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Old 11-01-2002, 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Hercules
2970 was the last curb weight given. I think they probably have it around 2900 lbs though.
I'm SURE that's a typo... my Accord Aerodec was only 3000... it's gotta be 2790..

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Originally posted by BlueAdept


I'm SURE that's a typo... my Accord Aerodec was only 3000... it's gotta be 2790.
Nope that's not a typo.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/features...cleID=7&page=5
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Originally posted by Hercules

Nope that's not a typo.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/features...cleID=7&page=5
We'll wait and see shall we.....
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Originally posted by BlueAdept


We'll wait and see shall we.....
Don't get me wrong, I'm hoping for lighter.. but I'm taking things at face value right now

That way I figure if they get it to 2700 lbs I can be 10 times more suprised and happy about it
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It's not going to be a small car.. 106" wheel base, 174" length. Only 1.8 inches shorter than a 3219lb 325i. Can't compare to FWD cars since the extra drivetrain components required for RWD weigh a lot. Lets hope they get it down closer to 2800ish for the base production version though..
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Originally posted by Hercules
2970 was the last curb weight given. I think they probably have it around 2900 lbs though.

is that the wet weight?

or dry?
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Originally posted by DakarM
is that the wet weight?

or dry?
It's not a motorcycle

It was curb weight.

curb weight
n.
The weight of a fueled automobile with standard equipment but without cargo or passengers.
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Originally posted by BlueAdept


I'm SURE that's a typo... my Accord Aerodec was only 3000... it's gotta be 2790.
The RX-Evolv was 3500 lbs...
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Originally posted by Macabre


It's not a motorcycle

It was curb weight.

curb weight
n.
The weight of a fueled automobile with standard equipment but without cargo or passengers.

okay cool because some manufacturers measure it differently.

BMWs weight = full wet weight + 180lb driver.
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Erm, what are you basing that on? I've never seen any reason to believe that the quoted curb weight of a BMW automobile is a measurement of the something different than that the curb weight of any other vehicle, at least in the US. It would really screw up the crash test and insurance industries if everyone had a different definition of "curb weight" (the one I quoted was from the dictionary, by the way). All information I could find on curb weight said the same thing- all fluids (including fuel) and nothing else.
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Originally posted by Macabre
Erm, what are you basing that on? I've never seen any reason to believe that the quoted curb weight of a BMW automobile is a measurement of the something different than that the curb weight of any other vehicle, at least in the US. It would really screw up the crash test and insurance industries if everyone had a different definition of "curb weight" (the one I quoted was from the dictionary, by the way). All information I could find on curb weight said the same thing- all fluids (including fuel) and nothing else.

it's a known fact in the BMW circles. it's also printed in my manual.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: rx-8 speed

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You're a bad devil's advocate. If that was entirely true you might consider the 350Z

But you aren't.... :D
That's right, I aren't. The 350 is heavy and only has 2 seats. Plus you gotta pay through the nose for LSD.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rx-8 speed

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That's right, I aren't. The 350 is heavy and only has 2 seats. Plus you gotta pay through the nose for LSD.
*nod*

And the interior REALLY sucks.. but that's another story
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Originally posted by DakarM

it's a known fact in the BMW circles. it's also printed in my manual.
You're saying that your BMW owners manual claims that the quoted curb weight for every BMW is artifically inflated by 180lbs? That seems quite absurd, especially given how much heat they've taken for their recent portly vehicles, and further that curb weight is used for vehicle safety-test classification in the US. I can't fathom why they would choose some arbitrary weight and add it to the quoted specs on every vehicle.

However, if you can show me where it is documented that the actual fully fueled weight of a BMW is 180lbs less than the specified curb weight, I'd love to see it.
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Either way, according to C&D and probably R&T also, they actually weigh each tested vehicle on a scale.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rx-8 speed

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That's right, I aren't. The 350 is heavy and only has 2 seats. Plus you gotta pay through the nose for LSD.
The 350z is about $8500 more than the RX-8 in england... both estimated prices but..
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BMW listed weights

For whatever it's worth, I'm looking at the manual for a 1993 325i and it's listed as:

Unloaded weight
(ready for road, tank full
according to FMVSS 110)

Maybe it's different in later models, or you might have read it incorrectly DakarM?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rx-8 speed

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The 350z is about $8500 more than the RX-8 in england... both estimated prices but..
How much does a 350z cost in england? Here, that would put the RX-8 starting around $18k :D
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BMW 330i sedan weight

I just checked the BMW web site (www.bmwusa.com) for the RWD BMW 330i sedan for the vehicle weight, they list the weight as ‘Unladen lbs 3285 (3362)'.

Does anyone know what this means?
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Re: BMW 330i sedan weight

Originally posted by ZoomZoom
I just checked the BMW web site (www.bmwusa.com) for the RWD BMW 330i sedan for the vehicle weight, they list the weight as ‘Unladen lbs 3285 (3362)'.

Does anyone know what this means?
Manual transmission (automatic transmission)
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Re: Re: BMW 330i sedan weight

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Manual transmission (automatic transmission)
I think that you are right about the manual transmission (automatic transmission) part, but what does “unladen lbs.” mean?
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Curb weight could be defined as "unladen weight." That is, the weight of the vehicle with no cargo. The other commonly quoted number is "gross vehicle weight rating" which is the weight of the vehicle loaded to its maximum.
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Originally posted by Macabre
Curb weight could be defined as "unladen weight." That is, the weight of the vehicle with no cargo. The other commonly quoted number is "gross vehicle weight rating" which is the weight of the vehicle loaded to its maximum.
Is it safe to say that "unladen weight" does NOT include the weight of the driver?
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Most likely, yes. It means the same thing as unloaded, and according to my manual that's just with a full tank of gas. It sounds like they jsut switched the wording to look more sophisticated.
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Originally posted by Elara
Most likely, yes. It means the same thing as unloaded, and according to my manual that's just with a full tank of gas. It sounds like they jsut switched the wording to look more sophisticated.
Thanks Elara, I guess that BMW has to do something to try to justify their higher pricing.
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