FnL

hey,
Im new to this forum and also dont know much about cars. But I was just wondering, if the rx-8 makes 250 hp on a 1.3L shouldnt it be in the league of a s2000 in 0-60 and 1/4 miles? All i know is that a lot of horsepower on a light engine means fast @$$ car is this a myth or what?

Hercules

I think that if you're looking for ***** out speed, this isn't the car you should look at.

Mazda is developing this car with a fun factor and HANDLING factor as the utmost importance. The 250 horsepower rotary delivers GOOD power to supplement the car's good handling characteristics which make it a FUN FUN FUN car to drive.

I think at least 90%+ of the people on this forum are buying it for the handling.

I will say this though, if you know how to drive well, you can easily take out 90% of what's on the road today. Though for me, I'm not racing... I'm just going to a parking lot and...

BlueAdept

Without a doubt it will not be a slow vehicle!... Current estimates put it in that area for sure... however you will find that most of the people on this board are far more concearned with the handling that outright speed... since that is one of Mazda's traditional strongpoints.

The car is expected to outhandle practically anything it can't outrun!.

BlueAdept

See... they beat me to it...

Grimace

Light engines usually are quick revvers. Quick revving, high horsepower engines are rewarding to drive, but I don't know about fast @$$.
I need a definition of fast @$$. Is 0-60 mph in ~6 seconds fast @$$, or is that more of a medium @$$? Is it more important that your @$$ has a quick quater mile? For example, is a 13 second @$$ fast? Perhaps you want your @$$ to do the 1/4 in sub-10. That'd be a smokin' fast @$$. Then again, maybe I've got my @$$ metrics all wrong. Perhaps what matters with @$$'s is a high top speed. I'd consider anything under 130 mph to be a pretty slow @$$ myself, but then, some mornings I have trouble hauling @$$ out of bed.

fuz

Aren't you sort of forgeting the dead weight the engine has to lug around, aka, the car? S2K, at this point weighs ~2800, considerably lighter than the last RX-8 numbers we've seen. Also there is no way to see what kind of gearing the RX-8 will have.

So simply as an educated guess based on current info, I'd expect the car to be in the low 6, if not high 5 range. Just a little worse than the S2K.

However, taking refinement of the design into view, I expect the rensis to have a much more useable torque curve than the ultra high-strung 4 that the S2K has. Therefore I have faith that the RX-8 will beat the S2K in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.

Gaidin

Grimace, I think that is the funniest post I've read in a while. I too have trouble hauling @$$ out of bed! :D

Quick_lude

I had to haull @$$ this morning to work.. VTEC baby.. :D

BlueAdept

Not that I condone taking the **** out of new casual members who probably don't understand where we're coming from wrt handling etc.. but I also thought that post was really funny.... Congrats Grimace.

Keep in mind though that as the number of members increases, we will see many more "casual" members with a few posts here and there... lets not scare too many of them away!!

Cheers!!!.

fritts

I don't believe the car was intended for this or for that. The car is what you make of it. People are talking about handling and how its not supposed to be about speed. I am sure it will be a great handling car but it would not have 250 hp if it wasn't about speed too.

As for times I am thinking sub 6, sec 0-60 and around 14 or slightly higher for the quarter.

Settle down people its a sports car both handling and speed are important

DakarM

Let's face facts. RX-8 will not survive on the account of ethusiasts alone.

Most of the people here will probably buy it for the handling, etc. But I'd imagine that most of the cars will be sold be people how could careless about the handling.

If only enthusiasts bought miatas, mazda might not be around anymore.

sheylen

A sports car needs three attributes: performance, handling and looks. The RX-8 has all three.

Grimace

I wasn't trying to beat up on the new comer, sorry if I came across that way. Just trying to inject a little humour into a thread that when it starts out this way has traditionally gotten ugly quickly. I made me laugh, anyway! I'll address the comments seriously now that I've had my fun :

Really wouldn't matter if the RX-8 made 250 HP on 1.3L or 10L or .1L. What matters is the HP/torque curves, weight of the vehicle, gearing, and a multitude of other factors.
That said, the RX-8 should have similar acceleration numbers to the S2000, but no one knows for sure. The RX-8 weighs more, but has more torque, and more importantly, the torque curve is extremely flat.
I addressed your earlier comment in my earlier @$$ post. (Sorry, couldn't resist. )

Grimace

Perhaps, but the non-enthusiasts that bought the MX-5 quickly fell in love with it after the initial "must have the latest thing" craze wore off.

rpm_pwr

... and towing points :D A friend with a flatbed towtruck also helps if it's a Jag. :D

-pete

DakarM

yeah but they bought the car and I think that is a very important point.

Grimace

Yep, you're right. A sale is a sale is a sale, doesn't matter who is buying it or for what reason in Mazda's eyes.

Sputnik

Actually, it does. That way, you won't make any changes to the car that will make it a loser, and you can hopefully do the same thing with other car models.

---jps

Grimace

I agree, but thats not what I meant. I didn't mean Mazda should change the RX-8 to suit everyone and reach the absolute widest audience. I just meant that if a 80 year old grandfather wanted to buy it, or a 18 year old kid to be the "phatest on the block", it doesn't matter to Mazda who is holding the money.

BryanH

I guess I'm that <10%. Well, maybe that's a bit misleading. I'm interested in the 8 because it's so fast and practical. Fast meaning it's well balanced in the power it has for its weight and handling prowess. It should tear up a road course as fast as (or faster than!) an S2000 or 350Z -- two rather impractical sports cars.

See, my MR2 is the poster-child for "handling over horsepower." At 112hp and 97ft-lbs, at the flywheel, it's truly slow in a straight line (16.5 quarter mile, 0-60 in low 8s), but it gets the job done at the autocross, embarassing many "faster" cars.

So I suppose from my perspective it seems odd to see people talking about how the RX-8 is all about handling, handling, handling, when it's so much faster in a straight line than the sports car I drive now.

Hercules

You're a bad devil's advocate. If that was entirely true you might consider the 350Z

But you aren't.... :D

Quick_lude

This is not the Miata forum is it? I'm on the RX-8 forum right? :p Peace! I keed! I keed!.. lol..

Hercules

*smack*

:D

rx714psi

So what is the speculated weight of the RX-8?

Hercules

2970 was the last curb weight given. I think they probably have it around 2900 lbs though.