RPM going into 1st Gear?
09-01-2009, 08:13 PM
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Jsuzuki had the best reply so far, even though he didn't use the magic words . . .
Double-clutch ! ! !
That's right -- practicioners of this apparently-lost art can enjoy the sensation of their transmissions slipping into a lower gear with only a slight nudge, all with zero wear on synchros and clutches (maybe a tiny bit of extra wear on the clutch linkage, admittedly).
This has been discussed to DEATH ! ! !
But man is it awesome in al manner of driving situations, like when you're down to 8 to 12 MPH coasting up to a red light, which then graciously turns green.
Double-clutch ! ! !
That's right -- practicioners of this apparently-lost art can enjoy the sensation of their transmissions slipping into a lower gear with only a slight nudge, all with zero wear on synchros and clutches (maybe a tiny bit of extra wear on the clutch linkage, admittedly).
This has been discussed to DEATH ! ! !
But man is it awesome in al manner of driving situations, like when you're down to 8 to 12 MPH coasting up to a red light, which then graciously turns green.
If you drive a MT 8 and don't know how to do it, you should learn it. It will change everything. Fortunately, it's actually very easy to do, just don't watch the tach and learn to do it by feel and sound (not as hard as that might sound).
As for starting off in first, I've never looked at the tach, you just develop a feel for it after a while. Just don't drop the hammer and feather the clutch out slowly or pop the clutch while stomping the gas, if you can't engage the clutch quickly without jerkiness then you're doing it wrong.
It's not necessarily how much gas you give it, but when. You should be starting to push the throttle in just when the clutch engages, you should only need to give it a tiny bit of gas before the clutch engages. Unless you're on a drag strip.
09-03-2009, 10:17 AM
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09-03-2009, 05:35 PM
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It's possible to idle along in first gear without touching the gas and not stall, if the car is already moving. When I do it, I end up moving at about 7mph. Of course, you aren't really idling if the transmission is engaged.
09-03-2009, 06:11 PM
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I've done it plenty of times in traffic. I just went out and tried it again on the street by my house, to make sure I wasn't always going downhill before. On a fairly level grade in first gear moving at about 6mph I took my foot completely off the gas.
Leveled out at 4-5mph. Lurched slightly at first but did not stall. Continued to roll and maintain speed. Would certainly stall uphill, but level or downhill not a problem.
So, now why don't YOU go out and try it and report back to us, Mr. Smartass?
Leveled out at 4-5mph. Lurched slightly at first but did not stall. Continued to roll and maintain speed. Would certainly stall uphill, but level or downhill not a problem.
So, now why don't YOU go out and try it and report back to us, Mr. Smartass?
09-03-2009, 06:45 PM
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I've done it plenty of times in traffic. I just went out and tried it again on the street by my house, to make sure I wasn't always going downhill before. On a fairly level grade in first gear moving at about 6mph I took my foot completely off the gas.
Leveled out at 4-5mph. Lurched slightly at first but did not stall. Continued to roll and maintain speed. Would certainly stall uphill, but level or downhill not a problem.
So, now why don't YOU go out and try it and report back to us, Mr. Smartass?
Leveled out at 4-5mph. Lurched slightly at first but did not stall. Continued to roll and maintain speed. Would certainly stall uphill, but level or downhill not a problem.
So, now why don't YOU go out and try it and report back to us, Mr. Smartass?
And its called bogging down the engine...Which is not something one should want to do...
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Sorry to drag up ancient threads, but does this apply to the series II as well? The part about first gear being incredibly touchy when letting off the gas. Because the last MT I owned was like 6 years ago and I either never encountered speed bumps in a residential neighborhood, aka below 5mph (actually very possible), or first gear in that car wasn't nearly as touchy (2000 or 2001 GS Eclipse). Just curious if my car is behaving normally or if there's a problem that I need to look for. Thanks!
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It's normal.
If you compare two engines with different rotating mass, the one with the lighter rotating mass will be 'touchier' when getting on/off the throttle. There aren't too many cars on the road that have a rotating mass lighter than the RX-8.
The torque multiplier of the gears (even the negative torque from the engine drag when letting off the gas) exaggerates this effect, so 1st will always be more dramatic for any car than 2nd, which is more dramatic than 3rd, etc...
So yes, it's completely normal for the RX-8. Just teaches you better/smoother throttle control
If you compare two engines with different rotating mass, the one with the lighter rotating mass will be 'touchier' when getting on/off the throttle. There aren't too many cars on the road that have a rotating mass lighter than the RX-8.
The torque multiplier of the gears (even the negative torque from the engine drag when letting off the gas) exaggerates this effect, so 1st will always be more dramatic for any car than 2nd, which is more dramatic than 3rd, etc...
So yes, it's completely normal for the RX-8. Just teaches you better/smoother throttle control
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