RX-8 Is Not A High-Performance Car?
12-04-2004, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ayap888
All I can say is .. there's a lot of people who claims to have driven an RX8 and compared it with the Z .. wow. From what I'm reading, you posers clearly DO NOT know how to drive the 8. In that video, the RX8 had the same track time as the BMW M3 and the Nissan 350Z. They were driven by the same driven on the same track.
If you know how to drive an RX8 and you went against a driver who is a little less skilled than you, you WILL beat the **** out of a 350Z or an M3. That video proves that these three cars driven by the same driver with the same skill can go head ot head with each other. What you read in magazines is BS BS BS. The magazines are bias towards BMWs and the Z. With a good driver, the RX8 can outgun an M3 and a Z. And if all drivers have the same skill, they will perform the same way. Geez.
If you know how to drive an RX8 and you went against a driver who is a little less skilled than you, you WILL beat the **** out of a 350Z or an M3. That video proves that these three cars driven by the same driver with the same skill can go head ot head with each other. What you read in magazines is BS BS BS. The magazines are bias towards BMWs and the Z. With a good driver, the RX8 can outgun an M3 and a Z. And if all drivers have the same skill, they will perform the same way. Geez.
The M3 thing is a fluke, on most tracks, on most days an E46 M3 will whoop an RX-8. If you believe otherwise you're a fool.
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12-04-2004, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
Posers huh, but the guy with the AT RX-8 clearly does know how to drive? So you say what you read in magazines is BS and then you use one lap from a magazine TV show as you proof of that? The M3 thing is a fluke, on most tracks, on most days an E46 M3 will whoop an RX-8. If you believe otherwise you're a fool.
The M3 thing is a fluke, on most tracks, on most days an E46 M3 will whoop an RX-8. If you believe otherwise you're a fool.
12-04-2004, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JimW
I find that hard to believe as well, but these drivers can really take a car to it's limit and are fine drivers, so it could be that most drivers cant drive the rx8 that well. Face it the E46 M3 is and exceptional automobile and you get what you pay for which is loads of performance in a sedan!
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Just busting your chops Jason. Don't take it too seriously. Those 944 Turbo cars while maintenance nightmares were very fast for their day, and can be modded to some incredible #'s.
12-04-2004, 05:03 PM
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OK, I’ve mentioned this briefly in several other threads but since Jason has brought this up as a topic of discussion, I find it time now to explain in a little more detail.
In 2002 I stopped into Sutherlin Nissan (Mall of Georgia, Buford, GA USA) to look into the purchase of a used car. The following is a copy of an email message I sent to the dealership and also Nissan Corporate after my experiances. Nissan Corporate told me they were sorry I had a bad experiance and that each dealer handels sales differently. Maybe I should check out another dealer.
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Dear Southerlin Nissan:
Please deliver this message to the sales manager, owner and anyone else that should hear about your quality sales team.
I want to thank the sales manager for helping me decide on the correct place to purchase my two latest cars.
The first car was a used 2000 Maxima, which I purchase 2 years ago. When I went to see what you had in stock and asked for the prices on 3 different cars, you told me I had to pick only one, so I chose to walk out the door and across the street to the Toyota dealer and bought a great car at a great deal.
The second car came with two different visits to your location. The first was when I fell in love with a used Acura CL. After a couple days I gave you a price that I would purchase the car for and I got a call back that it was mine for that price. I was going around to purchase it that evening after work, however I got a call saying it had sold before I could get there.
So I spent a couple more weeks looking for cars and decided I wanted to purchase a new 350Z. You would not let me drive the car I wanted to buy. I was very upset that you have such a STUPID policy and left your facility never to return. I'm a Vice President of Marketing at a local company and have worked there for 10 years, I have lived in the area for 23 years, I'm not going anywhere with your stupid car!
So, the bottom line is, I want to thank you for giving me a little more time to locate a really great, brand new, Mazda RX8. This is a wonderful car to drive and I will not have to worry about ever doing business with you again!
I own two Maximas presently and have in the past owned a 200SX and another Maxima. I know Nissan products well and wish I could keep my business in the family but your company has made 3 serious mistakes with me as a customer.
My advice to you is to pay a little more attention to your potential customers. You ran me out of your store and I bought two cars elsewhere. You lost – sales, service and a relationship with a customer. You gained – a spokesman for spreading as much bad press about Sutherlin as possible, whether to the owner of Sutherlin, Nissan Corporate or to friends.
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I later wrote an email to Mazda Corporate explaining to them my satisfaction with my RX8. They were so pleased with my excitement that they sent me a cupon in the mail for $50 at a Mazda dealer for service or accessories. Hummm, maybe some of you should do the same. That's a great way to help pay for some of those oil changes! :D
In 2002 I stopped into Sutherlin Nissan (Mall of Georgia, Buford, GA USA) to look into the purchase of a used car. The following is a copy of an email message I sent to the dealership and also Nissan Corporate after my experiances. Nissan Corporate told me they were sorry I had a bad experiance and that each dealer handels sales differently. Maybe I should check out another dealer.
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Dear Southerlin Nissan:
Please deliver this message to the sales manager, owner and anyone else that should hear about your quality sales team.
I want to thank the sales manager for helping me decide on the correct place to purchase my two latest cars.
The first car was a used 2000 Maxima, which I purchase 2 years ago. When I went to see what you had in stock and asked for the prices on 3 different cars, you told me I had to pick only one, so I chose to walk out the door and across the street to the Toyota dealer and bought a great car at a great deal.
The second car came with two different visits to your location. The first was when I fell in love with a used Acura CL. After a couple days I gave you a price that I would purchase the car for and I got a call back that it was mine for that price. I was going around to purchase it that evening after work, however I got a call saying it had sold before I could get there.
So I spent a couple more weeks looking for cars and decided I wanted to purchase a new 350Z. You would not let me drive the car I wanted to buy. I was very upset that you have such a STUPID policy and left your facility never to return. I'm a Vice President of Marketing at a local company and have worked there for 10 years, I have lived in the area for 23 years, I'm not going anywhere with your stupid car!
So, the bottom line is, I want to thank you for giving me a little more time to locate a really great, brand new, Mazda RX8. This is a wonderful car to drive and I will not have to worry about ever doing business with you again!
I own two Maximas presently and have in the past owned a 200SX and another Maxima. I know Nissan products well and wish I could keep my business in the family but your company has made 3 serious mistakes with me as a customer.
My advice to you is to pay a little more attention to your potential customers. You ran me out of your store and I bought two cars elsewhere. You lost – sales, service and a relationship with a customer. You gained – a spokesman for spreading as much bad press about Sutherlin as possible, whether to the owner of Sutherlin, Nissan Corporate or to friends.
=======================
I later wrote an email to Mazda Corporate explaining to them my satisfaction with my RX8. They were so pleased with my excitement that they sent me a cupon in the mail for $50 at a Mazda dealer for service or accessories. Hummm, maybe some of you should do the same. That's a great way to help pay for some of those oil changes! :D
12-04-2004, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by StewC625
I'll start that argument again.
Any parent that buys their kid a $30,000 car in some misguided sense of "reward" for crap they oughta be doing any way (like staying out of trouble and getting good grades, or for that matter, even graduating from high school), has strudel in their noodle.
I understand and agree with buying your kid a solid, reliable car so they can get around once they get their license, but these parents that do this are complete idiots. And the kids that have the cars don't appreciate them, based on the behavior I've observed time and again in our community.
Flames away! Bring it ON!
I am SO glad my folks did for me what they did. When I needed a car, they bought me a solid, reliable, inexpensive car, albiet not that much fun (a 1978 Chevy Chevette). When I got good grades and stayed out of trouble, they said "Hey, Stew, we're proud of you! " When my mom's parents wanted to buy me a car after my junior year for maintaining a 4.0 average to that point forward, my folks insisted that money go into a durable trust that I would have access to when I turned 22 ($15,000). My grandparents had wanted to buy me a Triumph TR8. Man was I disappointed! Read on ...
When I graduated high school with a 3.92 average (yup, didn't keep that 4 point senior year! oops!), they again were very proud of me. My involvement in my college education was supposed to have been 50% contribution towards all expenses. Instead, they raised their side as my graduation gift, and said all I had to pay for was books and beer money.
When I graduated college, my folks didn't give me a car or anything. They gave me $10000 in a durable trust that I couldn't touch until I was 25. They had close to $40,000 in student loans on my education.
The results?
1) I got a great job out of college. With my "junior year" trust from my grandparents, I withdrew $10,000 out of the $18,000 balance (it grew a bit in 4 years), and used that along with some of my own cash to buy myself my "congratulations, you've got a job" gift - a 1985 Mazda RX-7 GS. (see attached picture).
2) At age 25, I used the graduation gift from my folks, as well as the remaining balance from my grandparents, as a downpayment to buy my first house.
3) At age 26, I paid off ALL of my parent's student loans that they had taken out to pay for my education. I did this secretly. My parents found out when the statements came. They about **** themselves! That was a fun day.
See what happens folks? Instead of giving me a depreciating asset that I would ultimately get into trouble with, and that would be entirely worthless after a few years, they gave me appreciating assets that I used to start my adult life.
Was I disappointed when my folks kept my Grandparents from buying me a TR8? Hugely. Do I now regret not having that car then? Not a chance.
Kids, if you have a hot car, I don't begrudge you having it. I think that if you bought it, well, congrats. But remember, "buying a car" means ALL THE MONEY you used to buy it was money you earned. Not money that was given to you. And having your parents giving you the downpayment or covering insurance or anything d0oesn't count. And if your folks bought it, then fine. In my humble opinion, they are foolish idiots, but fine.
Tell me, wouldn't you rather instead have money to buy a house, a car, your education, later?
Ok, stupid question ... kids don't think that way. I didn't. I was mad as hell at my folks back then. But sure appreciate what they did now.
Any parent that buys their kid a $30,000 car in some misguided sense of "reward" for crap they oughta be doing any way (like staying out of trouble and getting good grades, or for that matter, even graduating from high school), has strudel in their noodle.
I understand and agree with buying your kid a solid, reliable car so they can get around once they get their license, but these parents that do this are complete idiots. And the kids that have the cars don't appreciate them, based on the behavior I've observed time and again in our community.
Flames away! Bring it ON!
I am SO glad my folks did for me what they did. When I needed a car, they bought me a solid, reliable, inexpensive car, albiet not that much fun (a 1978 Chevy Chevette). When I got good grades and stayed out of trouble, they said "Hey, Stew, we're proud of you! " When my mom's parents wanted to buy me a car after my junior year for maintaining a 4.0 average to that point forward, my folks insisted that money go into a durable trust that I would have access to when I turned 22 ($15,000). My grandparents had wanted to buy me a Triumph TR8. Man was I disappointed! Read on ...
When I graduated high school with a 3.92 average (yup, didn't keep that 4 point senior year! oops!), they again were very proud of me. My involvement in my college education was supposed to have been 50% contribution towards all expenses. Instead, they raised their side as my graduation gift, and said all I had to pay for was books and beer money.
When I graduated college, my folks didn't give me a car or anything. They gave me $10000 in a durable trust that I couldn't touch until I was 25. They had close to $40,000 in student loans on my education.
The results?
1) I got a great job out of college. With my "junior year" trust from my grandparents, I withdrew $10,000 out of the $18,000 balance (it grew a bit in 4 years), and used that along with some of my own cash to buy myself my "congratulations, you've got a job" gift - a 1985 Mazda RX-7 GS. (see attached picture).
2) At age 25, I used the graduation gift from my folks, as well as the remaining balance from my grandparents, as a downpayment to buy my first house.
3) At age 26, I paid off ALL of my parent's student loans that they had taken out to pay for my education. I did this secretly. My parents found out when the statements came. They about **** themselves! That was a fun day.
See what happens folks? Instead of giving me a depreciating asset that I would ultimately get into trouble with, and that would be entirely worthless after a few years, they gave me appreciating assets that I used to start my adult life.
Was I disappointed when my folks kept my Grandparents from buying me a TR8? Hugely. Do I now regret not having that car then? Not a chance.
Kids, if you have a hot car, I don't begrudge you having it. I think that if you bought it, well, congrats. But remember, "buying a car" means ALL THE MONEY you used to buy it was money you earned. Not money that was given to you. And having your parents giving you the downpayment or covering insurance or anything d0oesn't count. And if your folks bought it, then fine. In my humble opinion, they are foolish idiots, but fine.
Tell me, wouldn't you rather instead have money to buy a house, a car, your education, later?
Ok, stupid question ... kids don't think that way. I didn't. I was mad as hell at my folks back then. But sure appreciate what they did now.
12-04-2004, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dragula53
And the rx-8 doesn't beat the fairlady around the track.... watch the best motoring video..
the only thing the rx-8 beat around the track was the miata.
(which I know is kinda harsh, but this thread sucks)
Everybody is tripping! Tripping I say.
I'm not sure how to categorize the RX-8 except for as an aesthetically pleasing and extremely fun car to toss around.
the only thing the rx-8 beat around the track was the miata.
(which I know is kinda harsh, but this thread sucks)
Everybody is tripping! Tripping I say.
I'm not sure how to categorize the RX-8 except for as an aesthetically pleasing and extremely fun car to toss around.
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gentleman my first ever post........
i think there is a high level of denial in this forum,just being honest.I think you guys really need to wake up as far as what the 8 really is capable of,be honest if your life depended on it and if you had to pick 1 car to go around a track or in a staight line or race from a roll on a freeway or whatever other scenario you can imagine....there is no way in hell anyone who drives an r-x8 would pick the 8 over the Z.The Z just outperforms the 8 and thats not a surprise in these forums or with any other community,its common knowledge that a vette can outperform a Z its also common knowledge that a Z can outperform an 8....i'm very surprised at this particular thread because a lot of it is just useless statements....like comments like the 8 looks better than the Z...i drive a Z and when i first purchased it i turned heads for the first 2 years it was out.....every now and then i'll have some stranger come up to me at a gas station and talk about the car...my point here is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder....so to say you're 8 looks better than my Z is strictly your own opinion and that go's both ways.But its no secret that the Z is in almost every front page tuner magazine out there....and its no secret that the Z is known as a sexy ride.
The reason i'm on this forum is well i'm a Z fan an M3 ,g35 and 8 fan...yea in that order , so i'm not here to bash but i'm also keeping it real...if you don't believe my comments above its ok ,if you live in the san diego area and would like to prove me wrong and race from a dig a roll some twisties in reverse whavever it would be in good fun...i don't drive a domestic so if you happen to win i won't flip you off lol,seriously it would be in good fun i love reading about the 8
by the way i test drove an 8
pros:seats 4 , good handling ,ride is smooth and you can rev for a while before shifting.beautiful car
cons:feels power less (compared to my Z).as i was test driving down my first stretch i looked at my girlfriend in the rear seats and gave her the
look ,interior doesn't feel like i'm in a serious sports car , made me feel like i'm in a "sporty car" , but alas power isn't everything and yes the 8 gives up a little power but ride quality is through the roof
i think there is a high level of denial in this forum,just being honest.I think you guys really need to wake up as far as what the 8 really is capable of,be honest if your life depended on it and if you had to pick 1 car to go around a track or in a staight line or race from a roll on a freeway or whatever other scenario you can imagine....there is no way in hell anyone who drives an r-x8 would pick the 8 over the Z.The Z just outperforms the 8 and thats not a surprise in these forums or with any other community,its common knowledge that a vette can outperform a Z its also common knowledge that a Z can outperform an 8....i'm very surprised at this particular thread because a lot of it is just useless statements....like comments like the 8 looks better than the Z...i drive a Z and when i first purchased it i turned heads for the first 2 years it was out.....every now and then i'll have some stranger come up to me at a gas station and talk about the car...my point here is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder....so to say you're 8 looks better than my Z is strictly your own opinion and that go's both ways.But its no secret that the Z is in almost every front page tuner magazine out there....and its no secret that the Z is known as a sexy ride.
The reason i'm on this forum is well i'm a Z fan an M3 ,g35 and 8 fan...yea in that order , so i'm not here to bash but i'm also keeping it real...if you don't believe my comments above its ok ,if you live in the san diego area and would like to prove me wrong and race from a dig a roll some twisties in reverse whavever it would be in good fun...i don't drive a domestic so if you happen to win i won't flip you off lol,seriously it would be in good fun i love reading about the 8
by the way i test drove an 8
pros:seats 4 , good handling ,ride is smooth and you can rev for a while before shifting.beautiful car
cons:feels power less (compared to my Z).as i was test driving down my first stretch i looked at my girlfriend in the rear seats and gave her the
look ,interior doesn't feel like i'm in a serious sports car , made me feel like i'm in a "sporty car" , but alas power isn't everything and yes the 8 gives up a little power but ride quality is through the roof
12-05-2004, 02:00 AM
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FACT: The RX-8 will out perform the 350 Z on many "technical" tracks.
FACT: The 350 Z will out perform the RX-8 on less technical more "open" tracks.
When it comes down to it, the Z is a hog. Albeit a very capable one. I think of the 350 Z the same way I think of the Supra. Go to an autocross and watch the lines the two cars take around a track. While the Z takes similar lines as my old 91 RX-7 or a Mustang, the RX-8 follows a line more akin to the Miata or other more nimble cars.
Don't get me wrong, if the track is wide open with nice sweeping curves and open straightaways, the 350 will dominate by .5 to 1.5 seconds. Flip that around and add couple of slaloms and some nice hairpins and you will not only see the 350 Z lose by a second, but it will probably DNF because it can't stay in between the cones.
your turn...
FACT: The 350 Z will out perform the RX-8 on less technical more "open" tracks.
When it comes down to it, the Z is a hog. Albeit a very capable one. I think of the 350 Z the same way I think of the Supra. Go to an autocross and watch the lines the two cars take around a track. While the Z takes similar lines as my old 91 RX-7 or a Mustang, the RX-8 follows a line more akin to the Miata or other more nimble cars.
Don't get me wrong, if the track is wide open with nice sweeping curves and open straightaways, the 350 will dominate by .5 to 1.5 seconds. Flip that around and add couple of slaloms and some nice hairpins and you will not only see the 350 Z lose by a second, but it will probably DNF because it can't stay in between the cones.
your turn...
12-05-2004, 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Trojan[Z]
gentleman my first ever post........
i think there is a high level of denial in this forum,just being honest.I think you guys really need to wake up as far as what the 8 really is capable of,be honest if your life depended on it and if you had to pick car to go around a track or in a staight line or race from a roll on a freeway or whatever other scenario you can imagine....there is no way in hell anyone who drives an r-x8 would pick the 8 over the Z.The Z just outperforms the 8 and thats not a surprise in these forums or with any other community,its common knowledge that a vette can outperform a Z its also common knowledge that a Z can outperform an 8....
i think there is a high level of denial in this forum,just being honest.I think you guys really need to wake up as far as what the 8 really is capable of,be honest if your life depended on it and if you had to pick car to go around a track or in a staight line or race from a roll on a freeway or whatever other scenario you can imagine....there is no way in hell anyone who drives an r-x8 would pick the 8 over the Z.The Z just outperforms the 8 and thats not a surprise in these forums or with any other community,its common knowledge that a vette can outperform a Z its also common knowledge that a Z can outperform an 8....
12-05-2004, 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Trojan[Z]
gentleman my first ever post........
i think there is a high level of denial in this forum,just being honest.I think you guys really need to wake up as far as what the 8 really is capable of,be honest if your life depended on it and if you had to pick 1 car to go around a track or in a staight line or race from a roll on a freeway or whatever other scenario you can imagine....there is no way in hell anyone who drives an r-x8 would pick the 8 over the Z.The Z just outperforms the 8 and thats not a surprise in these forums or with any other community,its common knowledge that a vette can outperform a Z its also common knowledge that a Z can outperform an 8....i'm very surprised at this particular thread because a lot of it is just useless statements....like comments like the 8 looks better than the Z...i drive a Z and when i first purchased it i turned heads for the first 2 years it was out.....every now and then i'll have some stranger come up to me at a gas station and talk about the car...my point here is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder....so to say you're 8 looks better than my Z is strictly your own opinion and that go's both ways.But its no secret that the Z is in almost every front page tuner magazine out there....and its no secret that the Z is known as a sexy ride.
The reason i'm on this forum is well i'm a Z fan an M3 ,g35 and 8 fan...yea in that order , so i'm not here to bash but i'm also keeping it real...if you don't believe my comments above its ok ,if you live in the san diego area and would like to prove me wrong and race from a dig a roll some twisties in reverse whavever it would be in good fun...i don't drive a domestic so if you happen to win i won't flip you off lol,seriously it would be in good fun i love reading about the 8
by the way i test drove an 8
pros:seats 4 , good handling ,ride is smooth and you can rev for a while before shifting.beautiful car
cons:feels power less (compared to my Z).as i was test driving down my first stretch i looked at my girlfriend in the rear seats and gave her the look ,interior doesn't feel like i'm in a serious sports car , made me feel like i'm in a "sporty car" , but alas power isn't everything and yes the 8 gives up a little power but ride quality is through the roof
i think there is a high level of denial in this forum,just being honest.I think you guys really need to wake up as far as what the 8 really is capable of,be honest if your life depended on it and if you had to pick 1 car to go around a track or in a staight line or race from a roll on a freeway or whatever other scenario you can imagine....there is no way in hell anyone who drives an r-x8 would pick the 8 over the Z.The Z just outperforms the 8 and thats not a surprise in these forums or with any other community,its common knowledge that a vette can outperform a Z its also common knowledge that a Z can outperform an 8....i'm very surprised at this particular thread because a lot of it is just useless statements....like comments like the 8 looks better than the Z...i drive a Z and when i first purchased it i turned heads for the first 2 years it was out.....every now and then i'll have some stranger come up to me at a gas station and talk about the car...my point here is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder....so to say you're 8 looks better than my Z is strictly your own opinion and that go's both ways.But its no secret that the Z is in almost every front page tuner magazine out there....and its no secret that the Z is known as a sexy ride.
The reason i'm on this forum is well i'm a Z fan an M3 ,g35 and 8 fan...yea in that order , so i'm not here to bash but i'm also keeping it real...if you don't believe my comments above its ok ,if you live in the san diego area and would like to prove me wrong and race from a dig a roll some twisties in reverse whavever it would be in good fun...i don't drive a domestic so if you happen to win i won't flip you off lol,seriously it would be in good fun i love reading about the 8
by the way i test drove an 8
pros:seats 4 , good handling ,ride is smooth and you can rev for a while before shifting.beautiful car
cons:feels power less (compared to my Z).as i was test driving down my first stretch i looked at my girlfriend in the rear seats and gave her the
look ,interior doesn't feel like i'm in a serious sports car , made me feel like i'm in a "sporty car" , but alas power isn't everything and yes the 8 gives up a little power but ride quality is through the roof
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Originally Posted by Fanman
But if the course was one that has no long straights, tight turns, I would take the 8, especially before any model other than the Track model of the 350Z.
Just like we (RX-8 owners) know that the Z will be about 1/2 a car length ahead in the 1/4 mile.. the difference is RX-8 owners can deal with it.. Z fanboys will deny it to the very end.
12-05-2004, 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by DrKillJoY
Agreed. It is well documented that the Z pushes hard into tight corners.
Just like we (RX-8 owners) know that the Z will be about 1/2 a car length ahead in the 1/4 mile.. the difference is RX-8 owners can deal with it.. Z fanboys will deny it to the very end.
Just like we (RX-8 owners) know that the Z will be about 1/2 a car length ahead in the 1/4 mile.. the difference is RX-8 owners can deal with it.. Z fanboys will deny it to the very end.
12-05-2004, 12:46 PM
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the reality is the only time your life is going to depend on the car is when you are driving twistys on a mountain drive...NOT to race but to get from point A to B...what car would you rather be in?
I would rather be in the High-performance handling and agility of the 8...coming around the corner in a hog (ie 350z) your back end could come out and that is the end of your life and your passengers life
this thread was if the 8 is a high performance car...there is NO doubt about this
the reality is there is a more advanced way of thinking when it comes to performance and life in general
the smoothly accelerating exponentially powerful up the powerband 8 mirrors life which follows the path of rest...to excitement...to climax (rev limiter)
Like I have said before those focusing on a burst out of the gates are limited in their view of life as a series of premature ejaculative states...such as the premature ejaculative state of drag racing
I would rather be in the High-performance handling and agility of the 8...coming around the corner in a hog (ie 350z) your back end could come out and that is the end of your life and your passengers life
this thread was if the 8 is a high performance car...there is NO doubt about this
the reality is there is a more advanced way of thinking when it comes to performance and life in general
the smoothly accelerating exponentially powerful up the powerband 8 mirrors life which follows the path of rest...to excitement...to climax (rev limiter)
Like I have said before those focusing on a burst out of the gates are limited in their view of life as a series of premature ejaculative states...such as the premature ejaculative state of drag racing
Originally Posted by Trojan[Z]
gentleman my first ever post........
i think there is a high level of denial in this forum,just being honest.I think you guys really need to wake up as far as what the 8 really is capable of,be honest if your life depended on it and if you had to pick 1 car to go around a track or in a staight line or race from a roll on a freeway or whatever other scenario you can imagine....there is no way in hell anyone who drives an r-x8 would pick the 8 over the Z.The Z just outperforms the 8 and thats not a surprise in these forums or with any other community,its common knowledge that a vette can outperform a Z its also common knowledge that a Z can outperform an 8....i'm very surprised at this particular thread because a lot of it is just useless statements....like comments like the 8 looks better than the Z...i drive a Z and when i first purchased it i turned heads for the first 2 years it was out.....every now and then i'll have some stranger come up to me at a gas station and talk about the car...my point here is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder....so to say you're 8 looks better than my Z is strictly your own opinion and that go's both ways.But its no secret that the Z is in almost every front page tuner magazine out there....and its no secret that the Z is known as a sexy ride.
The reason i'm on this forum is well i'm a Z fan an M3 ,g35 and 8 fan...yea in that order , so i'm not here to bash but i'm also keeping it real...if you don't believe my comments above its ok ,if you live in the san diego area and would like to prove me wrong and race from a dig a roll some twisties in reverse whavever it would be in good fun...i don't drive a domestic so if you happen to win i won't flip you off lol,seriously it would be in good fun i love reading about the 8
by the way i test drove an 8
pros:seats 4 , good handling ,ride is smooth and you can rev for a while before shifting.beautiful car
cons:feels power less (compared to my Z).as i was test driving down my first stretch i looked at my girlfriend in the rear seats and gave her the look ,interior doesn't feel like i'm in a serious sports car , made me feel like i'm in a "sporty car" , but alas power isn't everything and yes the 8 gives up a little power but ride quality is through the roof
i think there is a high level of denial in this forum,just being honest.I think you guys really need to wake up as far as what the 8 really is capable of,be honest if your life depended on it and if you had to pick 1 car to go around a track or in a staight line or race from a roll on a freeway or whatever other scenario you can imagine....there is no way in hell anyone who drives an r-x8 would pick the 8 over the Z.The Z just outperforms the 8 and thats not a surprise in these forums or with any other community,its common knowledge that a vette can outperform a Z its also common knowledge that a Z can outperform an 8....i'm very surprised at this particular thread because a lot of it is just useless statements....like comments like the 8 looks better than the Z...i drive a Z and when i first purchased it i turned heads for the first 2 years it was out.....every now and then i'll have some stranger come up to me at a gas station and talk about the car...my point here is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder....so to say you're 8 looks better than my Z is strictly your own opinion and that go's both ways.But its no secret that the Z is in almost every front page tuner magazine out there....and its no secret that the Z is known as a sexy ride.
The reason i'm on this forum is well i'm a Z fan an M3 ,g35 and 8 fan...yea in that order , so i'm not here to bash but i'm also keeping it real...if you don't believe my comments above its ok ,if you live in the san diego area and would like to prove me wrong and race from a dig a roll some twisties in reverse whavever it would be in good fun...i don't drive a domestic so if you happen to win i won't flip you off lol,seriously it would be in good fun i love reading about the 8
by the way i test drove an 8
pros:seats 4 , good handling ,ride is smooth and you can rev for a while before shifting.beautiful car
cons:feels power less (compared to my Z).as i was test driving down my first stretch i looked at my girlfriend in the rear seats and gave her the
look ,interior doesn't feel like i'm in a serious sports car , made me feel like i'm in a "sporty car" , but alas power isn't everything and yes the 8 gives up a little power but ride quality is through the roof
12-05-2004, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RotorManiac
The porsche owners I was reffering to preffered the 8's interior all the way. Its not the 8 trying 'too hard' but the porsche not trying 'hard enough'. At the price the 996 was sold the interior simply wouldn't do. However, the 997 is a totally different story.
All models having the same interior/exterior was also a great mistake, that porsche soon found out...
All models having the same interior/exterior was also a great mistake, that porsche soon found out...
Porschefiles have always had a problem with the interiors, and they're also the ones who get upset when the Boxster can outhandle their beloved 911s, that's why Porsche has to keep the HP lower on the Boxsters even though it's the same silly engine for all practical purposes as the one in the 911.
But that's all discussion for a Porsche board somewhere; the bottom line is at least among the people I've spoken too, the RX-8 is a bit too Japanese.
Bottom line, if you're the type of person who reads import tuning magazines, the RX-8 is a good choice; if you're the type of person who thinks most of the Japanese imports look horrid, the RX-8's not going to change your opinion (and that's what it all comes down to after all, opinion...)
12-05-2004, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BillK
"That Porsche soon found out"? Until the past two years Porsche had some of the best sales in their corporate history...
But you should keep your opinions to yourself, because you are wrong.
The German factory faced some problems, like some serious complains from the porsche hardcore enthusiasts that the 911 looked almost the same with the boxster and the PCCB (Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes). Many owners in Germany and Great Britain found out that they didn't last as long as porsche claimed (actually less than even normal brakes), yet this option had cost them quite a lot of money...
If you asked me though, I'd still buy one straight away
Oh, and the 8's interior is far superior than any other jap car, it can easily go head-to-head with the europian competition...
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