cheap. Rock chips and dings are quite common.
The Engine and the 5 speed transmission is solid and proven. In stock form, its damn near impossible to overheat the engine (unlike some STIs detonation issues, though I think that is more likely on California's crappy low-octane gas). The engine is extremely modifiable. For less than $2,000 an ECU reflash/Piggyback System and a Catback Exhaust System will add at least 50HP at the wheels. The 5 Speed has been around for a long time and other than harmless noises, its solid.
BTW..I went with my buddy to buy a WRX this weekend (he couldn't drive stick well so I had to drive it home for him and teach him how to drive it). He got a nice silver one with the short throw shifter and it was very nice. That is a very worthwhile option vs. the stock gearbox. There seems to be a lot of STIs (which look nice BTW) at he dealers, was there a recent allocation?
It seems STis do not like the 91 octane gas and 93 or 94 octane seems to take care of the knock problems people have. As I'm sure you know both cars take very well to mods but the EVO has a head start so new mods are still coming out every week for the STi. Guys are starting to break into the mid 12s with a couple simple boltons so it should start getting fun as the EVO and STi start to compete more regularly at the strip and autox/trackdays.
I'll probably be picking up the STi or EVO in a couple years once my car is worth more than I owe and it will be a hard choice. Both great cars and the fact that they both exist in the marketplace makes the car world much more exciting for car enthusiasts.
Ike